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PeteZaHut
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Well now I am having mixed feelings. I feel like I have a right to buy those games. Someone has to sell it if I am going to buy it.
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Caesar517
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Joe is right; if it is not sinful to play it then it is not sinful to sell it. I know it isn’t sinful to play it (at least for me). As long as you sell them honestly (don’t lie about it’s content), I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
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Holly3278
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I would not sell inappropriate games on Ebay. Instead, I would just destroy the games when you are done with them and throw them away.
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gmags2003
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That’s not profitable, though!
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Magicsilence
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Of course its sinful, or at the very least, leaning heavily in that direction (culpability undefined).
There have even been secular concerns regarding this games morality and influence on people.
We as Catholics shouldn’t be going near games that promote, horrific violence, rape, sexual promiscuity, and gang-life. Let ALONE playing and selling them.
Why do young male Catholics think they have a right to the kind of things ‘pagan’ young males do?
Video games are a result of secular society’s view that life is about pleasure and reckless enjoyment, coupled with people’s spare time.
If you have time for even harmless video games (on a regular basis), then you should at least be spending an equal amount of time in prayer. The Lord will not care what level your ‘world of warcraft’ character is on judgement day.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Hey don’t you think you’re being a little out of line there? Not all games are like GTA (and personally as a hardcore gamer myself, I hate it). And another thing, not all ‘violent’ video games are mindless gore fests. There are many games (especially RPGs) that actually have interesting stories to tell and playing through them can be akin to reading a book or watching a movie.
Also, you don’t seem to sound like someone who’s actually been hooked to a video game before. I know WoW is addictive along with a lot of other online games but I don’t think you seem to see the reason why we players love playing these games so much.
It’s not about ‘pleasure and reckless enjoyment’. It’s about doing things that we know we could never do in real life. Call it escapism if you will but personally, I just don’t find a lot of excitement in real life compared to when I play.
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Caesar517
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I disagree from the onset.
I don’t really care about secular morality, quite frankly.
Why do you feel this? Do you think all games are this way?
Video games are for pagans only?
I’m beginning to think that you have never played a serious video game and don’t really know what it is.
Where do you get this idea from? Do you think God counts the minutes we spend praying?
He will if it’s a higher level than His.
Note: That was a joke, no one should take any offense. I’ve never played WoW, but I’ve heard it’s addictive.
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gmags2003
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Magic, that was one of the most ridiculous posts that I’ve read. Caesar does a decent job responding to it.
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Fitswimmer
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People who know themselves enough to know that video games, televison shows, movies, music and books will lead them directly to sinful thoughts and actions should stay away from them.
OTOH, if others know themselves enough to know that entertainment media will NOT lead them directly to sinful thoughts and actions should not feel guilty about enjoying them in balance.
OTOH, if others know themselves enough to know that entertainment media will NOT lead them directly to sinful thoughts and actions should not feel guilty about enjoying them in balance.
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Joe_5859
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Nicely, and succinctly, put.
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Caesar517
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Magicsilence
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Do you care about Catholic morality? Because if the ‘pagans’ are concerned that a video game is too violent / sick, you should be seeing red flags everywhere.
Video games are for pagans only?
You’re ‘affirming the consequent’, and thats not what I said. :nope:I nearly failed high school because of video games. I know what they are, and I intimately know the psychological complications that can arise from over-use.
No, and please don’t imply a straw-man.
God will, however, be concerned with how we utilized the precious days he has given us. Will you be happy when God ‘rewinds’ your life to see hour after hour in front of a computer screen playing video games?
Someone in Asia was murdered over an issue with regard to a video game, which I believe was ‘world of warcraft’.He will if it’s a higher level than His.
Note: That was a joke, no one should take any offense. I’ve never played WoW, but I’ve heard it’s addictive.
‘Grand theft auto’ allows you to take control of a character and do things that are mortally sinful. Why would any Christian WANT to do that, let alone argue its morality?
The kind of escapism that ‘Lost Wanderer’ referenced in his response to my post is not an excuse to enjoy sick, violent video games.
Only last week, our pope challenged the makers of media that glorifies rape / violence to meet the victims of these crimes in real life, and see how they would react.
Once it goes into your brain, it doesn’t come out again. Are you implying that we may entertain ourselves by watching or controlling characters who sin gravely against God (were they for real) ? Shouldn’t we as Christians be striving for absolute purity?
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Caesar517
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Magic:
Video games may be a sin for some people to play them (as it sounds like it was with you), but that is the exception rather than the rule. In that case, it is not the game that is causing you to sin, it is your reaction to it.
In shooter games, there is killing (different than murder), violence, and sometimes torture and sexual content. There are a few games that glorify murder and the like, but most shooter games are war-based. WWII, modern counter-terror, and defending against aliens are the most common shooter settings.
The real question to ask youself is: Is playing this video game (that contains sinful behavior) tempting me to commit these sins myself?
If the answer is “yes”, then video games are an occasion of sin for you and should be avoided. If you find yourself thinking:* “Gee, I wish I was murdering, torturing, and having immoral sex,” *then you should step away. If you find yourself being uncharitable to other players because of the intense competition, then you should find something else to do. If you find yourself devoting an reasonable amount of time to video games and putting off the more important things in your day, then you should reconsider your leisure activities.
If none of the above applies to you, then there is nothing wrong with playing video games.
Playing video games where the characters sin can be good. A video game where none of the characters sin would be unrealistic and impossible to relate to. If you recognize the sins of the characters, then you are on the right track. You should start to worry if you don’t ever notice a character sin.
