RE: Katie Holmes / Tom Cruise Split

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empther said:
He started out in a movie the name of which I forget. He was one of four young guys drifting around. Among other things, they went to a Mexican brothel. I don’t think there was any story to speak of. Cruise was not the leader of this gang of four. He didn’t even have the most lines. Somebody else did.

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You’re thinking of The Outsiders with Tom Cruise, Patrick Swayze, Diane Lane, Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, and Tom Waits, among others. I think it was in the early 80’s and very early in the careers of many of those actors.

No, I’m not ‘happy’ that Tom and Katie have split. I really was hoping that she would have been able to bring Tom home and that the whole family would be reconciled with the one, true Church. But since that didn’t happen, I guess it’s better that she and Suri have escaped the controlling clutches of his cult.

I’ve always noticed that in pictures of Suri she’s never looked like a happy child. I always felt something was wrong and kind of worried about her. Who knows what their personal life was really like?
 
creole54 said:
…I’ve always noticed that in pictures of Suri she’s never looked like a happy child. I always felt something was wrong and kind of worried about her. Who knows what their personal life was really like?
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You are correct, most pictures do show her without a smile, at least the ones I’ve seen. I don’t follow celebrities, but I always thought she was pretty serious-looking for a little girl due to the pictures I have seen of her. Maybe that is just media manipulation.
 
just_came_back said:
Let’s hope she gets back to the one true church. Was Suri ever baptized? :confused:
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As far as I’ve been able to find out, it was originally planned that Suri was to be a Scientologist, and so I doubt there was ever a formal Catholic baptism (or indeed any sort of baptism for that matter) .

I find it quite suspicious that Cruise is pushing for Suri to enter the Sea Org (a Scientologist religious order) at the VERY young age of 6 when other members are 16 before they join. And the reports of the ‘Security Check Children’ with the e-meter are quite horrifying.
 
The thread is currently titled, “Is anyone else glad Katie Holmes dumped Tom Cruise?”

The title does seem to me to be insensitive and not really one that shines with charity.
I’m sorry to see it on a Catholic website. Even use of the word “dumped” seems unkind.
Should we rejoice at others’ misfortune even where we hope good will come of it?
The fact that the marriage has broken down does not necessarily mean Katie will return in spirit and deed to the Church. It does signify a lot of personal hurt within the family.
I’ve never been happy about the marriage but Katie’s spirit already wasn’t with the Church or she wouldn’t have so readily entered the marriage. As a child her stated ambition was to marry Tom Cruise.

As Nicole returned to the Catholic faith after her divorce, so may the Lord also grant that grace to Katie.
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Our focus is one of prayer for all concerned, for the conversion and healing of the mother, the father, and the child. It is possible that rather than discussing this, God may wish us to pray very deeply and faithfully for this family,
and for others like it.**
 
Tom Cruise has lost THAT LOVING FEELING, OH, THAT LOVING FEELING.

(And I can’t remember the other lyrics).😃
 
Trishie said:
The thread is currently titled, “Is anyone else glad Katie Holmes dumped Tom Cruise?”

The title does seem to me to be insensitive and not really one that shines with charity.
I’m sorry to see it on a Catholic website. Even use of the word “dumped” seems unkind.
Should we rejoice at others’ misfortune even where we hope good will come of it?
The fact that the marriage has broken down does not necessarily mean Katie will return in spirit and deed to the Church. It does signify a lot of personal hurt within the family.
I’ve never been happy about the marriage but Katie’s spirit already wasn’t with the Church or she wouldn’t have so readily entered the marriage. As a child her stated ambition was to marry Tom Cruise.

As Nicole returned to the Catholic faith after her divorce, so may the Lord also grant that grace to Katie.
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Our focus is one of prayer for all concerned, for the conversion and healing of the mother, the father, and the child. It is possible that rather than discussing this, God may wish us to pray very deeply and faithfully for this family,
and for others like it.**
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I’m with Trishie on this one. I’m sure no one here means to be uncharitable. We need to pray for the whole family. I am not going to pray that they get back together, not unless Tom leaves Scientology (cult) but I will pray for little Suri to be able to deal with this separation from her daddy. She’s so young to have to go through all of this. Who knows what craziness she has already witnessed. I personally think that Cruise might be bipolar - he acts manic at times (the couch jumping for example). If he is bipolar, that can help explain his attraction to the cult of Scientology.

