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Hi Everyone,

I’m new here and I posted this thread in another forum and someone answered this forum might be the place for some answers. Sorry for the length.

Good Morning,
I am a certified Special Education teacher with a decade of experience within the public school system.
I have three children, eight year old twins and a twelve year old son.
For the past three years I have been a Religious Education Teacher for first, second, and third grades. While I teach third grade, my oldest son is in a sixth grade RE class. My oldest has had the same teacher and in fourth grade, he would tell us about his class and how one girl was always in trouble. The teacher would yell at her, call her parents, call the RE Director and send her out into the hallway. Before the year was out, the teacher had the girl taken from her class for good.

In fifth grade, with the same teacher and some of the same students from the previous year, her class was down to six students, my son would tell us about his class and a different girl who was always in trouble. Same thing - yelling at her, calling parents, complaining to the RE Director, having her physically removed from class and sending her out into the hallway. As with the previous year, the teacher had the girl taken from her class for good.

This year, he is in sixth grade with the same teacher. Her class size is down to four students with one of them being her own son. This year, my son is the one being yelled at, we’re being called by the RE Director, he’s been kicked out of the classroom to stand in the hallway and if he sits down she forces him to stand. The class behaviors we’ve been given are 1. he taps his foot on the floor 2. he taps his finger on the table. 3. he asks too many questions when he doesn’t understand something 4. he asks what time it is. 5. he finishes the chapter tests either too slowly or too quickly. These complaints that are numbered have not been given to us at once, it’s a different complaint every week. My son also reports that when she enters the room she addresses everyone by name and asks how they are but no longer says anything to him.

Last week, as I was packing up after class and gathering my students to deliver them to their parents, one of the four students from my older son’s class came in to tell me to hurry up outside becuase the teacher wants to talk to you and he was kicked out of class, again, and the RE Director was with them. The RE Director told me that ‘this time’ the teacher allowed the students to play a game and she believed my son and another child cheated. She was irate. I asked the teacher if there were actually real classroom behavior problems and she stated that indeed there were. My son taps his foot, or taps his fingers or asks questions about the chapter or finishes the test too fast and if it’s not too fast it’s too slow and he asks what time it is. I restated her complaints back and said there wasn’t much I could do about completely normal human behavior. She became irate and started yelling and it just got plain ugly after that. I asked the RE Director if I could homeschool my son or switch him to another day. I was informed neither of those would be options while his teacher was yelling how she would be glad to get him out of her class. The sooner the better. She wanted him out.

My husband and I decided while I took the twins to RE, he would make arrangements to leave work to take our son to CCD and wait in the common area along with the other parents. The common area is in the center with the classrooms on all sides. If there were any issues, a parent would be there. I also said I would pre-read the chapters he would be reading in class and he could ask his questions with me and all he would have to do is sit and listen and try not to move a muscle. I told him to ask what chapter they would be reading so we could be up to date.

This past Tuesday, we went to RE and all seemed well. My husband sat in the common area with the other parents, I taught my class and we left. I asked my son what chapter we had to read next and he said he tried to ask, twice, but she wouldn’t look at him or speak to him.

I received a call last night from the RE Director saying my son’s teacher was infuriated that my son’s father was sitting in the common area (with other parents), and if ‘that boy’ stays in her class she will not speak to him, look at him, or engage with him in any way. Oh, and she’s going to bring her husband with her too. (what???) The RE Director is at her wit’s end and she spoke to Fr. and Fr. gave a special dispensation allowing me to homeschool him for the rest of the year. While I know he will receive a superior education at home, I can’t quite figure out why this is the third year in a row this teacher has been granted the ability to damage a child through demeaning, tyrannical behavior and yet is able to teach year after year with less and less children. She now has three students. The mother of the other boy in the class is scared to death of who the next target will be and if her son makes it through the year, she’s pulling him to put him in a different day and class next year

My husband and I are reasonable which is why the RE Director has handled it this way. I would love to file a formal complaint yet I actually like the RE Director and my son loves our priest. Something isn’t right. My son is glad to not be in her class, but the fact she eseentially had him expelled is the cruelest thing ever done to my son by another adult. Oddly enough, I’m expected to keep my dignity every Tuesday for the rest of the RE year because I teach third grade on the same night she teaches sixth grade. Odder and more uncomfortable still is the fact I HAVE to bring my sixth grader with me because I’m not leaving him alone, at night, in a house with no adults.

Does anyone have any advice? Suggestions?
 
How terrible! It makes me wonder what type of trauma a person must be going through to behave in such a way. 😦

Is it possible to schedule a sit down meeting with the DRE and the pastor where you can get all this out there? They are obviously aware of the situation, but setting up a meeting to discuss it further would help keep it from slipping off their radar and allowing this catechist’s behavior to continue unchecked.

