RCIA - Initial Questions

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Greeting to everyone.

This is my first post after a few months of interested readings in the various topics and discussions which I find to be very informative, friendly and respectful. I thought initially I would post a few questions that came up in my first weeks of RCIA. Of course I am also asking or discussing these questions directly in my parish but for a start on this forum I thought I’ll try to collect some thoughts too.

As brief as possible about me:

I am unbaptized (Mother Catholic, Father Protestant) and in my 40s. Recently got married in a legal ceremony to a wonderful woman who was baptized in a Presbyterian church and who was raised as a non denominational Christian praying and reading scripture daily. I am also an immigrant to the US from Germany and she is American. The thought of joining the Catholic faith has been with me for a very long time and ultimately my wife’s example of faithful devotion and prayer gave me the final push to finally try become ‘a late afternoon worker in the vineyard’ and go through the RCIA process. i found a parish and we are a small group visiting every Sunday after Mass.

Here is my questions:

I.
I was told that the earliest Rites of Initiation sacrament of Baptism, Confirmation and first Eucharist would be Easter 2019. Now I am receiving conflicting information about this. I read of stories where the conversion process took 9 months starting in September and ending Easter the year after. Is this completely at leisure of the RCIA instructors or the local priest? I don’t want to start out this process by asking for accelerating the process but this question can be quite important with the next question.

II.
My wife and I were planning to get married in a religious ceremony way before my decision to finally start the conversion process. My wife is fully supportive if not to say through the moon that I am doing RCIA and has attended Mass with me every Sunday and will continue to do so. As I am currently unbaptized and as a family member of hers who is an ordained minister can and agreed to marry us in the eyes of God I am a little bit concerned about not being baptized in 2018 when we exchange our vows. Would the Catholic Church at a later point covalidate this marriage as they do with two baptized Christians of a different denomination or would my being unbaptized (while still being in a catholic conversion process) cause major problems here?

III. I am getting conflicting information about the Holy Water when entering Church. As an unbaptized person can I bless myself with the water? There are people who basically say: “Sure! It’s good for everyone” and then there is those who point to me even carrying original sin with me and that they would advise against it.
 
Wait to get the marriage blessed.
You can use holy water when you make the sign of the cross.
Many RCIA programs are 2 years long, and in my opinion are far BETTER when they follow this plan. You can go to another parish and find on that follows the school year model, but really, what is more important? Getting it done quicker, or learning more? That’s for you to decide.
Welcome home.
 
Don’t believe you can be considered married in catholic church if you are not baptized. Not totally sure though.
 
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  1. Length of RCIA process varies from parish to parish.
  2. you may seek con validation after you are recieved into the church.
  3. I dont see why not but dont quote me…
 
Thank you for the clear and frank answer. For me conversion is not a process that ends with Confirmation and first Eucharist, it is life long commitment. I am pleased that the Catholic Church is not treating late conversion as a sign up today join tomorrow process. I also see volunteers of recent converts joining every Sunday at RCIA for the inquirers like me. I intend to do the same after my RCIA is complete. I would not consider changing a parish just to accelerate a process as in get a better deal as I would consider that undignified.

About the marriage yes that is a problem as we definitely don’t want to wait into 2019. I will speak to the priest about this in a few more weeks maybe after rite of dismissal. Again there is a reluctance to start this process with all the legalese I mentioned but unfortunately it also seems to be important.
 
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Thank you.

With regards to 2. I understand your answer that the fact that I would be unbaptized during my 2018 marriage ceremony is not knock-out criterium per se.
 
Sounds like a plan. God bless you both on the journey. ✝️
 
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Welcome!

You can ask your pastor why you would need to wait until 2019 for baptism.

The Catholic Church already recognizes your civil marriage as valid. It will become Sacramental once you both are baptized. Whether you should have (another) Protestant marriage ceremony is something to discuss with your pastor.

I am 99% sure that you can bless yourself with holy water. Even though you are not yet baptized, you are a student of the Christian Faith, a special person in the eyes of Christ.
 
I.

I was told that the earliest Rites of Initiation sacrament of Baptism, Confirmation and first Eucharist would be Easter 2019. Now I am receiving conflicting information about this. I read of stories where the conversion process took 9 months starting in September and ending Easter the year after. Is this completely at leisure of the RCIA instructors or the local priest? I don’t want to start out this process by asking for accelerating the process but this question can be quite important with the next question.
You need to speak with your pastor and/or RCIA director. The actual rite says that the unbaptized should go through a catechumenate period of at least one full liturgical year. By that calendar you are correct in thinking that Easter of 2019 would be the earliest you could be baptized. However, many parishes ignore this requirement and have a catechumenate of only a few months. By that calendar you might be baptized at Easter of 2018.
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My wife and I were planning to get married in a religious ceremony way before my decision to finally start the conversion process. My wife is fully supportive if not to say through the moon that I am doing RCIA and has attended Mass with me every Sunday and will continue to do so. As I am currently unbaptized and as a family member of hers who is an ordained minister can and agreed to marry us in the eyes of God I am a little bit concerned about not being baptized in 2018 when we exchange our vows. Would the Catholic Church at a later point covalidate this marriage as they do with two baptized Christians of a different denomination or would my being unbaptized (while still being in a catholic conversion process) cause major problems here?
Once you go through the Rite of Acceptance – the very first of the rites of RCIA – you become a catechumen. Catechumens can be married in the Catholic Church. If you seriously want to be married outside the Church you will need to talk with your pastor about a dispensation.