In any case, I’m sure everyone on this thread is already praying for Suri and for her mom, and for Cruise to gain his senses and return to the Church. I don’t know how else Holmes could have escaped, and even now, she is going to have a battle on her hands. The cult does not give up easily and they have a LOT of money.
 
creole54 said:
You’re thinking of The Outsiders with Tom Cruise, Patrick Swayze, Diane Lane, Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, and Tom Waits, among others. I think it was in the early 80’s and very early in the careers of many of those actors.
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Cruise was in The Outsiders, but the movie in question is Losin It – which also featured a pre Cheers Shelly Long. His career started in 1981 with a minor role in the film Brooke Shields film Endless Love and a supporting role in Taps with Timothy Hutton, Sean Penn, and George C. Scott.
 
KevinAK said:
Cruise was in The Outsiders, but the movie in question is Losin It – which also featured a pre Cheers Shelly Long. His career started in 1981 with a minor role in the film Brooke Shields film Endless Love and a supporting role in Taps with Timothy Hutton, Sean Penn, and George C. Scott.
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Taps was actually a pretty good movie. every once in awhile, it is on tv. definitely had some actors who were just starting their careers back then.
 
empther said:
Holmes was a Catholic before she got mixed up with this nut.

Let’s hope she gets back to the Truth.
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Cruise was raised Catholic too and if I’m not mistaken was actually considering becoming a priest! :confused:
 
coachkfan1 said:
Cruise was raised Catholic too and if I’m not mistaken was actually considering becoming a priest! :confused:
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yes, it was already mentioned that he considered becoming a priest at 14, but i am not sure what type of religious upbringing he had - if he was in fact raised Catholic.

interesting that his last 2 wives have been Catholic.
 
I read some articles yesterday saying that according to an ex-scientologist (he was pretty high up) that he was involved in a deliberate plan by the organization to indoctrinate Nicole’s children against her when she split from Tom. From links that were posted here earlier, it appears that it worked. This guy is saying that the same thing will be done to Suri. That is outright child abuse, imo. I think we all here need to pray very, very hard for Katie and Suri. If what this guy is saying is true, they are both in very great danger.

I’m eating lunch right now but I will find the link when I’m done. It’s just really disturbing to me that these people actually do this to children. :mad:
 
7_Sorrows said:
Taps was actually a pretty good movie. every once in awhile, it is on tv. definitely had some actors who were just starting their careers back then.
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I’ve always liked that movie.

I wonder if Katie reached out to Nicole before filing the divorce papers? I’ve also read that Tom may have a much tougher time this time around as Katie filed in New York and not CA.
 
masondoggy said:
I read some articles yesterday saying that according to an ex-scientologist (he was pretty high up) that he was involved in a deliberate plan by the organization to indoctrinate Nicole’s children against her when she split from Tom. From links that were posted here earlier, it appears that it worked. This guy is saying that the same thing will be done to Suri. That is outright child abuse, imo. I think we all here need to pray very, very hard for Katie and Suri. If what this guy is saying is true, they are both in very great danger.

I’m eating lunch right now but I will find the link when I’m done. It’s just really disturbing to me that these people actually do this to children. :mad:
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Katie is clearly aware of that…

That’s why she’s obviously pushing for sole custody.

The two BBC Panorama specials by journalist John Sweeney are good viewing for anyone intererested in seeing how Scientology treats it’s critics.
 
masondoggy said:
I read some articles yesterday saying that according to an ex-scientologist (he was pretty high up) that he was involved in a deliberate plan by the organization to indoctrinate Nicole’s children against her when she split from Tom. From links that were posted here earlier, it appears that it worked. This guy is saying that the same thing will be done to Suri. That is outright child abuse, imo. I think we all here need to pray very, very hard for Katie and Suri. If what this guy is saying is true, they are both in very great danger.

I’m eating lunch right now but I will find the link when I’m done. It’s just really disturbing to me that these people actually do this to children. :mad:
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Where are the links for this? O:
 
colliric said:
It’s difficult to see Cruise returning to the Catholic Church. His best friend is actually David Miscavige, which is a big part of the problem.

heraldsun.com.au/news/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-the-third-person-in-cruise-holmes-marriage/story-fnbk7kwa-1226417787201
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Perhaps Katie Holmes feared that the same fate which befell Miscavige’s wife 5 years ago might befall her. dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168586/Mystery-Scientology-leaders-missing-wife-David-Miscaviges-ex-seen-2007.html
 
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