If that doesn’t resolve things, get in touch with your Diocesan Office of Catechesis (or Religious Education or Christian Formation or whatever it is your diocese calls it) and seek help from them.

You are absolutely right to be concerned about this happening again to someone else’s child. Steps need to be taken to prevent that from happening.
 
I would make an appointment, along with your husband, to meet with the Pastor of the Church associated with the school. The Pastor is the one who is ultimately responsible to Church Authorities for everything that goes on in the school. Prepare yourself ahead of time, with documentary evidence if possible and relate the problem to him, just as you have done here…And be prepared to name names of that teachers victims. Let him know that there is a pattern of adverse behavior here that is having an ill effect that will carry on into future years for the students.
ILet the Pastor know that if you cannot get satisfaction, as a parent you should be prepared to find another school to educate your children…even if it means sending them to public school. That should get his attention!
 
The DRE is plainly not doing her job. It is obvious there is a problem with the teacher and she needs to be removed. Whether there is an alternate teacher available is irrelevant. Once your son is out, she will deliver her vitriol against some other poor student. There is an established pattern of abuse here.

Contact the diocese and find out who is in charge of the safety of minors. If they don’t have anyone, then write the bishop directly. It may also be necessary to bring in the police.
 
This is clearly abusive and damaging behavior toward a child. You would think that with the child sex abuse scandals in the recent past that the RE would be hypervigilant about teachers like this. If I were you,I would ignore that other teacher and see how she feels about it. I hope your pastor steps in and shows her the door. From what I’ve read in your post, your soon has done NOTHING wrong. All I read was regarding typical age appropriate behavior.
 
How sad. I’m so sorry your son had to undergo such unkindness.

Please document everything just as you’ve described it here.

Take that to the DRE. (possibly you did this, as you say you and your husband met with her.)

If she’s unable to resolve the issue so that your son remains in his religion class, then make an appointment with your pastor. Remaining with his peers is important. Add documention of your meeting with the DRE.

In 20 years of teaching and 25 years as a catechist, I’ve never heard of such behavior in a Catholic school or in a parish religious ed program.

I’ve had a few wild kids over those years and never even chastised them. For such a short period of time, there are other classroom management techniques! One goal in the PSR setting is to make the child love being there!
 
Hi Everyone,

I’m new here and I posted this thread in another forum and someone answered this forum might be the place for some answers. Sorry for the length.

Good Morning,
I am a certified Special Education teacher with a decade of experience within the public school system. …
Does anyone have any advice? Suggestions?
You know, splattering this all over an internet forum isn’t particularly professional for a teacher…
 
Does anyone have any advice? Suggestions?
I would continue home schooling him if sending him elsewhere isn’t an option. The other parents really should step up and complain to the RE Director, who is clearly not doing her job in the first place.

But if you knew all this was going on for the past few years, why did you not say something sooner? It looks (from your post) that you tolerated it until it was your own son who was being abused?
 
Thank you estesbob, rence, ilySHJ, TigerKitty, SonCatcher, Georg Stegmeir, and Joe 5859. I appreciate your viewpoints, kind thoughts and constructive advice. My husband and I will be making an appointment with our priest to discuss this. I will be schooling him at home and making sure he completes his stewarship. Next year I will be teaching 7th grade and he will be with me.
 
But if you knew all this was going on for the past few years, why did you not say something sooner? It looks (from your post) that you tolerated it until it was your own son who was being abused?
That is a good question and I suspect in a face-to-face, this may very well be something that comes up. Though my first reaction would be one of defensiveness, I appreciate it being asked here because I’ve had time to examine my conscience and motivation and WHY exactly this is bothering me so much.
So to answer your question, no, I did not tolerate this until it was my son who became her victim. Again, this is over for my son. He’s out, gone, there’s no going back. I could let this go and hang my head in shame and slink off horrified like the other unfortunate families did. For all I know this happened to my child - an otherwise good kid as backed by teacher comments and report cards - because maybe it’s God’s plan to have someone FINALLY say something. I don’t know. Perhaps this will explain better how it’s come to this point.
“Once is chance; twice, is coincidence, but three times is enemy action”. – Brian Hooper

For all I know those other parents DID say something and it’s been dismissed. Would that have been shared with me? No. So no, it’s not a case of turning a blind eye until it happened to me or mine. It DID happen to mine and it’s over, done, he’s out. I DO know now that it will happen to another child. It won’t be my child because it’s already past tense. My asking advice in this forum from my fellow Catholics has provided me some clarity and insights and a strength to push forward with this. It is not with a light heart I am going to this meeting expressing serious concerns.
 
