Rationalizing God

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Hey guys,
Newcomer here. Lately, I’ve been having a lot of doubts about God. I would like to think that I’ve felt his presence before in the past, but for some reason, those experiences seem distant and irrelevant now. I’ve rationalized God, and I’m just drifting further and further from faith and closer to an atheistic theology. I really, really don’t want that to happen. I’ve prayed to the Lord and asked him to strengthen and renew my faith, but I just don’t feel it. I can’t stop thinking about how, in so many ways, God can’t exist in the logical sense. My rationality, over-analyzing, and reasoning are overcoming my faith, and I keep disproving God to myself. Help?
 
Could you please be more specific? What are you struggling with? The existence of God? The Church? Her Teachings? What?
 
Just the existence of God, or at least as the Church perceives it.
 
Read Mark 9:24. I believe. Help my unbelief!

Also, did you know that even Mother Teresa of Calcutta suffered from a crisis of faith? Here is a quote from her:

Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and the emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
— Mother Teresa to the Rev. Michael Van Der Peet, September 1979

Read more: time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1655720,00.html#ixzz2GmtpMHVE

In light of this I submit that Satan’s greatest weapon is that of deceit. It’s easy to disbelieve and hard to believe but then the best things in life are always the most difficult to attain or keep aren’t they? Have faith because He is real and He loves you very much.

Your brother in Christ
 
Everyone has moments of doubt because we are humans trying to rationalize reasoning of love. For why would love suffer or cause suffering because it seems to mis-represent unconditional love. Who but God would accept a challenge of faith, after all he is our Father and we are only learning about love. The unconditional factor has been mis-represented by us because God our Father loves us no matter who we are, even if we challenge his truth.
 
Read about the miracles at Guadalupe, Fatima and Lourdes.
 
When you say you’ve tried to rationalize God, what do you mean by that? Have you listened to debates or lectures? Have you done research and looked at the arguments? Or have you tried figuring out in your head? If we could have come context, that might help with the remedy.
Thanks.
 
augustburnsred said:
Hey guys,
Newcomer here. Lately, I’ve been having a lot of doubts about God. I would like to think that I’ve felt his presence before in the past, but for some reason, those experiences seem distant and irrelevant now. I’ve rationalized God, and I’m just drifting further and further from faith and closer to an atheistic theology. I really, really don’t want that to happen. I’ve prayed to the Lord and asked him to strengthen and renew my faith, but I just don’t feel it. I can’t stop thinking about how, in so many ways, God can’t exist in the logical sense. My rationality, over-analyzing, and reasoning are overcoming my faith, and I keep disproving God to myself. Help?
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Are you struggling with the apparent “paradoxical conjunction”?Are you stuck with the idea that something:a starting point cannot exist outside of time and space?Hard to reason something that transcends the physical laws?Just be a wee-bit more specific mate.
 
Thank you to all, I will make sure to do research on all of these things. And yeah, I guess it would best be summed up by the paradoxical conjunction. I’m having trouble believing in God in the rational sense, I guess one could say.
 
You mention you felt God in the past but not anymore.

I can relate. God gives us graces when He knows we need them. Sometimes He tests our faith to see how sincere it is, and He wants us to go through things sometimes on our own without those graces.

That could be what youre going through now. Ironically, when God feels the farthest thats when you know Hes the closest.
 
I recommend that you switch strategies from what I sometimes consider “scientific” to “engineering.”

A scientists tries to find out the truth, as closely as possible. No matter how obvious (e.g. Newtonian physics) there are still going to be boundaries beyond which anything we believe we know, will be. Necessarily so, or we would never learn anything beyond our original mindset we are “given” as a young person – unfortunately I think most are stuck there, in a worldly mess.

But I digress. Scientists want to find the truth. As an engineer, I don’t need to know the truth; I just need a model. Something that resembles the truth in such a way that I can work with it to accomplish an objective.

