Raping non-muslim... Legal in Islam?

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Good question.

I think what Nathan is asking you is how dare Christian Catholic God will act like that (i.e., by shaving the hair between your legs, i.e. genitals and heads and beards etc.) yet remained/called a Loving God?

Probably Nathan seems to be a Protestant or have been reading corrupted KJV Bible or perhaps the Message Bible which says 'the Master (God) will shave the genitals…" which leave his own people shamed and denuded.

I’m not aware Nathann has posted in this thread nor asked me this question.

Secondly, I don’t see what this has to do with the topic which is the Islamic rape of non-Muslims.
JMM:

Bivar, have you read The Message Bible and CEV Bible?

Irrelevant as I’m here not to defend Christianity but to clarify the theological basis of Islam.

 

[JMM159]

I’m not aware Nathann has posted in this thread nor asked me this question.

Secondly, I don’t see what this has to do with the topic which is the Islamic rape of non-Muslims.

Strange, you are not aware of what Nathan posted on this thread yet you were responding to others’ posts. Are you deliberately unaware of it? If not then would you like to discuss the Nathan’s issue of ‘shaving the hair between your legs, genitals, heads, beards by Catholic God’ in a seperate thread then?

Irrelevant as I’m here not to defend Christianity but to clarify the theological basis of Islam.

If you are not here to defend Christianity then what are you infact doing here?

And who are you to clarify the theological basis of Islam? And to who? Are you an expert in Arabic Koranic Muslim language, Hadis and History of Muslims etc?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

JMM:

Rodrigo:

I’m not aware Nathann has posted in this thread nor asked me this question.

Secondly, I don’t see what this has to do with the topic which is the Islamic rape of non-Muslims.

Strange, you are not aware of what Nathan posted on this thread yet you were responding to others’ posts. Are you deliberately unaware of it? If not then would you like to discuss the Nathan’s issue of ‘shaving the hair between your legs, genitals, heads, beards by Catholic God’ in a seperate thread then?

I think I have answered this.

1. Nathann did not post that question in this thread but in another.
2. Nathann’s question has nothing to do with the topic of this thread which is whether Islam allows the rape of non-Muslims.
3. I am not here to defend Christianity - there are Christians here who can do a better job of it than me. I am here as a source of information on Islam and only Islam.

JMM:

Rodrigo:

Irrelevant as I’m here not to defend Christianity but to clarify the theological basis of Islam. [/quuote]
If you are not here to defend Christianity then what are you infact doing here?

See above - this is a discussion forum for “Non-Catholic Religions”. Here we discuss non-Catholic faiths - including Islam.

I am here to discuss Islam.
JMM:

And who are you to clarify the theological basis of Islam? And to who? Are you an expert in Arabic Koranic Muslim language, Hadis and History of Muslims etc?

My history is irrelevant. It is up to you to show if my posts are incorrect and why.

 

[JMM159]

I think I have answered this.

1. Nathann did not post that question in this thread but in another.

.

Well, would you like to take an another look at post # 193 of this thread on page 2?

Nathan did post that question on this thread and I qoute his full post#193 of this thread:

Posted by Nathann

inJESUS,

This post is not for you because you failed to answer.

Rodrigo,

Since this is a Catholic forum and you are hired/invited by Catholics to defend their Catholicism because you are not a Catholic and Catholics are not good enough to defend their faith because Catholicism is irrational and illogical; so here is a question.

In Catholics’ Douay Rheims Bible it says:

Quote:
20 In that day the Lord shall shave with a razor that is hired by them that are beyond the river, by the king of the Assyrians, the head and the hairs of the feet, and the whole beard. --Isaiah 7:20

drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&…h=7&l=20&f=s#x

But same verse in the New American Bible of same Catholic Church now says:

Quote:
20 On that day the LORD shall shave with the razor hired from across the River (with the king of Assyria) the head, and the hair between the legs. It shall also shave off the beard. – Isaiah 7:20 (New American Bible of Catholics)

nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm

My question is does:

the hairs of the feet = the hair between the legs?

