Re-Opening Mass Responsibly

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A big thing is learning how to put a mask on so it fits correctly. Otherwise, the resistance of a good filter will direct most of the air around the filter. The other thing is to learn how to take off the mask without touching the outside (since you may have sucked infected aerosol onto the outside).
 
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You really can make a quite effective mask…a bit of sewing ability and a tight weave fabric…double layered…with a coffee filter between the layers was rated at 85%. Vs N95 at 95%.
I wonder how it would break out if you used two coffee filters.
The educational attainment of children can’t be put into stasis. They either gain or they lose. (This is actually one of the reasons less-affluent children gradually fall behind; that is, they tend to have fewer educational experiences over breaks than children with more affluent parents.)
I realize this, but it might be the way things end up having to be. Lost education time can be made up, if it comes to that. Learning is a lifelong process, and the more you know, the more you are capable of learning, the easier it gets. For instance, I find that right now, I can pick up something in Italian and almost read it “cold”, based on knowledge of French and Spanish. If I didn’t know French and Spanish (I’m not fluent by any stretch of the imagination), I wouldn’t be able to do that. I learned Polish organically and idiomatically as well as in the classroom, and I find that to a certain extent, I can think in Polish. (I’m not fluent in it either.) I can’t do that in French or Spanish.
Yes, this is yet another time where better-educated parents with more options will do what they can to keep their children’s education on track, whereas parents with fewer resources will have a hard time keeping up.
My son and I have been blessed beyond measure, unfairly, I suppose — we homeschool, I am retired, I was able to get a fine, broad-based education which enables me to teach him with confidence, we have enough money to live on decently (but no more than that), we have a stable home life, and CV has affected our life only minimally. I am keenly aware that if even one of these “legs of the stool”, so to speak, weren’t there, it would be very difficult to keep going throughout all of this.
 
I will throw out another home tip. I have a could of disposable N95s made with some cottony paper stuff. After a day or two, the lint starts to be a problem. I have found a $20 UICINOY (brand) lint remover for sweater that make the masks like new. With a little bleach water and a shave, I have used them a lot!
 
The first ammendment of the US Constitution.
I’d also say the 4th, and to a lesser extent, the 5th Amendments. The government has no authority to request such information - even if it is only to “help us”.
 
Right. Maybe someone is asymptomatic and goes along unknowingly spreading the virus. They would want to know that.

As far as church records, they already have a list of members, when they joined, how much they gave, where and when they have volunteered. Those are not exactly state secrets.
 
Right. Maybe someone is asymptomatic and goes along unknowingly spreading the virus. They would want to know that.

As far as church records, they already have a list of members, when they joined, how much they gave, where and when they have volunteered. Those are not exactly state secrets.
My thinking, too. The lists are kept primarily because while the Archbishop is asking people to sign up to go to Mass at only one parish, he’s not restricting people to signing up at their own parishes. (That, and sometimes people gave the parish their landline phone number years ago, then eliminated their landline, moved, or changed their e-mail address, etc. The contact information needs to be current and immediate, rather than just a correct home address.)
 
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I wonder how it would break out if you used two coffee filters.
It becomes very hard to breathe through…I tried it!

And yes, masks need to be put on correctly, they must have a wire to shape it over the bridge of your nose…pinch it tightly!..and pull it under your chin. I can’t even count the number of people that wear their masks wrong! Under their nose…above their chin…so loose it’s pointless…drives me nuts!
 
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I wonder how it would break out if you used two coffee filters.
It becomes very hard to breathe through…I tried it!

And yes, masks need to be put on correctly, the must have a wire to shape it over the bridge of your nose…pinch it tightly!..and pull it under your chin. I can’t even count the number of people that wear their masks wrong! Under their nose…above their chin…so loose it’s pointless…drives me nuts!
Maybe punch a few small, strategically-placed holes (1mm or smaller) in the outer filter, so as to let a small amount of air through to be filtered by the inner one, and to relieve pressure on the outer one?

This is the kind of “thinking outside the box” that inventors and engineers do all the time.
 