The teachings of Jesus work at many levels. I think it’s sad that nearly all the discussions and arguments about the Bible are about the literal meaning, when really the deeper meanings are the ones designed to get into our hearts and transform us.

So the question is, how can Christianity help me become a happier person, full of peace, joy, and love in both good times and bad? Well, one part is believing,.but if that’s what you’re having trouble with, then try some of the procedures. And for golly sake, DO try contemplative prayer and don’t let anybody tell you it’s just for a select few “advanced” people. Interior silence is for anybody, and the CCC recommends this. This is something you can do, which can bring you healing from the Lord, even DURING your times of doubt. Just do it. It isn’t even fake it till you make it – it’s more like fake it until it makes you. That’s what faith is… the " the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen." (Heb 11:1) so basically you work the system, as faith and works go hand in hand it’s like priming a pump. Soon you will have abundance of both. 🙂

And life will be: :heaven:

So work the program. Read the scriptures, and think about what ideas they bring to mind, not just what the words mean – how do they make you feel? What questions do they bring up? When you do this, it’s more like going for a journey with Jesus instead of just studying His written word; it comes alive in your own mind and heart. And at that point, I predict you won’t have any problems about believing.

Alan
 
CrimsonThorn said:
You mention you felt God in the past but not anymore.

I can relate. God gives us graces when He knows we need them. Sometimes He tests our faith to see how sincere it is, and He wants us to go through things sometimes on our own without those graces.

That could be what youre going through now. Ironically, when God feels the farthest thats when you know Hes the closest.
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You cannot really rationalize God, because as Light Consciousness and the Creator of all things, consciousness as God is therefore aware of everything there is to be aware of, why everything is most perfectly balanced.

If you say rational then think about perfect, start looking at Nature and see how perfect it is, how consciousness had to be involved to have everything so perfectly balanced that it supports every minute detail.

This would propose to you that Light as God and consciousness is so acutely aware that only a Creator could possibly have caused such perfect balances to be met.

Grace is merely a purpose of understanding that without the love of God we do not exist as our self, and with it we know his love.
 
Thanks guys. I’m sorry I can’t thank you properly, but reading over this, it revealed so much to me. It’s people like all of you who God works through, and I’m confident in that now. This genuinely helped me. Again, thank you all so much. 🙂
 
[BIBLEDRB]Mark 9:23[/BIBLEDRB]

Pray for an increase in faith.

You could study math and realize that the universe follows an ordering principle–why can the physical laws even make sense or have such beautiful symmetry? I think that such a well-ordered reality had to be designed by a conscious mind.

Finally, study up on the history of the miraculous. God has intervened in human history many times. As The Misfit says in A Good Man is Hard to Find:
“Jesus was the only One that ever raised the dead,” The Misfit continued, “and He shouldn’t have done it. He shown everything off balance. If He did what He said, then it’s nothing for you to do but thow away everything and follow Him, and if He didn’t, then it’s nothing for you to do but enjoy the few minutes you got left the best way you can by killing somebody or burning down his house or doing some other meanness to him. No pleasure but meanness,” he said and his voice had become almost a snarl.
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There is ONLY God. the Light.
How could spirituality and the count of 2012 be involved in a prophetic documentation understood by the ancients of Earth and its life, that caused such discussions to arise in our own consciousness that related to a fear of the End of Life itself?

It could only possibly relate to what is obvious in all humanity…the ability to commune with its natural harmonies, or light wave lengths…the wave lengths that caused us to become a physical and embodied spirit, and the journey of itself into that spirit self, what we all call CONSCIOUSNESS. To some people consciousness naturally describes awareness, and why it is that so many of us can be described as producing psychic fact even before it manifests as a physical outcome.

It is why we have always had a natural understanding as a human being that we came from a higher self, we became incarnated into a physical body and when we leave our life at its death, our conscious state is in that light itself as a return of our consciousness to our higher state.