If not then from where did the New American Bible of the Catholics got the idea of the hair between the legs?

And why Catholics’ God will shave the hair between the legs of male/female Catholics or even hairs of the feet? Is Catholic God a barber?

And what purpose shaving act serves?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Well I stand corrected, but my response is still the same.

1. I’m not here to defend Christianity but to discuss Islam. So it is pointless to ask me to defend Christianity. There are many Christians here who can do a better job of explaining Christianity than me - why don’t you ask them instead. However, if you do have questions regarding Islam, please feel free to ask.
2. Nathann’s question is still irrelevant to the topic of this thread which is whether or not Islam permits the rape of non-Muslims.

 

[JMM159]

Well I stand corrected, but my response is still the same.

1. I’m not here to defend Christianity but to discuss Islam. So it is pointless to ask me to defend Christianity. There are many Christians here who can do a better job of explaining Christianity than me - why don’t you ask them instead. However, if you do have questions regarding Islam, please feel free to ask.
2. Nathann’s question is still irrelevant to the topic of this thread which is whether or not Islam permits the rape of non-Muslims.

Then would you like to discuss the Nathan’s issue of ‘shaving the hair between your legs, genitals, heads, beards by Catholic God’ in a seperate thread then?

 

[Montalban]

Then would you like to discuss the Nathan’s issue of ‘shaving the hair between your legs, genitals, heads, beards by Catholic God’ in a seperate thread then?

Is this from one of the bits of the Bible you think is corrupted?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

No because I am not here to defend Christianity but to discuss Islam. How many times do I have to say this?

Read carefully…

I… am… not… here… to… defend… Christianity.

Got it?

 

[JMM159]

It appears as if nathann does not know how to copy and paste properly, for if one goes to that link he has pasted to the New American Bible, and if one looks at that passage from Isaiah, one will see there is a footnote, that nathann seems to have lost in his “CTRL C, CTRL V” process.

Here is the passage with footnote from that website he used.

So nathann as you can see after reading that web site that you pasted, the Bible is speaking figuratively, and God is not a barber

But that “figuratively” is not in the ‘inspired’ text of the New American Bible of Catholic Church. Have you read this verse in The Message Bible or CEV Bible?

 

[JMM159]

No because I am not here to defend Christianity but to discuss Islam. How many times do I have to say this?

Read carefully…

I… am… not… here… to… defend… Christianity.

Got it?

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

So you deliberately chose not to defend Catholic Christianity. Why? Are you not a Catholic Christian or don’t you have the guts to defend atleast the issue of ‘shaving the hiar between your legs by the Catholic Christian loving God’?

But you were “defending” the Catholic saints on this thread (on page 2).

Let me ask you this. How do you know your Catholic God will not shave the hair between your legs with an Assyrian razor, when the New American Bible (NAB) is very specific on this issue which clarifies clearly by going a step further from Douay R. Bible (DRV). (FYI, DRV talks about ‘shaving the hairs of the feet’ and leaves people confused because it doesn’t really say how high your feet will be shaved by your God).

Thanks to the New American Bible (NAB) for atleast being very specific on this matter yet so many other issues are still unclarified. Hopefull in the future. Because to clarify issues like ‘hair between the legs’, Catholic Church took more than a 1000 years. In other words when New American Bible (NAB) was published in the 1970’s it was an historic moment for the Cathilics as they learned NEW things of their Catholic Christianity for the first time in the history of Catholicism. Hence the name of this particular Bible, NEW American Bible (NAB)- (Probably)

So you are getting cold feet from defending Catholic Christianity?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

I have always stated that I am not here to defend Christianity but to discuss Islam.

If I choose to reply to some small point on Christianity that even I, as a non-Christian, know of, then it is my prerogative. You have no right to INSIST that I discuss Christianity with you.

You might not know this but I am not a Christian so I am not the best person to discuss Christianity with you. But as I know about Islam (due to living under Islam for many years and having Muslim relatives) I feel I have sufficient knowledge of Islam to communicate and discuss with Muslims.

So I am not having cold feet in discussing Christianity with you, so stop asking. You are merely showing you are just a juvenile disrespectful kid who just won’t take no for an answer.