Maybe punch a few small, strategically-placed holes (1mm or smaller) i
That sounds like defeating the purpose! Even if you could put 1mm holes in it! Really, I was amazed how much extra filtration one coffee filter made…you can definitely tell the difference. You have to cut the filter to fit the shape of the mask…I had to play around with that to make sure it was covering my nose and mouth. It has almost, but not quite the resistance of an N95…which I also have. I have an N100 mask as well, that one is really hard to breathe through…I found I couldn’t do much exertion without feeling like I was really sucking air hard! And my homemade masks are so much more comfortable. N95 masks are very irritating on my skin.

One thing with homemade masks however, you can not wear them for hours at a time…they should be changed every 4hours as the moisture from your breath reduces the efficiency over that time. I made a whole bunch so I have plenty to change out if needed…and they’re washable…if you remove the filter…I forgot that once.☺️
 
I would actually ask to give my phone number and address if I could. If it turns out that someone infected with coronavirus attended the same mass I did, I would want to know so I could quarantine myself and my family. I could also then tell friends I visited since Mass, that they should quarantine too. I would feel terrible if I lied about my phone number, couldn’t be contacted with news of a possible infection, and then spread the disease to my elderly relatives.

A group of murderous thugs that had control of the military, ruled 1930’s Germany. Trump and Congress are loud-mouths but they are not quite at the level of Nazis. It makes sense in a time of a terrible virus to give your contact info.
 
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I have a huge problem with my attendance, name and contact information being recorded and stored.
It sounds all so innocent, but that is also what many in 1930’s Germany thought.
Question: Did the Japanese Americans–that is, those Americans and residents with even one great-grandparent from Japan–who were rounded up and put into internment camps by the United States government in 1942 by Executive Order 9066 make the mistake of giving their contact information to somebody?
If the US government wants to round up “people like you,” the thing between you and that fate is the sense of justice of the other Americans around you, the ones who are not “people like you.” It isn’t records being kept by “people like you.”
 
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My issue is the Church acting as an agent of the State. It is a very slippery slope.
I even have issues with the Church being able act as an agent of the State for weddings, too.
You are free to disagree, but nothing anyone says will change my mind.
I do not believe in giving up any liberty at all for what is perceived by some as “safety”.
 
My issue is the Church acting as an agent of the State. It is a very slippery slope.
I even have issues with the Church being able act as an agent of the State for weddings, too.
You are free to disagree, but nothing anyone says will change my mind.
I do not believe in giving up any liberty at all for what is perceived by some as “safety”.
I understand how you feel and I share some of your concerns. Still, I also have to admit that an argument can be easily made that this concept you and I have of a liberty that resists the legitimate authority of the state at every turn is an expression of a novel individualistic modernism that grew out of Enlightenment thinking, not an outgrowth of the Christian faith. It is not an attitude that I can find anywhere in the plain meaning of the teachings of the New Testament.
 
I live in NYS. Legitimate authority takes on whole new meaning when you have a governor who wants to circumvent due process, on all sorts of things, all the time.
The overreach has been astounding, and it is very hard to take power away once it is had.
 
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I live in NYS. Legitimate authority takes on whole new meaning when you have a governor who wants to circumvent due process, on all sorts of things, all the time.
The overreach has been astounding, and it is very hard to take power away once it is had.
The problem is that it is not a violation of due process to have a way to trace people during a pandemic. Both the City and the State of New York are very clearly hard hit. (This is NYS, minus NYC):
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

yes, this is easy for me to say, because our Governor has seemed to have tried to be as judicious about COVID-19-related restrictions as is reasonably possible (and is opening up by county rather than making the rural counties wait for the pandemic to die down in the more-affected and more-populous counties).
 
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Oops! Sorry! CDC! I forgot the link; I put it in now. You can look up the same graph for any of the states, but New York is listed separately: that is, the City of New York is listed separately from the remainder of the state. It is in the fine print explaining how the data were assembled (and how it is subject to change, too).

Sorry for failing to put that in; being able to read the fine print is very important in assessing the graph…
 
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I’m not sure the laity of any religion have the standing to sue the government over a requirement implemented by their own bishop.

I think not?
 
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