But if you knew all this was going on for the past few years, why did you not say something sooner? It looks (from your post) that you tolerated it until it was your own son who was being abused?
That is a good question and I suspect in a face-to-face, this may very well be something that comes up. Though my first reaction would be one of defensiveness, I appreciate it being asked here because I’ve had time to examine my conscience and motivation and WHY exactly this is bothering me so much.
So to answer your question, no, I did not tolerate this until it was my son who became her victim. Again, this is over for my son. He’s out, gone, there’s no going back. I could let this go and hang my head in shame and slink off horrified like the other unfortunate families did. For all I know this happened to my child - an otherwise good kid as backed by teacher comments and report cards - because maybe it’s God’s plan to have someone FINALLY say something. I don’t know. Perhaps this will explain better how it’s come to this point.
“Once is chance; twice, is coincidence, but three times is enemy action”. – Brian Hooper

For all I know those other parents DID say something and it’s been dismissed. Would that have been shared with me? No. So no, it’s not a case of turning a blind eye until it happened to me or mine. It DID happen to mine and it’s over, done, he’s out. I DO know now that it will happen to another child. It won’t be my child because it’s already past tense. My asking advice in this forum from my fellow Catholics has provided me some clarity and insights and a strength to push forward with this. It is not with a light heart I am going to this meeting expressing serious concerns.
 
Hi Charlotte,
I responded to your previous thread with a few concerns:

"As the church expects parents to have primary responsibility in teaching the faith to their children, it seems unusual that a dispensation should be needed in order for your child to receive such formation at home. Our catechism, CCC 2221 notes that the right and duty of parents to educate their children is primordial and inalienable.Perhaps there i some misunderstanding about this in your parish.
It does sound as though you are in the right to exercise this responsibility.
It is unfortunate that so many years have gone by in which those with knowledge of the problem were unable to communicate it to those who might be able to intervene in support of both children and teacher.
What a blessing that they are now informed and in a position to effect change. May it all be to the greater glory of Our Lord. Amen. "

Since this post, I’ve been thinking further about the situation you have described.
As a certified teacher with so many years experience you should be aware that teachers are required to report abuse and face severe penalties for failing to comply with this requirement.
My Archdiocese provides and requires documented trainings to anyone working with vulnerable ones including old ones, shut-ins and children… This ensures that they are aware of the obligation to inform parish and state authorities if they are aware of abuse. Yelling at children and physically removing them from a room so that they are not under immediate supervision is problematical. This should have been reported long ago. Leaving children alone in a hallway without supervision should result in immediate clarification of the duties of adult teachers.
When you decide to have your meeting with your pastor, you will need to bring all of your documentation of the abuse you witnessed in order to both protect the children in your care as well as yourself as a credible witness.
In regards to your statement that your DRE refused to allow you to withdraw your child from CCD, quoted here :" I asked the RE Director if I could home-school my son or switch him to another day. I was informed neither of those would be options…" ,
you may want to submit that as a separate concern to your parish administration so that they can clarify both to the teacher and to you the fact that only a parent may compel a child to attend CCD classes.
May God bless you and all other members of your parish.
 
That is a good question and I suspect in a face-to-face, this may very well be something that comes up. Though my first reaction would be one of defensiveness, I appreciate it being asked here because I’ve had time to examine my conscience and motivation and WHY exactly this is bothering me so much.
So to answer your question, no, I did not tolerate this until it was my son who became her victim.

For all I know those other parents DID say something and it’s been dismissed. Would that have been shared with me? No. So no, it’s not a case of turning a blind eye until it happened to me or mine. .
Actually, since you knew about the problem and have been in a position of authority it is and has been your responsibility to report this.
I agree with Iloveangels that this forum is probably not the place where you want to be discussing/documenting this.
What parents did or did not say will not affect what you are obligated to say as an adult in a position of teaching authority.
I will keep you and your parish in my prayers tonight.
May God bless you all. Amen.
 
“As a certified teacher with so many years experience you should be aware that teachers are required to report abuse and face severe penalties for failing to comply with this requirement.”
Absolutely. Especially if anything happens in my presence, if a child tells me directly, or I see signs of physical abuse and is something I can document. I can not document speculation. I can also be held accountable by law for making ‘false accusations’.

“This should have been reported long ago. Leaving children alone in a hallway without supervision should result in immediate clarification of the duties of adult teachers.
When you decide to have your meeting with your pastor, you will need to bring all of your documentation of the abuse you witnessed in order to both protect the children in your care as well as yourself as a credible witness.”