 

[JMM159]

I have always stated that I am not here to defend Christianity but to discuss Islam.

If I choose to reply to some small point on Christianity that even I, as a non-Christian, know of, then it is my prerogative. You have no right to INSIST that I discuss Christianity with you.

You might not know this but I am not a Christian so I am not the best person to discuss Christianity with you. But as I know about Islam (due to living under Islam for many years and having Muslim relatives) I feel I have sufficient knowledge of Islam to communicate and discuss with Muslims.

So I am not having cold feet in discussing Christianity with you, so stop asking. You are merely showing you are just a juvenile disrespectful kid who just won’t take no for an answer.

So you have a problem ONLY with Islam simply because when you read some out of context reports/excerpts in Muslim religious literature, it was good enough for you to accept them as Words of God to blame a certain person (based on your own interpretation/ideas) as a ‘dirty man’?

But the question is have you ever went through Christians’ vast collections of Bibles and their multi-coloured traditions and then by applying your same “unique” laughable standard/methodolgy found anything “interesting” in them?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Sufi:

Rodrigo:

Please don’t insult our intelligence. A maid is not a slave.

In Islam, a slave is the property of his/her master. A maid is an employee and belongs to nobody else.

In Islam, a slave is available for the sexual pleasure of her master. A maid isn’t.

In Islam, a slave doesn’t eat the same food as her master - where did you get that idea?

In Islam, a slave can be bought and sold at any time. A maid cannot be bought and sold.

In Islam, a slave may buy his/her freedom - but with what money?

In Islam, if a master decides to renege on freeing his/her slave all he/she has to do is a religious penance, say vow to give up meat for a day. And that is sufficient to dishonor any vow to any slave.

In Islam, slaves were/are treated worst than animals but you wouldn’t know that, would you?

I think you are insulting my inteligence. Where did I say that a maid was a slave? Show me this first, then I can answer any other ignorant questions you have.

May I remind you that you wrote this in post #198?

Sufi:

A slave in Islam has rights. Many rights similar to their Masters. If you are West Indian or know any one from the West Indies, they can tell you about a certain people called ‘HELPERS’ a Helper is what we Americans would consider a maid or such, like Florence from The Jeffersons. This is what a slave was like in Islam. Just someone to do the extra duties around the house. They ate the same foods the Masters ate, sleep in the same homes, not discriminated against by their race, they are allowed to marry the same women, allowed to be FULLY freed, if bought by someone etc.

A slave in America was someone who was considered lower than their Master, not allowed to read or educate them selves, Black, Indian or Spanish decent, ate the left overs, ate the worst parts of the meat; the tail, the back, the feet etc.

So please don’t tell us you did not equate slaves in Islam with mere maids.

Secondly, please don’t bring Bilal as any example of how slaves were treated in Islam - you are bringing an exception to prove the general case.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

So you have a problem ONLY with Islam simply because when you read some out of context reports/excerpts in Muslim religious literature, it was good enough for you to accept them as Words of God to blame a certain person (based on your own interpretation/ideas) as a ‘dirty man’?

Out of context? How is this out of context? Can you ‘contextualize’ for us something different from what we already know?

Narrated Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

What possible context can you put to this to change the historical facts?
JMM:

But the question is have you ever went through Christians’ vast collections of Bibles and their multi-coloured traditions and then by applying your same “unique” laughable standard/methodolgy found anything “interesting” in them?

Why would I do that? Jesus Christ never married and had sex with a little girl.

 

[JMM159]

You might not know this but I am not a Christian so I am not the best person to discuss Christianity with you. But as I know about Islam (due to living under Islam for many years and having Muslim relatives) I feel I have sufficient knowledge of Islam to communicate and discuss with Muslims.

You are not a Christian yet you are on a Catholic Christian forum and only bashing Muslims? If you are not a Catholic Christian then what are you then? A Christian who follows David Koresh or Rev. Jim Jones or Jim Bakker or “Prophetess” Ellen G. White or “Prophet” Joseph Smith?

