Raping non-muslim... Legal in Islam?

[exoflare]

Generousity of the West now is not due to the Christianity but anti-Christianity attitude or faithlessness.

So now generousity stems from faithlessness…? More muslim “logic” in action I guess.

 

[nathann]

Thirdly, it is said that about 75% of Muslim converts in America apostate within 5 years, when they come to their senses about the inherent characteristics of the religion.

Thus, the net conversion rate is very small.

Wrong again.

If Muslims have been apostating rapidly then how come there are 2 Billion Muslims worldwide at the present according to your BBC? And why Catholic Church is on constant decline and why Churches are being abandoned by the Christian themselves due to very less or zero church attenders?

BBC Inside Out - Yvonne Ridley
Find out why Ridley has converted to Islam following her ordeal. Hostage to Fortune ISLAM FACT FILE There are two billion Muslims world-wide.
search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=all&edition=d&q=fact+file+on+Islam&go.x=34&go.y=14

bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml

So you just made yourself a fool again.

 

[exoflare]

Wrong again.

If Muslims have been apostating rapidly then how come there are 2 Billion Muslims worldwide at the present according to your BBC?

If you would read his posts instead of being a copy-paste drone this whole time, you would have noticed he answered this already. It’s because of how many children Muslims have, and the fact that they endorse polygamy in their own run-down countries which only compounds the problem. Not to mention the fact that once you’re born a Muslim there is no easy way out of the cult. You’d probably be better off trying to leave the mob.

 

[nathann]

Q: **What do you think attracts Western converts to Islam? **

Father Sidney Griffith: There are many factors involved in the attraction of Islam to religious seekers in the West.

Positively, Islam is a compelling, reasonable, uncompromising monotheism with a biblical flavor. It provides a compelling moral code, which many moderns and postmoderns view as both realistic and honorable. The Koran’s prophetology provides a congenial estimation of what it perceives to be the positive factors in earlier revelations, along with reasons why earlier peoples failed to heed them faithfully.

Islamic history and tradition in various times and places have produced societies with many admirable intellectual and scientific accomplishments. Many Westerners find Islamic mysticism attractive; others see in Islam an effective religious answer to what they view as the ills of the modern Western world.

On the negative side, many Christians who are attracted to Islam lack an adequate understanding of the history and teachings of the Church, and are easily deceived by the many hostile attacks on the Church’s doctrines, practices and historical record.

They are unaware of the Church’s answers to Islam’s critique of Christianity. The shortcomings and moral failures they perceive in Christian communities sometimes dismay them. Often they are unaware of comparable problems in other communities of faith, including the Muslims.

The prevalent materialism and secularism of Western society has in many instances convinced potential converts to Islam that only in Islam can they find an effective antidote to it.

Sometimes potential converts to Islam are overcome in their own efforts faithfully to live the Christian life and, failing to find effective pastoral care from fellow Christians, or failing to follow it, they receive moral guidance and support from pious, observant Muslims.

ZE04072721http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=1189

 

[exoflare]

Okay nathann, fair warning. You’ve already demonstrated everything I said about the reasoning deficiency promoted by Islam all on your very own. There is absolutely zero chance of anyone taking you seriously. So if you decide to continue wasting time here, all I can say is have fun talking to yourself.

 

[THEKING]

wow…digression as usual…we got no answer to rape but hey we got numbers! and look at such or such who converted! now all Christians have to do is post about the Muslims converting to Christianity in Egypt, Morocco, Iran, Africa,Indonesia ecc:tsktsk:

 

[thistle]

Wrong again.

If Muslims have been apostating rapidly then how come there are 2 Billion Muslims worldwide at the present according to your BBC? And why Catholic Church is on constant decline and why Churches are being abandoned by the Christian themselves due to very less or zero church attenders?

So you just made yourself a fool again.

