Random questions

[danzibr]

I just listened to The Fourth Cup by Scott Hahn. I’m trying to learn a lot about the Eucharist and it was amazing. I have several questions, though only the first deals with The Fourth Cup.

1. Is there a protestant version of Scott Hahn? And by that I mean someone who was Catholic then after learning a lot of scripture realized protestantism is the way to go. I don’t believe this is possible but I want to hear what someone like that would have to say.
2. What are some good verses to memorize and which version? I found this older thread but does anyone have anything to add? I used the search function with the word “memorize” and got tooooons of unrelated stuff.
3. More related to the first question, does anyone know of a list of common ways protestants attack Catholicism? I know Matthew 16:18 is a big one, that if you go back to the Greek they say rock and Peter aren’t the same word, but if you look at what it would be in Aramaic they are the same word, but it seems that Jesus was talking about Caesarea Philippi and making a pun or something, that the whole Peter-was-the-first-pope thing comes from is actually Matthew 18:18.

One of the reasons I’m becoming Catholic (currently in RCIA) is because I don’t fear I’ll learn anything which turns me away. At other churches I’ve heard teaching that just seem like a twisting of scripture (the whole Baptist take on “for remission of your sins”), but every single thing I’ve learned about Catholicism just makes me that much more certain of my faith.

Thanks in advance for the answers.

 

[Leon_Bloy]

Have you seen the Brant Pitre book called The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist? It talks about the fourth cup thing.

 

[bzkoss236]

I suggest you get “The Essential Catholic Survival Guide” from the Catholic Answers store (or off amazon). It covers what you are looking for (except for your first question). It is essentially a collection of Catholic Answers tracts on common objections to Catholicism and responses.

 

[DavidFilmer]

someone who was Catholic then after learning a lot of scripture realized protestantism is the way to go.

Protestants go after Catholics with various Bible verses (“call no man father,” etc). So I’m sure some of these protestant converts would say they left the Church because of the Bible.

What are some good verses to memorize and which version?

Of course, Matt 16:18. And John 20:23 (forgiveness of sins). And the middle third of John Chapter 6 (bread of life discourse). Those are the only ones that I know by chapter and verse, but I carry several others around in my head and could look them up pretty quickly if I needed to.

For example, when Mary says, “for behold, from this day forward, all generations will call me blessed.” This prophecy is fulfilled today in the Catholic Church - Mary is practically ignored by the protestants.

The debate about circumcision in Acts is good to remember when discussing a visible and authoritative Church. The letter that was sent to the various cities began, “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us…” The Church is claiming authority to teach in the name of the Holy Spirit.

Of course, the Epistle of James is essential when discussing faith and works. I always remember the verse, “Faith without works is dead,” and I follow by saying, “and you won’t inherit eternal life with a dead faith.”

When the topic of infant Baptism arises, I always recall Peter telling the crowd, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children…”

Apostolic succession is described by Paul’s epistles to both Timothy and Titus. I prefer to use Titus - it is a little more explicit: “For this reason I left you in Crete: that you … ordain elders in every city.”

Oh, and when “call no man father” comes up, I quote Paul telling the Corinthians, “Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.”

BTW, Scott Hahn’s “The Lamb’s Supper” is the most profound book I have ever read. If you enjoyed The Fourth Cup, you will enjoy this book, which goes into great detail.

 

[jmcrae]

I just listened to The Fourth Cup by Scott Hahn. I’m trying to learn a lot about the Eucharist and it was amazing. I have several questions, though only the first deals with The Fourth Cup.

1. Is there a protestant version of Scott Hahn? And by that I mean someone who was Catholic then after learning a lot of scripture realized protestantism is the way to go. I don’t believe this is possible but I want to hear what someone like that would have to say.

Richard Bennett and James White claim to be such. I find their “huckster” style a bit off-putting, myself.

1. What are some good verses to memorize and which version? I found this older thread but does anyone have anything to add? I used the search function with the word “memorize” and got tooooons of unrelated stuff.

Catholic Bibles in English are available in a few different translations - there is the RSV- CE; the NRSV (which has a really nice study edition for teens); the New American Bible (not to be confused with the New American Standard, which is most assuredly not Catholic); the Douay-Rhiems is one of the oldest complete translations in English; it precedes the King James by a few years, and you can see the similarities in language between them.

1. More related to the first question, does anyone know of a list of common ways protestants attack Catholicism? I know Matthew 16:18 is a big one, that if you go back to the Greek they say rock and Peter aren’t the same word, but if you look at what it would be in Aramaic they are the same word, but it seems that Jesus was talking about Caesarea Philippi and making a pun or something, that the whole Peter-was-the-first-pope thing comes from is actually Matthew 18:18.

It varies according to the Protestants in question, of course, but common teachings that are attacked are Mary, the Saints, the Sacraments, particularly the Mass and the Holy Eucharist, as well as Penance, and of course pretty much anything that one finds inside a Catholic Church - even the little votive candles in the Mary corner set some Protestants off on a never-ending rant, if you can imagine it.

One of the reasons I’m becoming Catholic (currently in RCIA) is because I don’t fear I’ll learn anything which turns me away. At other churches I’ve heard teaching that just seem like a twisting of scripture (the whole Baptist take on “for remission of your sins”), but every single thing I’ve learned about Catholicism just makes me that much more certain of my faith.

That’s awesome!

Thanks in advance for the answers.

You’re most welcome. :curtsey:

 

[mab23]

I suggest you get “The Essential Catholic Survival Guide” from the Catholic Answers store (or off amazon). It covers what you are looking for (except for your first question). It is essentially a collection of Catholic Answers tracts on common objections to Catholicism and responses.

This book is amazing

also spending time on here you were learn a lot

find you local Catholic am radio station

and other sources are www.scripturecatholic.com

and one of the members here has a blog -

blackieschurchmilitant-apocalypsis.blogspot.com/

 

[guanophore]

I just listened to The Fourth Cup by Scott Hahn. I’m trying to learn a lot about the Eucharist and it was amazing. I have several questions, though only the first deals with The Fourth Cup.

1. Is there a protestant version of Scott Hahn? And by that I mean someone who was Catholic then after learning a lot of scripture realized protestantism is the way to go. I don’t believe this is possible but I want to hear what someone like that would have to say.

Well, lets see…Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli come to mind…

2) What are some good verses to memorize and which version?  I found [this older thread](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=408713) but does anyone have anything to add?  I used the search function with the word "memorize" and got tooooons of unrelated stuff.

I urge you to meditate on the daily readings for the Mass and allow the HS to make certain verses jump out at you. Personally I like to listen to scripture on MP3. I don’t go for memorizing certain verses. I have a concordance that makes them easy for me to find. The more I read/listen, the more scripture gets implanted in my heart and mind, then when I am in a debate, those verses I need come to mind.

Col 3:16
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly

1. More related to the first question, does anyone know of a list of common ways protestants attack Catholicism? I know Matthew 16:18 is a big one, that if you go back to the Greek they say rock and Peter aren’t the same word, but if you look at what it would be in Aramaic they are the same word, but it seems that Jesus was talking about Caesarea Philippi and making a pun or something, that the whole Peter-was-the-first-pope thing comes from is actually Matthew 18:18.

I think you will easily find the answer to this question here on CAF. You can also find all these common things addressed in the CAF tracts. Another good resource is Karl Keatings book.