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I just returned from RCIA and I thought that I would talk a little about my thoughts and impressions considering that this is an RCIA thread about our journey forward in the Catholic Faith. Our RCIA Class is taught so far by two of our Priests.
They have started from the beginning of the Catechism and are basically working though it. Not just literally mind you, but also elaborating on what it means on another level. BTW I was impressed tonight with Father’s deep personal love and faith in what he was teaching, also using one of Jesus’ parables to provide an example of what he was covering. This Summer in preparation for RCIA, I completed reading the CCC, learned the prayers from a book with a general outline of the CC, completed several books by Scott Hahn and Christopher West , have set up my own discipline of prayer everyday to use what I am learning and am trying to proceed further on my own. I have already noticed that the more I learn and discover, the more there is to learn and discover! It is daunting and challenging. In the 2 hours per week that we spend on the CCC there is no way that we can go into any depth or lengthy discussion about what we are learning just because of the sheer amount that our dear Priests have to cover. My worry is that it will get so deep that in a few months I will look like a “deer in the headlights”!
On another subject, I am intrigued with St. Paul and would like to read more about him. Does anyone know of a great book on St. Paul and his teachings? Is anyone else experiencing something similar in their Classes? Thoughts?
I’m glad to hear that it is going so well! There will be a few weeks here and there where there is more reading to be done and more to cover but it won’t be too bad. The fact that you have already read the CCC will help greatly.

I haven’t read anything on St.Paul specifically (I figure since he wrote half of the New Testament, that was good enough for me! ;)). However, I did seek his intercession when I went to make my first confession. His letters helped me greatly then, and they continue to do so.
 
So, I have heard TWICE now as reasons for not joining the Catholic church: well they molest children. Do people REALLY believe that church doctrine encouraged priests to molest children??? Do Catholic priests hold the monopoly on molesting children? Of course not! People of all faiths, creeds, colors, etc so despicable things. What in the world does that have to do with the Catholic church?

I know I need to stop getting into “discussions” (ok arguments) with people about the Catholic church. . .but I just can’t help it. I feel on fire to learn more about Christian history and the more I learn the more I want to share. :rolleyes:

Please pray that I develop the spirit of silence :eek: and not engage people who I know don’t agree with my decision. 😃
 
I also want to share something personal: today, for the first time, I think, I had the feeling like I LOVED Jesus–like falling in love with the Lord. I can’t quite explain it and maybe it’s not coming out right, but I just felt full of love for Him.
 
I also want to share something personal: today, for the first time, I think, I had the feeling like I LOVED Jesus–like falling in love with the Lord. I can’t quite explain it and maybe it’s not coming out right, but I just felt full of love for Him.
Nice, isn’t it? 🙂
 
I also want to share something personal: today, for the first time, I think, I had the feeling like I LOVED Jesus–like falling in love with the Lord. I can’t quite explain it and maybe it’s not coming out right, but I just felt full of love for Him.
That is always the core and bottom line to it all. Even when you get into discussions/debates/arguments whatever.

It about Our Lord and our striving to be a disciple of His. 🙂

Remember that when ever you feel things are pulling you off of that foundation.

It’s about Our Lord, and our wanting to be authentic disciples. 👍

God bless and I will pray for you.
 
So, I have heard TWICE now as reasons for not joining the Catholic church: well they molest children. Do people REALLY believe that church doctrine encouraged priests to molest children??? Do Catholic priests hold the monopoly on molesting children? Of course not! People of all faiths, creeds, colors, etc so despicable things. What in the world does that have to do with the Catholic church?

I know I need to stop getting into “discussions” (ok arguments) with people about the Catholic church. . .but I just can’t help it. I feel on fire to learn more about Christian history and the more I learn the more I want to share. :rolleyes:

Please pray that I develop the spirit of silence :eek: and not engage people who I know don’t agree with my decision. 😃
It can be tough some times. I have experienced that to some degree myself and so has my wife since we started RCIA this time last year. There are some very good data out there regarding the rates of abuse among priests as compared to family members, teachers, etc. that you can use in an apologetic manner if you are armed with the data beforehand.

This blog post, by Archbishop Timothy Dolan has some good information you can use and I think approaches things in the proper spirit of charity and love. I found it useful and comforting. I hope you do as well. God Bless!

blog.archny.org/?p=1127
 
It can be tough some times. I have experienced that to some degree myself and so has my wife since we started RCIA this time last year. There are some very good data out there regarding the rates of abuse among priests as compared to family members, teachers, etc. that you can use in an apologetic manner if you are armed with the data beforehand.