You must be living in another planet. You are the fool.
There are approx 1 billion muslims worldwide (not 2) and there are approx 2 billion Christians of which 1.2 billion are Catholics. The Catholic Church worldwide in fact has increased its numbers. They are not declining.
The rise in muslims in the west, especially Europe IS due to immigration and not conversion, and the fastest growing religion in Africa and Asia is Christianity.
Do your research properly before spouting off.
I don’t know what religion Rodrigo Bivar is but I haven’t seen anything in his posts that makes him an enemy of the Catholic Church and I am Catholic.

 

[ssejllenrad]

I started this thread to understand more what is taught in Isalm before I make erred prejudices. Yes, Islam does not allow rape. But what about forcible sexual intercourse with non-Islamic slaves? I’ve heard answers from my fellow christians but no evidencial answer from any Muslim. Can’t I just get a straight answer from the revised question of JKirkLVNV? If muslims don’t want a biased stand from those who are alien to their faith then I would wish they give a straight answer to answers given to them.

 

[Mr_Jullien]

I started this thread to understand more what is taught in Isalm before I make erred prejudices. Yes, Islam does not allow rape. But what about forcible sexual intercourse with non-Islamic slaves? I’ve heard answers from my fellow christians but no evidencial answer from any Muslim. Can’t I just get a straight answer from the revised question of JKirkLVNV? If muslims don’t want a biased stand from those who are alien to their faith then I would wish they give a straight answer to answers given to them.

My friend,

If you can find an online Koran, I strongly suggest that you read through it.

Refer to post #90 in this thread.

Apologist, Tim Staples, lists too many Chapters and verses regarding slaves and concubines to post, here.
Slaves and concubines are property – They are considred: “spoils of war”; “booty”.
The man/“Master” can do whatever he wishes to them. Including beating them and selling them.
The Koran may not use the word, “rape”, outright, but what else does one do with a slave/concubine?

You may say, “Tim Staples is a Catholic Apologist, therefore he’s biased”. But let me remind you – he’s reading straight from the Koran.
He’s not making up, nor is he twisting, these passages as he goes along.

Good luck in your quest for answers.

PAX,

Jullien

P.S. – This is not directed at you, ssejllenrad (I just didn’t feel like starting a new post), but I wanted to note: I’ve read through this whole thread and found no indication that Rodrigo Bivar is anti-Catholic.

 

[thistle]

Why won’t any Muslim answer JKirk’s question which has been repeated several times in this thread? Are you afraid of the truth?

 

[nathann]

Why won’t any Muslim answer JKirk’s question which has been repeated several times in this thread? Are you afraid of the truth?

You mean “shaving the hair between your legs” and “spreading dung on your face” by your Lord is symbolic and not literally meant?

 

[ssejllenrad]

You mean “shaving the hair between your legs” and “spreading dung on your face” by your Lord is symbolic and not literally meant?

Why are you avoiding the question?

"Does Islam allow for the capture OR forcible captivity OR the exertion of formal or informal coercive power over women or the eslavement of the same, whose marriages are then null by virtue of the capture OR forcible captivity OR the exertion of formal or informal coercive power over those women or by the enslavement of the same, and then allow sexual relations between the captor/keeper/coercer/owner and those female slaves, even if that slave expresses the desire to NOT have sexual relations with her captor/keeper/coercer/owner ?"

A straight answer for a straight question please? Is it that hard to understand?

 

[ronald]

Christian is Christian. I was a Christian. I left for many things. One thing is that I can not grasp the concept of God being equal to me as a human being, and I don’t understand if God is one how came about a Trinity? Also, the first Christians were not worshippers of Jesus, so I can not grasp the concept of modern day Christians. Also none of the men of God and Prophet’s in time said anything about God being three or mentioned that we should worship Jesus, the Prophet to come. Jesus himself told us to worship God. Many other things I can not grasp, but I’ll slow down and shut up, if I don’t then they are going to accuse me of taking this thread off topic.

Take care!

sufi, we will never grasp or understand God unless He come to
us. God can be anything He want to like being a human named Jesus but at the same time still reside in heaven. Allah is Akbar. He can do everything my friend.