Choice-based role playing games are on the rise. These are fantastic; you are presented with impossibly difficult moral decisions. The choices you make affect your character and the world around you. Mass Effect is the most recent title in this category. There is plenty of battle and violence, but saving the galaxy from a race of sentient machines is hardly sinful behavior.
That said, there are some games (shooter mostly) that I will not play because of the unnecessarily gruesome disrespect for human life and immoral activities they glorify.
Grand Theft Auto is still the scapegoat of video games. Any time someone weants to bash video games, they bring this particular one up. I find that amusing since it is hardly the worst (I think the prostitution issue is responsible for that).
Video games may be a sin for some people to play them (as it sounds like it was with you), but that is the exception rather than the rule. In that case, it is not the game that is causing you to sin, it is your reaction to it.
In shooter games, there is killing (different than murder), violence, and sometimes torture and sexual content. There are a few games that glorify murder and the like, but most shooter games are war-based. WWII, modern counter-terror, and defending against aliens are the most common shooter settings.
The real question to ask youself is: Is playing this video game (that contains sinful behavior) tempting me to commit these sins myself?
If the answer is “yes”, then video games are an occasion of sin for you and should be avoided. If you find yourself thinking:* “Gee, I wish I was murdering, torturing, and having immoral sex,” *then you should step away. If you find yourself being uncharitable to other players because of the intense competition, then you should find something else to do. If you find yourself devoting an reasonable amount of time to video games and putting off the more important things in your day, then you should reconsider your leisure activities.
If none of the above applies to you, then there is nothing wrong with playing video games.
Playing video games where the characters sin can be good. A video game where none of the characters sin would be unrealistic and impossible to relate to. If you recognize the sins of the characters, then you are on the right track. You should start to worry if you don’t ever notice a character sin.
Choice-based role playing games are on the rise. These are fantastic; you are presented with impossibly difficult moral decisions. The choices you make affect your character and the world around you. Mass Effect is the most recent title in this category. There is plenty of battle and violence, but saving the galaxy from a race of sentient machines is hardly sinful behavior.
That said, there are some games (shooter mostly) that I will not play because of the unnecessarily gruesome disrespect for human life and immoral activities they glorify.
Grand Theft Auto is still the scapegoat of video games. Any time someone weants to bash video games, they bring this particular one up. I find that amusing since it is hardly the worst (I think the prostitution issue is responsible for that).
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Fitswimmer
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Just because I see someone do something immoral on TV or in a game I’m going to run right out and try it myself?? I’m not a 6 year old watching Kung Fu Panda and running around doing high kicks all afternoon afterwards. I’m an adult with a fully formed conscience, thanks to the Good Sisters of Charity and the Benedictine Brothers. I can certainly tell the difference between immoral behavior viewed on television or in a game and what is correct moral behavior!Do you care about Catholic morality? Because if the ‘pagans’ are concerned that a video game is too violent / sick, you should be seeing red flags everywhere.
I nearly failed high school because of video games. I know what they are, and I intimately know the psychological complications that can arise from over-use.
No, and please don’t imply a straw-man.
God will, however, be concerned with how we utilized the precious days he has given us. Will you be happy when God ‘rewinds’ your life to see hour after hour in front of a computer screen playing video games?
Someone in Asia was murdered over an issue with regard to a video game, which I believe was ‘world of warcraft’.
‘Grand theft auto’ allows you to take control of a character and do things that are mortally sinful. Why would any Christian WANT to do that, let alone argue its morality?
The kind of escapism that ‘Lost Wanderer’ referenced in his response to my post is not an excuse to enjoy sick, violent video games.
Only last week, our pope challenged the makers of media that glorifies rape / violence to meet the victims of these crimes in real life, and see how they would react.
Once it goes into your brain, it doesn’t come out again. Are you implying that we may entertain ourselves by watching or controlling characters who sin gravely against God (were they for real) ? Shouldn’t we as Christians be striving for absolute purity?
It all goes back to knowing ourselves and our limitations which IMHO comes from frequent Confession and good examinations of conscience. With the help of a good Confessor, we can learn what the occasions of sin are FOR US and then modify our choices accordingly.
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UndertheRadar
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“What does it profit a man to gain the whole world for his own soul?” Mark 8:36
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UndertheRadar
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Maybe these games are not sinful for some, but my question is: What good comes from violent, sexual, etc., video games? Why, if you do not act this way in real life, would you wish to act this way in thought that is visualized through these games? Many of them do not have a moral at the end and seem to glorify secular and non-Christian themes.
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Magicsilence
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Tell me Caesar, does all this logic apply to pornography. Why / why not?
Oh, and to really throw the cat among the pigeons, what about virtual (cgi) pornography?
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Magicsilence
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Fitswimmer,
You too are attacking your own straw man. I did not say what you are questioning.
TV and video games are a recent phenomenon. In general they are controlled and produced by the same secular people who have no problem using ABC or having abortions, watching pornography, or lusting over the opposite sex.
In general they glorify violence, sex, lust, and immodesty. I think UndertheRadar poses some honest questions:
No, it would not.
And depending on how you feel about it, it may be perfectly fine to sell these games. Here is how I arrive at the conclusion:
Let’s assume for a moment that you have concerns about the morality of selling these games. You know it is not wrong for you to play them, but you have concerns that selling the game may lead someone else to sin.
Don’t sell it. Whether or not it is wrong, it is not worth your time and wasted concern over the issue.
However, if you have come to the conclusion that it is perfectly fine to play the game, and you do not believe others will be led to sin with it, then by all means sell the game. You can make back some of the money you initially spent on the game without worry.
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UndertheRadar
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Just because sin is realistic doesn’t mean it is good. Meditate on the passion and tell me how sin is good.
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