This blog post, by Archbishop Timothy Dolan has some good information you can use and I think approaches things in the proper spirit of charity and love. I found it useful and comforting. I hope you do as well. God Bless!

blog.archny.org/?p=1127
Thank you for that resource. I’m SO frustrated with my mother. And disappointed. She’s showing me such an ugly, small-minded, “I know enough to get me into Heaven” side that I’m horrified by.
That is always the core and bottom line to it all. Even when you get into discussions/debates/arguments whatever.

It about Our Lord and our striving to be a disciple of His. 🙂

Remember that when ever you feel things are pulling you off of that foundation.

It’s about Our Lord, and our wanting to be authentic disciples. 👍

God bless and I will pray for you.
Thank you for this reminder. 🙂
 
Thank you for that resource. I’m SO frustrated with my mother. And disappointed. She’s showing me such an ugly, small-minded, “I know enough to get me into Heaven” side that I’m horrified by.

Thank you for this reminder. 🙂
Sometimes the only thing you can do is pray. :gopray2:
 
So, for the people like me who took RCIA to become Catholic, why didn’t you choose Orthodoxy? This morning, I was looking at Church history and at the point of the schism, what makes one better than the other? This whole process is so exhausting! I’m trying to figure out what I should be but there are so many possible routes, which I don’t believe is what our Lord intended. 😦 If someone can point me to a thread or reference, I would appreciate it.
 
So, for the people like me who took RCIA to become Catholic, why didn’t you choose Orthodoxy? This morning, I was looking at Church history and at the point of the schism, what makes one better than the other? This whole process is so exhausting! I’m trying to figure out what I should be but there are so many possible routes, which I don’t believe is what our Lord intended. 😦 If someone can point me to a thread or reference, I would appreciate it.
The simple answer is that I did a good deal of research and reading prior to my decision and prayed about the decision a great deal as well. That did not all occur before I started RCIA. Much of this study and discernment occurred during the RCIA process. My studies and prayer eventually led me to the belief that the Catholic Church is the Church established by our Blessed Lord and that Saint Peter was the person He chose to shepherd His people.

Take a look at the Nicene creed. Go through it line by line. Do you believe each line and accept it as the truth? If so, move on. If not, you need more study, contemplation, and prayer before you are ready to commit. If you are not at the point where you do not agree or accept everything that is in the Creed, then by all means, continue with RCIA. You are not at the point where you have to make a decision yet and will not be for several months. Keep learning, keep praying, and keep thinking.

There are a ton of good resources outlining why the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ established. Some CD’s you should absolutely check out are:

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/why-do-we-have-a-pope

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/the-lamb-s-supper

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/finding-the-fullness-of-faith

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/why-i-am-catholic-when-i-could-be-anything-else

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/which-came-first-the-bible-or-the-church

They are only three dollars a piece and are pretty short. However, they do a fantastic job of discussing the situation you are referring to. I listened to Finding the Fullness of Faith and several others during RCIA with my wife and they did a great job of helping us understand the Church’s stance on things and greatly cleared up any questions I had in reference to the Papacy, etc.

Many parishes have a Lighthouse Catholic Media display in their gathering area. Your’s may as well. However, they might not have those particular CD’s. If not, I would absolutely order them if I were you.

God Bless,

Jason
 
So, for the people like me who took RCIA to become Catholic, why didn’t you choose Orthodoxy? This morning, I was looking at Church history and at the point of the schism, what makes one better than the other? This whole process is so exhausting! I’m trying to figure out what I should be but there are so many possible routes, which I don’t believe is what our Lord intended. 😦 If someone can point me to a thread or reference, I would appreciate it.
Hello :).

Orthodoxy and Catholicism are very similar in many, many ways. They are the two true branches of the original Church that Christ founded.

For me, the unity of the Catholic Church is what led me to it over the Orthodox Church. I believe that Christ intended there to be one unified Church with an authoritative structure binding it all together. Our Orthodox brethren do have this, yes, but in a lesser degree than we do in the Catholic Church (where we are all firmly bound together in unity through the successor of Peter, the Pope).

I certainly don’t mean to disparage our Orthodox brethren with this. The Orthodox (and Eastern Catholic) Churches have so many beautiful traditions and practices. I long for the day where we can all be joined back together in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

The most important thing though: the Orthodox are part of the true Church, just like the Catholic Church. Our similarities are much bigger than our differences. If you end up as part of either, you will have access to all of the Sacraments, a true Priesthood, and true Apostolic Succession. I believe that the Catholic Church is the ‘right’ one based on my own study and research, but I would be hard-pressed to criticize somebody for coming to the same conclusion about the Orthodox since their faith is so very close to ours.

God bless!
 
The simple answer is that I did a good deal of research and reading prior to my decision and prayed about the decision a great deal as well. That did not all occur before I started RCIA. Much of this study and discernment occurred during the RCIA process. My studies and prayer eventually led me to the belief that the Catholic Church is the Church established by our Blessed Lord and that Saint Peter was the person He chose to shepherd His people.