 

[thistle]

Does no Muslim have the courage to answer the question which has been asked about 6 times already. Not one repsonse. Are you all afraid of something?

 

[Ella]

I’m not Muslim, but I’ll answer it.

It would appear that it is legal according to the Koran for Muslim men to rape non-Muslim women that they capture in war. It would also appear that it is legal according to the Koran for Muslim men to rape their slave women.

 

[Denise_Shae]

Originally Posted by Sufi

Slaves in Islam is totally different from being a slave say perhaps in the early days of the establishment of America. You would have to understand these two differences first before I could go into details.

I totally agree with you, here Sufi. Since I am not a follower of Islam, it is impossible for me to understand the differences. Hence, my question to you, below:

Hi Sufi,

I don’t know much about Islam, so please don’t think I’m being sarcastic; but would you please define the difference between "Slaves in Islam

" and “being a slave in the early days of the establishment of America”?
(That is; if it’s not straying from the topic)

I’d really appreciate it.

Thanks and Peace

**I asked you a simple, direct and honest question that might help clarify our understanding of Koranic law regarding slaves.

Since we (Christians**) are, for the most part, ignorant of Islam and the teachings of Muhammad and the Koran, I’d really appreciate hearing the truth from a devout, practicing Muslim.

I’m sure you can understand how the fact that my question was completely ignored by the followers of Islam on this Forum, does not exactly set my mind at ease.

As I am not here to condemn you, but only wish to understand your position, an explanation would be very much appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Denise_Shae]

To Catholics/Christians,

I just finished listening to a CD set by Catholic Apologist, Tim Staples, titled: "Islam Exposed: The Crescent in Light of the Cross".

If you want to know what the “prophet” Muhammed taught about Concubines and slaves, Mr. Staples (reading straight from the Koran) gives you Chapters and verses . Pay particular attention to CD #2.

A website called: The Crossraods Initiative, offers the set at the lowest price I’ve seen yet, of $22.95. Believe me, it’s worth every cent.

If you plan to order this CD set, be warned, in advance: It is NOT politically correct.

PAX,

Jullien

Hey Jull,

Pax Vobiscum to you and your family!

When I realized a response to my “slave” question was not in the foreseeable future, I went ahead an ordered “Islam Exposed”.

Ironically, the same day I found this thread, I received an E-mail from Saintjoe.com, advertizing that very CD set.
I suppose the Koran will speak for itself.

God Bless!

 

[kellie]

Also, the first Christians were not worshippers of Jesus, so I can not grasp the concept of modern day Christians.

Ummmmmmm

So there were people on earth called CHRISTians who didn’t worship CHRIST ???

 

[pro_universal]

To get this back on subject, here’s a ruling on rape in Islam:

islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=159&main_cat_id=6

Question: What is the punishment for rape in Islam? What happens to the rape victim?

Answered by Sheikh Sulaymân al-`Îsâ, professor at al-Imâm University in Riyadh

If it is confirmed that a man engaged in sexual intercourse with a woman by threatening to kill her or by using some kind of drug or anesthetic, then his crime will be more serious than that of consentual sex.

The punishment thereto is death by execution. He will not be entitled to any pardon or reprieve whatsoever, regardless of whether he was single or married.

 

[thistle]

To get this back on subject, here’s a ruling on rape in Islam:

islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=159&main_cat_id=6

That does not answer the question below which has now been repeated about 7 times but no Muslim seems able or willing to answer.

Is any Muslim willing to directly answer this question?

**
“Does Islam allow for the capture OR forcible captivity OR the exertion of formal or informal coercive power over women or the eslavement of the same, whose marriages are then null by virtue of the capture OR forcible captivity OR the exertion of formal or informal coercive power over those women or by the enslavement of the same, and then allow sexual relations between the captor/keeper/coercer/owner and those female slaves, even if that slave expresses the desire to NOT have sexual relations with her captor/keeper/coercer/owner ?”**