You have “sufficient” knowledge of Islam to communicate and discuss with Muslims on a Catholic Christian forum?

Are you expecting that learned Muslims will come to this Catholic Christian site to discuss Christianity with a non-Christian like you?

Are you not again displying your senselessness by either hiding the real motive or being mindless.

 

[JMM159]

Why would I do that? Jesus Christ never married and had sex with a little girl.

How do you know that Jesus Christ never married and had sex with a little girl?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Because there is no Christian historical records, nor any other historical records, that tell us Jesus married and had sex with a little girl. So I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Note here how I accept Christian history as told by Christian historians despite not believing in Christianity.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

You are not a Christian yet you are on a Catholic Christian forum and only bashing Muslims? If you are not a Catholic Christian then what are you then? A Christian who follows David Koresh or Rev. Jim Jones or Jim Bakker or “Prophetess” Ellen G. White or “Prophet” Joseph Smith?

I am an atheist.
JMM:

You have “sufficient” knowledge of Islam to communicate and discuss with Muslims on a Catholic Christian forum?

Yes as I have also debated against Muslims on Islamist forums.
JMM:

Are you expecting that learned Muslims will come to this Catholic Christian site to discuss Christianity with a non-Christian like you?

No. I am here to dispell the untruths told by Muslims to whitewash their religion.
JMM:

Are you not again displying your senselessness by either hiding the real motive or being mindless.

I have never hidden the real motive of why I am here. From the beginning I have told people who bothered to ask that I am an atheist, with a past association with Islam, who has been invited by Catholic friends to tell them if the Muslims here are telling the truth about their religion.

Please feel free to make additional baseless charges because you don’t like the fact that I am having such success showing the true character of Muhammad, Islam, and Muslims like you by using your own historical/religious sources against you.

 

[JMM159]

Because there is no Christian historical records, nor any other historical records, that tell us Jesus married and had sex with a little girl. So I give him the benefit of the doubt.

lol

How do you know decisively that there is no Christian historical records, nor any other historical records, that tell us Jesus married and had sex with a little girl. Have you gone through the whole Christian religious literature?

And how do you know that what Christians have is infact full/all accounts/historical records of Christian God-Jesus Christ- who was circumcised according to Jewish tradition at the age of 8 days old? Since you are not a Christian, do you know what circumcision means?

Note here how I accept Christian history as told by Christian historians despite not believing in Christianity.

loooool

This is a very classic answer from a person like you but not surprising, though.

loooooooooooool

Do you believe that Jesus was indeed God, because according to Christians’ historical “arguements” he was God for them. Do you also find any “evidence” to such claim in the whole “Christian historical records, or any other historical records”?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

lol

How do you know decisively that there is no Christian historical records, nor any other historical records, that tell us Jesus married and had sex with a little girl. Have you gone through the whole Christian religious literature?

No but that is not common knowledge. If Jesus had married and had sex with a little girl I’m sure the people who hate Christians like yourself would be only too glad to provide the evidence for.
JMM:

And how do you know that what Christians have is infact full/all accounts/historical records of Christian God-Jesus Christ- who was circumcised according to Jewish tradition at the age of 8 days old?

I’m sure if you had any additional records you’d be the first to tell us.

Besides, you are committing the logical fallacy of ‘arguing from absence’. If you have no evidence than you cannot make the claim. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Jesus married and had sex with a little girl? No? I thought not.

Yet you are perfectly happy, despite not being a Christian, to imply that he could have.
JMM:

Since you are not a Christian, do you know what circumcision means?

It’s the Jews who are circumcized, but I’m sure we all know what circumcision means. Perhaps the circumcizer took off too much in your case.
JMM:

loooool

This is a very classic answer from a person like you but not surprising, though.

loooooooooooool

Do you believe that Jesus was indeed God, because according to Christians’ historical “arguements” he was God for them. Do you also find any “evidence” to such claim in the whole “Christian historical records, or any other historical records”?

Jesus being God is a religious belief, not an historical fact. Can you even get the difference between historical facts and religious beliefs? I have shown you the difference so many times already but you keep on making the same mistake.