Take a look at the Nicene creed. Go through it line by line. Do you believe each line and accept it as the truth? If so, move on. If not, you need more study, contemplation, and prayer before you are ready to commit. If you are not at the point where you do not agree or accept everything that is in the Creed, then by all means, continue with RCIA. You are not at the point where you have to make a decision yet and will not be for several months. Keep learning, keep praying, and keep thinking.

There are a ton of good resources outlining why the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ established. Some CD’s you should absolutely check out are:

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/why-do-we-have-a-pope

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/the-lamb-s-supper

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/finding-the-fullness-of-faith

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/why-i-am-catholic-when-i-could-be-anything-else

AND

lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/which-came-first-the-bible-or-the-church

They are only three dollars a piece and are pretty short. However, they do a fantastic job of discussing the situation you are referring to. I listened to Finding the Fullness of Faith and several others during RCIA with my wife and they did a great job of helping us understand the Church’s stance on things and greatly cleared up any questions I had in reference to the Papacy, etc.

Many parishes have a Lighthouse Catholic Media display in their gathering area. Your’s may as well. However, they might not have those particular CD’s. If not, I would absolutely order them if I were you.

God Bless,

Jason
Thank you for the references Jason. I do believe every word of the Nicene Creed. I guess I’m feeling pressure because our first rite (the rite of acceptance) is coming up. I don’tt see myself going through that at Mass and then backing out later. I guess it depends on what exactly happens at this rite and what words (vows?) we say.

Anyway, I will keep researching and praying.
 
Thank you for the references Jason. I do believe every word of the Nicene Creed. I guess I’m feeling pressure because our first rite (the rite of acceptance) is coming up. I don’tt see myself going through that at Mass and then backing out later. I guess it depends on what exactly happens at this rite and what words (vows?) we say.

Anyway, I will keep researching and praying.
There are no vows or professions made at the Rite of Acceptance (are you sure this is the first one? I thought it was the Rite of Welcoming.🤷). Either way, you are not on the hook for anything at this point. Basically until you get close to Lent, you aren’t committed to anything at all.

Take your time and focus on the learning, prayer, and contemplation. Also, focus on the fellowship you are developing with those who are going through the process with you. Talk to them. Some of them are likely experiencing the same concerns and doubts that you are. I can tell you for sure that at this time last year my wife and I were both in the same boat as you. I was still looking around at other religions and my wife was annoyed that, as a baptized Catholic who received first communion, she had to go through RCIA at all. Now we both feel that RCIA was an incredible and amazing process that we would not trade for anything.

Keep studying, keep praying, and keep listening to God. The rest will come to you. I know people who went through RCIA two and three times because when they got into Lent and it came time to commit, they were not ready. That may be you. If not great, but if so, that is great as well. God works on His time table, not ours. One thing you want to be absolutely sure of is that if and when you stand up in front of the parish at the Easter Vigil and profess your faith, that you truly believe every last part of it.

Get those CD’s, I think you will be surprised at how much your learn and how much they will help.

Take care,
 
I just wanted to give a little up date on my situation. I talked to my dad (a southern baptist pastor) for about a hour and a half about me wanting to join the Catholic Church. His biggest reason against it was Mary. I cleared up a lot of confusion about her. Then we talked about the Bible for the rest of the time. I told him we worship the same Jesus as he does just in the historic way with the fullness of Christianity instead of the relatively new baptist way. To my surprise he said he still loved me and respected my decision. Talk about a burden off my chest! i would like to ask if its all really about Jesus, why do Catholic put so much attention on Mary? My father kept saying that is all about Jesus, why do you need someone to talk to God for you when you can do it yourself. What is the advantage to talking to other saints instead of just doing it yourself? Thanks for the support, I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s comments.
 
I just wanted to give a little up date on my situation. I talked to my dad (a southern baptist pastor) for about a hour and a half about me wanting to join the Catholic Church. His biggest reason against it was Mary. I cleared up a lot of confusion about her. Then we talked about the Bible for the rest of the time. I told him we worship the same Jesus as he does just in the historic way with the fullness of Christianity instead of the relatively new baptist way. To my surprise he said he still loved me and respected my decision. Talk about a burden off my chest! i would like to ask if its all really about Jesus, why do Catholic put so much attention on Mary? My father kept saying that is all about Jesus, why do you need someone to talk to God for you when you can do it yourself. What is the advantage to talking to other saints instead of just doing it yourself? Thanks for the support, I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s comments.
Mary is a sticking point for almost all persons coming into the Faith from another Christian group. There are a number of great threads on Mary and her role on this forum and while I am far from an expert on Marian doctrine I will try to give you some of the fruits of my study and thought on the matter.