Why would we have placed such importance on a year such as 2012, a date and a time that had such evil documentation aligned to it, such as the spirits it discussed as an Abomination and what those spirits could cause as an act of evil…why we wrote spiritual literature itself regarding those spirits, spirits discussed in all religious documents?

It is obvious that it had to have involved a change on Earth, a change of our natural spirit, a change of our humanity involving a disaster.

If it were a natural disaster as some have tried to make us believe involving religious belief and astronomical documents, obviously the documentation of this disaster would not have involved the forming of human brotherhoods defending the information of the higher spirit that was also discussing the evil spirits themselves. This was a brotherhood who have made it obvious in their own documents that they murdered purposely alchemists/scientists for a purpose of a holy truth, a holy truth protecting humanity and its light spirit. They murdered occultists who they determined were evil human beings intent on destroying the natural spirit. The natural spirit obviously is the Nature of Earth and this brotherhood were determined to keep it safe.

Therefore 2012 defined an event in time that obviously determined that an End would occur. It seems that this brotherhood was defending humanity as a purpose of spirit allowing us to not only to arrive at 2012 in Time safe and spiritually protected but to understand what that purpose was. This was how the storyline of the Christ was written, discussing our light consciousness.

As the disaster seems to have involved alchemy/science/creation of evil spirits as discussed in the literature by this brotherhood, then obviously as a Time Count it would have stated and End to the Abomination or prophetic outcome that was involved in this Time Count. So as it seems they were protecting us so that we could live past 2012 without Alchemists and Scientists in our community, where the revelations of this brotherhood naturally held a great spiritual purpose for them. We know this because the murder of life is not a spiritually sanctioned act, yet it was done as a spiritual sanction for the purpose of keeping humanity safe from evil.

What could that event have been as an outcome ending in 2012?

If it involved the evil spirit and its creation as an Act of Science/Alchemy, then as a discussion undertaken by Natives as our ancestry documenting time, they could only be trying to warn us that in our pre historical Earth a culture existed and had used Science themselves and destroyed the Nature of Earth and life.

In that destruction it involved the creation of Evil Spirits, Spirits that they placed inside the Earth body because naturally to place a body inside the Earth, the Earth itself HAD TO HAVE BEEN CREATED and it is not discussing the beginning of Creation as we have been taught. That Act itself determined that any person who tried to investigate and reinvent this occurrence as an Act of Evil would be murdered, because it was an act against life itself on Earth. Therefore all astronomical acts and alchemy acts were considered to be occult magic and involved in the creation of the evil spirits themselves.

We know from our own spiritual discussions in literature that an evil spirit is called a devil or some have called it a daevic entity.

We know from our current day spiritual discussions that our humanity is being attacked by a hybrid or alien entity…

We know from our natural spirit evolution, many human beings over time have been attacked by evil or bad spirits, therefore 2012 seemed to have related to an End of this attack.

Why?
How could that involve the ancient spiritual discussions…obviously it could ONLY be discussing Science and what it causes as an Act against the NATURAL LIFE or the NATURAL SPIRIT given to us from our light ancestry who we call God. It could only be counted through a natural function of wave lengths returning in light as the spirit of our life…why it was called the Christ consciousness as a light spirit sound sent back from light to protect Earth life.

Therefore 2012 obviously stated that the end of the daevic entity or devil attack had been quantified as the End of this Time, meaning that the Ancient civilization in Giza caused as a Science of the Stone (Giza Pyramid crystal/Stonehenge) a UFO/alien hybrid evil signal that are currently being photographed “constantly” which obviously HAS NOT ENDED in 2012 as prophecised.

Therefore the Bible is recounting what happened in relation to Gods Law being broken as a Law of LIght and what happened on Earth because of it.
Abba in text related to Fathers Cloak
 
i myself doubted God existence. But then it hit me, God supports science and vice versa. I can show you if you want, contact me 👍
 
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