RC in an EC parish and having children baptized

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Jen929 said:
LOL why then, do they not just SAY THAT? :confused:
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It is not cut-and-dried, this is what I posted:

“… but the eastern Catholic canons specify the parish of the groom, unless a just cause exists, or the particular laws allow either.”
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Which canon prescribes this?
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CCEO Canon 831
  1. The local hierarch or pastor licitly blesses a marriage:
    (1) after he has established the domicile, quasi-domicile, or month-long residence, or, if it is a case of a transient, actual residence of either party in the place of the marriage;
    (2) if, when these conditions are lacking, he has the permission of the hierarch or pastor of the domicile or quasi-domicile of either of the parties, unless a just cause excuses;
    (3) also, a place exclusively of another Church sui iuris, unless the hierarch who exercises power in that place expressly refuses.
  2. The marriage is to be celebrated before the pastor of the groom, unless either particular law determines otherwise or a just cause excuses.
 
ciero said:
Not always. Either party can declare at the time of the wedding that they are joining the church of the other party…it is noted in the register and that is it…no other “change of rite” needed.
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Incorrect. Only the wife may do so in that manner and under those cirrcumstances (because, since the male’s Church is controlling to the Church of enrollment of the later born children, allowing an automatic change on his part could negatively effect the minority - Easten - Church in the long run, which is contrary to long-standing policy on the part of the Catholic Communion - [irony]despite all the other negative effects that have been allowed - [/irony)

Canon 33 CEO

A wife is at liberty to transfer to the Church of the husband at the celebration of or during the marriage; when the marriage has ended, she can freely return to the original Church sui iuris.

There is no parallel provision for the male. However, as a practical matter, one should expect that a petition to transfer in such circumstances will not be opposed by either hierarch.
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It might just be my lack of sleep, but it looks like the issue of the wedding and the issue of church ascription are being intermixed. There are many different issues being discussed here. I’m not positive about these answers which are off the cuff, so I welcome corrections. With that caveat, here are some beginning thoughts.

**What building may/must the wedding be in? **
Roman Catholics may receive a dispensation to have the wedding outside of a church building, but the Eastern Catholic must have it inside a church building. Either church is acceptable, independent of which rite the ceremony is done in.

Which rite may/must the wedding ritual use?
The Eastern groom must have it in his church according to his rite unless there is an approved reason not to while all others may have it in either church and using either rite. I don’t know how the east handles women marrying Christian non-Catholics, but suspect she would have to have it in her church.

Who may/must preside at the wedding?
The Roman Catholic may have a deacon or a priest preside and may receive a dispensation to have a non-Catholic preside. The Eastern Catholic must have a priest preside. Either the Roman Catholic or the Eastern Catholic priest may preside. The priest presiding must have faculties to use the rite the wedding is in. A co-presider does not have to have faculties in the rite being used and would dress according to the rite he has faculties in.

I am unfamiliar with how the East handles a Catholic/Orthodox marriage, but suspect either church would be acceptable with strong preference given to the Orthodox church unless circumstances between the couple suggested against it. This is because many Orthodox churches wouldn’t recognize the wedding if done in the Catholic church while both would recognize one in the Orthodox church.

What preparation and pre-requisites are required of each spouse?
A Roman Catholic may receive a dispensation to marry a non-Catholic or a non-Christian, but I don’t think an Eastern Catholic is able to marry a non-Christian in the church.

What is an option available, but not required?
If the wedding is held in the Roman church, the couple may choose between a nuptial ceremony or a nuptial ceremony in a Mass. Some Eastern Churches also offer an option to have the wedding with or without a Liturgy. Cultural customs like laying flowers in front of a statue of Mary are allowed in the Roman Church and the Eastern Catholic may participate in these approved customs if they are married in the Roman Church. The option of two priests co-presiding is also a choice. The Roman Catholic may have a non-Catholic co-presider, but I don’t think that is an option if the ceremony is done in the Eastern rite.

It occurs to me that it might be possible to do the rite of engagement in the eastern tradition and the marriage in the western tradition, but I don’t know.

What is an option for one person, but not for the other?
The Eastern groom must have it in his church according to his rite unless there is an approved reason not to while all others may have it in either church and either rite. The East has a custom that a godparent/sponsor may not marry a godchild which must be discussed if one of them sponsored or intends to sponsor the other in converting to Catholicism.

May/must either spouse change church ascription with the wedding?
Neither bride nor groom must change to the church of the other. If one wants to change churches, either may do so at the time of the wedding.

May/must either spouse attend church regularly with the other during the marriage?
It is in the best interest of the couple and the family that they attend church together, but it is not a requirement. The couple may maintain their separate ascriptions while attending the same church together, even indefinitely.

May/must either spouse change church ascription during the marriage?
Neither husband nor wife must change to the church of the other. The Eastern husband would require a formal change of church enrollment to change his ascription after the wedding. I don’t know about the Roman husband. The Eastern wife may change her church ascription in front of her priest and two witnesses at any time during the marriage on account of being married to a Catholic of another church. She would not need a formal change. I don’t know about the Roman wife.

Do the choices made in the above affect the church ascription of children brought into the marriage?
If one parent changes before the baptism of the children, the children follow the church both parents are in at the time of baptism. If one parent changes after children are baptized, the children 13 and younger change to the church of both parents but may choose to return to the other church after they turn 14. If one parent changes to the church of the other after baptized children are 14 or older, the children do not change churches with the parent.
 
Diakonia said:
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There is no parallel provision for the male. However, as a practical matter, one should expect that a petition to transfer in such circumstances will not be opposed by either hierarch.
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Inter-Ecclesial Relations Between Eastern and Latin Catholics relates that this is more frequently approved by the CEC in the diaspora (but beteen eastern churches and especially eastern to Latin is rare in the eastern regions).
 
Although we were technically still Roman - both of my infant sons were “initiated” into the Catholic Church via Melkite priests (two different). We were long standing ‘members’ of the Melkite parish community - and, of course, my sons were still considered Roman. No permissions were sought, because - as I have been told repeatedly ‘we are all Catholics.’ The parish register did note that my children were of the Roman Church. The boys were given all three sacraments. Since as infants they had had their first communion, when they attended their grandparent’s Roman parishes - the boys were brought up for communion. We had warned/informed the priest that, although still infants, they should be given communion.

A Catholic does not need permission to recieve a sacrament in a Catholic Church !
 
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