First of all, I am of the opinion that there are some that take devotion to her too far. There are, unfortunately Catholics who you never hear the word “Jesus” come out of their mouth unless the words “blessed is the fruit of thy womb” come before it. I have looked into this and I have had a number of priests, one deacon, one religious sister, multiple catechists, and even a Dominican Friar tell me that they agree with me. For new Catholics or those coming to terms with Saints, particularly Mary, I think the best way to treat her is as a great saint who did God’s will and because of her saying yes to God, allowed Jesus to be both true God, and true man. In order to be a worthy vessel to carry and raise our Blessed Lord, she was given the gift of being born without sin by God the Father.

I see her role in our spiritual lives as a leading us to her Son. The Rosary is a great example of this. When I was coming into the Church, I thought the Rosary was a set of prayers to Mary. It isn’t really. It is a meditation on Jesus Christ through the various mysteries that are discussed in the Rosary. You may be saying Hail Marys, but you are supposed to be contemplating things having to do with Christ, e.g. His Passion, Resurrection, etc.

Ironically, some of the best writing on Mary and her role in our Faith I have found comes from an Orthodox website. There are tons of Catholic resources but I like the way this website breaks down the info. Don’t worry about it being an Orthodox website. This is fine as we believe everything they do on Mary. They believe everything we do on Mary with the exception of the Immaculate Conception. Check this link out and it might help you:

orthodox-apologetics.blogspot.com/2010/07/mary-according-to-bible.html

In the Jewish tradition, if you look at the customs in the Davidic kingdom there was the concept of the Queen Mother. The Queen Mother did not have supreme power, her son was King and he was the supreme ruler. However, tradition and custom dictated that if the Queen Mother were to make a request of her son, he would not refuse her. Those who wished to garner special favors from the King often went through her to make their requests. We see the relationship between Mary and Jesus Christ in similar fashion. He is after all in the line of King David and the rightful heir to the his throne. Catholics believe that if Mary prays for us to her son, he will not refuse her wishes. Thus, she serves as a powerful advocate for us.

Finally, remember that you are not in anyway required to pray to the saints or ask for their intercession as part of the Faith. It may be hard to avoid as if you are praying in a group at a Catholic function, it is quite common for someone to mix in a Hail Mary or prayer to another saint. However, the point is still the same in that you can and should absolutely go straight to Jesus and even God the Father with your prayers. Think of prayers to Mary as asking a friend to pray for you, except this friend is blood relative with Jesus Christ!

I hope that helps somewhat and that it makes some kind of sense. I’m really tired and can tell I am starting to run on a bit… God Bless!

Jason
 
Thank you for the links Jason, I will look over them! Another big topic was the “fluff” as he called it. He said there was all this fluff in the Catholic Church. Fluff meaning extra stuff besides the core beliefs. That’s the Baptist showing through in him. His is bare bones.
 
Thank you for the links Jason, I will look over them! Another big topic was the “fluff” as he called it. He said there was all this fluff in the Catholic Church. Fluff meaning extra stuff besides the core beliefs. That’s the Baptist showing through in him. His is bare bones.
You are very welcome.

One of the easiest ways to deal with the “fluff” issue is to ask him to read the writings of the Church fathers. What did the original Christians, the ones who knew Christ and their immediate successors, believe? If he were to do so, he would see that they are recognizably Catholic. The Fathers Know Best by Jimmy Akin is a very good resource for what the Church Fathers had to say about various Catholic doctrines. Living the Mysteries: A Guide for Unfinished Christians, by Hahn and Aquilla is also very good for this particular issue.

Living The Mysteries… is also a fantastic book for learning sprituality as taught by the Church Fathers. We used in after we came into the Church in our Mystagogy sessions. It is very good.
 
The reason for protestant theology seeing “fluff” is that for them salvation is a covering of us by the Merits of Jesus. Catholic theology rightly sees salvation as a perfecting of the person by active participation and cooperation with God in faith, as St. Thomas Aquinas states, “grace perfects nature”.

It would not take such a big book as the Bible is to relate to us a simple fact such as a covering. It is in the process of bringing Israel to its perfection as the Church that we see the analogical truth that applies to us in our path to perfection guided by the Transcendent God to union with Him that is heaven. The Pharisee’s were condemned even though they had the points of law correct, but they missed the transcendent, elevated truth that works in us, in our created nature by the Author of that nature. God is not just a natural progression of law to truth leading to Him, but He is the deep metaphysical source of the principle of all truth, beyond our contingent natural understanding.

It is ignorance and error, viewing the Church’s metaphysical and transcendent truths through the prism of today’s modern deficient philosophies and notions, that attempts to define what is a correct level of devotion for the workings of God. Where is the line for contemplative nuns or for a life of penance? The world would place it at a level of mediocrity, referring to Catholic dedication as “too far”. Protestant theology would seemingly place that line at anything that did not resemble “working” for salvation. They both seem to place that line at the same place.
 
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