I couldn’t agree more. How do you or I know the families before didn’t report? Should I hold them responsible for not taking action thereby leaving the rest of the children vulnerable? Should I blame them for allowing the situation to get to this? The reality is I don’t know what they’ve done, how strong they felt, or how beaten down they felt. At this point it happened to our son and the reality is I have facts, proof, and the emotional toll on my son. The information I can present will be far more powerful because it DID happen to my son and in presenting this, I can also point out the pattern that has developed. I also now feel empowered with the people on this thread who kindly offered support by recognizing I can’t change what has happened and the ball has now been thrown in my court. There has to be someone who needs to make the change and I see now God has probably intended for it to be me. I called the DRE during the week and told her this woman in no way belongs in front of ANY children. Were she in the public school system she would have been gone week one. I made clear to the DRE exactly how this would be dealt with in the secular environment and I will be making the same statement to our priest.
“In regards to your statement that your DRE refused to allow you to withdraw your child from CCD, quoted here :” I asked the RE Director if I could home-school my son or switch him to another day. I was informed neither of those would be options…" ,
you may want to submit that as a separate concern to your parish administration so that they can clarify both to the teacher and to you the fact that only a parent may compel a child to attend CCD classes."

This is information I didn’t know so this is helpful. Had I known this the night in question while having the other teacher yelling how ‘the sooner he was out the better’, I could have come back with this. I felt quite helpless and angry at the same time because I knew something wasn’t right and it was on me to find out what it was. You have provided me with an insight I didn’t know.
 
Actually, since you knew about the problem and have been in a position of authority it is and has been your responsibility to report this.
I agree with Iloveangels that this forum is probably not the place where you want to be discussing/documenting this.
What parents did or did not say will not affect what you are obligated to say as an adult in a position of teaching authority.
I will keep you and your parish in my prayers tonight.
May God bless you all. Amen.
Really? I knew? No… I now know.
Assigning me responsibility and guilt after the fact is quite the irony.

I will refrain from posting and aplogize to those offended by this.

Thank you all and please know I am thankful to those who have provided me with information and actions I need to take. God Bless
 
… I agree with Iloveangels that this forum is probably not the place where you want to be discussing/documenting this. …
I will keep you and your parish in my prayers tonight.
May God bless you all. Amen.
May I respectfully disagree. Anonymity was preserved. No insulting comments or bashing, unless I just missed it.

The posters on CAF bring so much wisdom with them. Sometimes discussion greatly helps a person see a situation more objectively and with greater clarity. Sometimes a bit of moral support helps.

God bless.
 
For future reference:

Obligation to report Suspected abuse, and protection given to those who in good faith make such reports, is documented at the following U.S. Department of Health and human Services link:
childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/childcare/chapterthree.cfm
I quote from this link:
"Although all States require the reporting of suspected abuse and neglect, there is no requirement that the reporter have proof that the abuse or neglect has occurred. "

“False reports should not be confused with cases that are found to be unsubstantiated by CPS. Those cases are ruled out due to insufficient evidence that was provided in good faith, as opposed to false reports where incorrect information is provided knowingly.”

“Mandated Reporters
Individuals usually designated as mandatory reporters include:
Child care providers;
Pediatricians and other health care workers;
Law enforcement officers;
Mental health professionals;
Clergy;
School personnel;
Social workers.”
 
There is a mixed quality of advice here, some is IMO excellent.
You are clear in your mind that your son has been persecuted. Whether or not this in your opinion constitutes abuse you need to be clear on too. If it makes you uneasy that there is a pattern of inappropriate behaviour as it clearly does,then i believe you need to use the child protection system…here in the uk that would mean immediately contacting the designated person in your parish and expressing your concern for appropriate procedures to be put into action and It would not be your place to decide what if any further action is required. If you are not satisfied that your concerns have not been appropriately dealt with then go to the next port of calI, the diocese. If you can’t get help because some one is unavailable we contact external agencies.l I don’t know what procedures are where you are but you say you have attended some training and you should have been made aware of child protection procedures and complaints procedures when you started in your role:If you were, then the professional thing to is to use them, if not you should ask what they are:both parents and professionals should have a right to know these. If the DRE is not the child protection officer, a written complaint to the DRE in your role as a parent would also in my mind be appropriate with cc to your pastor so that the managers are aware they need to act in some way or another. Try in your own mind to separate out what you know or have had reported to you as a teacher and what you know and believe as parents so that you respond appropriately.
In my mind the 6grade teacher sounds very stressed about something and needing some serious support from the church…inappropriate behaviour towards the vulnerable must be prevented and not be condoned but the alleged perpetrator still needs to be loved IMO. Managers in your church must manage!
 
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