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Hi, Dave.
An example of a reason why we should tread lightly in this area, without getting too doctrinaire or throwing anathemas too energetically at the likes of non-professional theologians like me or extraordinarily-well-educated commentators like Fr. Brown, is this…
Up above you ceremoniously invoked the magisterial teaching that “SCRIPTURE IS WITHOUT ERROR” and “LET HIM WHO SAYS THAT SCRIPTURE HAS ERRORS BE ANATHEMA.”
Well, good enough. To a certain extent, Scripture has God as its author. Therefore, at least in certain respects, it must be “error-free.” God is error-free. His work must be error-free. That is a very fine and satisfactory truism, right? Why would anyone disagree with it? OF COURSE Scripture is “error-free”! GOD wrote it!
More to the point, our God-inspired Magisterium says that Scripture is error-free. Therefore it must be error-free.
Additionally, the God-inspired Magisterium, by ratifying the Biblical canon, also makes the Biblical canon its own error-free expression of its God-inspired self.
I’m not making fun, here. What I’ve just said amounts to the teaching of our Church about Scripture.
Now, here is why I set all of that out, so deliberately…
The Magisterium has taught on several occasions that Mary was a virgin in partu. Now, you and I know what this means: The Magisterium, in saying this, was not addressing itself to folks who think that Mary had sex with someone. Instead, the Magisterium was addressing itself to those who assert that Jesus’ birth was normal, characterized by the normal breaking of tissues, release of amniotic fluid, release of blood, etc. The Magisterium, by saying that Mary was a virgin in partu, is saying, in effect “There was no flow of blood.”
So, if I posted here, “There was a flow of blood when Jesus was born,” you would respond, “Wrong. The Magisterium has taught that Mary was a virgin in partu – even in the act of giving birth. You are bound by that teaching, since the inspired Magisterium taught that.” And then you can give the chapter and verse of any one of the various Magisterial decrees establishing this dogma.
Problem: The inspired, error-free Bible, ratified by the same inspired Magisterium, seems to squarely disagree with the in partu teaching. The inspired Magisterium says that inspired, error-free Luke 2:22-24 says,
When the days were completed for their purification according to the law of Moses, they took him up to Jerusalem … to offer the sacrifice of “a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons,” in accordance with the dictate in the law of the Lord.
So, the translators of the inspired Magisterium tell us that the inspired, error-free Bible says that the law of the Lord “dictated” that they “offer the sacrifice of ‘a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.’”
So, when does the law of the Lord dictate this?
The answer is the problem that arises when you tell the Fr. Brown’s of the world that they are bad Bible commentators, or this person or that person is “anathema.”
The answer is Leviticus 12:7-8. The answer is that the law dictates that these things be done WHEN THERE IS A “FLOW OF BLOOD,” PRECISELY CONTRARY TO THE IN PARTU DOGMA.
And it isn’t just one, possibly-misunderstood verse. Luke uses exactly the same two Greek terms to describe Mary giving birth that he uses to describe Elizabeth giving birth, *tikto *and gennao.
Tikto is the Greek term describing a woman being in labor. It is the Greek term used to describe the woman giving birth in great pain in Revelation 12…the woman wailing aloud in pain to give birth.
Additionally, Matthew’s Gospel says that Jesus was a “king,” and Wisdom 7:5-6 tells us that “no king has any different origin or birth; but one [same way] is the entry into life for all; and in one same way they leave it.”
Therefore, the appearance is that the inspired Magisterium, which declares that the inspired Bible is error-free, and anathematizes those who say otherwise, disagrees with the Bible on Mary’s in partu virginity.
Where this is the sort of thing confronting Bible commentators, anathema throwers and Raymond Brown critics like yourself should tread very, very, very lightly, with the utmost humility and respect.
An example of a reason why we should tread lightly in this area, without getting too doctrinaire or throwing anathemas too energetically at the likes of non-professional theologians like me or extraordinarily-well-educated commentators like Fr. Brown, is this…
Up above you ceremoniously invoked the magisterial teaching that “SCRIPTURE IS WITHOUT ERROR” and “LET HIM WHO SAYS THAT SCRIPTURE HAS ERRORS BE ANATHEMA.”
Well, good enough. To a certain extent, Scripture has God as its author. Therefore, at least in certain respects, it must be “error-free.” God is error-free. His work must be error-free. That is a very fine and satisfactory truism, right? Why would anyone disagree with it? OF COURSE Scripture is “error-free”! GOD wrote it!
More to the point, our God-inspired Magisterium says that Scripture is error-free. Therefore it must be error-free.
Additionally, the God-inspired Magisterium, by ratifying the Biblical canon, also makes the Biblical canon its own error-free expression of its God-inspired self.
I’m not making fun, here. What I’ve just said amounts to the teaching of our Church about Scripture.
Now, here is why I set all of that out, so deliberately…
The Magisterium has taught on several occasions that Mary was a virgin in partu. Now, you and I know what this means: The Magisterium, in saying this, was not addressing itself to folks who think that Mary had sex with someone. Instead, the Magisterium was addressing itself to those who assert that Jesus’ birth was normal, characterized by the normal breaking of tissues, release of amniotic fluid, release of blood, etc. The Magisterium, by saying that Mary was a virgin in partu, is saying, in effect “There was no flow of blood.”
So, if I posted here, “There was a flow of blood when Jesus was born,” you would respond, “Wrong. The Magisterium has taught that Mary was a virgin in partu – even in the act of giving birth. You are bound by that teaching, since the inspired Magisterium taught that.” And then you can give the chapter and verse of any one of the various Magisterial decrees establishing this dogma.
Problem: The inspired, error-free Bible, ratified by the same inspired Magisterium, seems to squarely disagree with the in partu teaching. The inspired Magisterium says that inspired, error-free Luke 2:22-24 says,
When the days were completed for their purification according to the law of Moses, they took him up to Jerusalem … to offer the sacrifice of “a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons,” in accordance with the dictate in the law of the Lord.
So, the translators of the inspired Magisterium tell us that the inspired, error-free Bible says that the law of the Lord “dictated” that they “offer the sacrifice of ‘a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.’”
So, when does the law of the Lord dictate this?
The answer is the problem that arises when you tell the Fr. Brown’s of the world that they are bad Bible commentators, or this person or that person is “anathema.”
The answer is Leviticus 12:7-8. The answer is that the law dictates that these things be done WHEN THERE IS A “FLOW OF BLOOD,” PRECISELY CONTRARY TO THE IN PARTU DOGMA.
And it isn’t just one, possibly-misunderstood verse. Luke uses exactly the same two Greek terms to describe Mary giving birth that he uses to describe Elizabeth giving birth, *tikto *and gennao.
Tikto is the Greek term describing a woman being in labor. It is the Greek term used to describe the woman giving birth in great pain in Revelation 12…the woman wailing aloud in pain to give birth.
Additionally, Matthew’s Gospel says that Jesus was a “king,” and Wisdom 7:5-6 tells us that “no king has any different origin or birth; but one [same way] is the entry into life for all; and in one same way they leave it.”
Therefore, the appearance is that the inspired Magisterium, which declares that the inspired Bible is error-free, and anathematizes those who say otherwise, disagrees with the Bible on Mary’s in partu virginity.
Where this is the sort of thing confronting Bible commentators, anathema throwers and Raymond Brown critics like yourself should tread very, very, very lightly, with the utmost humility and respect.