Assuming that you are either married in the Catholic Church or receive the appropriate permissions, you would not need to convalidate your marriage because it will already be valid. At the point where both parties are baptized it will also become sacramental.
III. I am getting conflicting information about the Holy Water when entering Church. As an unbaptized person can I bless myself with the water? There are people who basically say: “Sure! It’s good for everyone” and then there is those who point to me even carrying original sin with me and that they would advise against it.
Bless yourself! For those who are baptized, it is a reminder of their baptisms. For those who are preparing for baptism, it’s a taste of what is to come.
 
Don’t believe you can be considered married in catholic church if you are not baptized. Not totally sure though.
The Catholic Church recognizes marriages among both the baptized and the unbaptized. A valid marriage involving two baptized persons is a sacramental marriage. A valid marriage where one or both parties are unbaptized is a natural marriage. If at some later time the unbaptized person is baptized, the marriage automatically becomes sacramental.
 
Definitely bless yourself with holy water and remember the mystery of the Trinity and that Jesus died for you. 😄 It is a sacramental, not a sacrament, so is open to you.

Some parishes will do a 2 year process for the unbaptized (catechumens), but others do a shorter form. This simply varies by parish and various needs of people. Take the time you need for your lifelong process.

As SuscipeMeDomine said, a natural marriage between two people will automatically become sacramental when both persons end up baptized. No additional steps needed. So, unless there is something that prevents a natural marriage, you’d automatically have a sacramental marriage.
 
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As I am currently unbaptized and as a family member of hers who is an ordained minister can and agreed to marry us in the eyes of God I am a little bit concerned about not being baptized in 2018 when we exchange our vows.
Just to add to what has been said in Catholic theology the bride and groom confect (make) the sacrament by exchanging vows. The priest just stands as a witness to the vows. Though it is currently against canon law it would otherwise be possible for two people to marry with no priest or witness. So you marry in the eyes of God just by exchanging vows. This would be true for non Catholics as well.

All that said, I got married as a Protestant. I would only have gotten married in a church with a minister officiating. I would see in the eyes of God as being asking for God’s blessings which anyone could pray for and of course both spouses should always and continuously pray for.
 
The lord will test you. Roadblocks will be placed before you. I love Tobit 12:13 from Latin Vulgate-based versions:
“Because you were found acceptable to God, it was necessary that temptation (testing) should prove you.”
Read the entire verse, but focus on the fist half and ponder that. Those who are tested are greatly blessed.

And, for a little encouragement, here is the story of Leslie Duperon, who struggled a bit to enter the Church. I find it good also to remember that the true Church is hard to join and easy to leave. Many others are easy to join, but hard to leave.
 
Hi. welcome back to CAF!

I co-taught RCIA for 3 years before I retired

The NORM for RCIA is Back to school, through Easter [about 9 months]; but that is OPEN to the Bishopric’s and Pastor who have great flexibility in the matter of the required TIME & the RCIA content What I CAN tell you is the RCIA program introduces one to the Catholic Faith, but cannot, due to its time limitations, teach on ALL that one really ought to know to be an Informed and fully practicing RC., so their is RECOMMENDED a period of mystogia [intense study of the Faith AFTER being brought into the Church]

You will “enter” into “full communion” when you complete the prescribed RCIA course for your parish; which, in most cases would be in 2018. TALK to your RCIA Team in private about this.
  1. DO NOT get married without PRIOR consultation with your PASTOR… There is much you still need to know
  2. Holy water is termed a “sacramental”… something that CAN lead one closer to God, and by ALL means take advantage of this grace. …to do so is not in anyway detrimental to you
PRAY very much and PLEASE take my advice with urgency

God Bless you
Patrick
 
Thank you for the kind advice. The topic of marriage will definitely be discussed with the Pastor in due course as well as the timeframe for RCIA. I feel safe in God’s hands on this. I also am motivated to put in the maximum effort that my life allows for. I heard now multiple times that conversion is a life long process and I am in full agreement with that notion.
I also started using the holy water and it fills me with joy to do so.
 
PRAY Much my friend and be SURE to see your pastor BEFORE you get get married; you’ll be glad that you did
God Bless you both
Patrick
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Thank you for the kind advice. The topic of marriage will definitely be discussed with the Pastor in due course as well as the timeframe for RCIA. I feel safe in God’s hands on this. I also am motivated to put in the maximum effort that my life allows for. I heard now multiple times that conversion is a life long process and I am in full agreement with that notion.
I also started using the holy water and it fills me with joy to do so.

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