Read the Qur'an

[dronald]

Jn8:44You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me.

58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. "

59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Jn 21:23 (after the resurrection)So the saying spread abroad among the brothers that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? "

24 This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things, and who has written these things, and we know that his testimony is true.

 

[MartinJordan]

Historically it should show that Jesus died on the Cross, because that is how it appeared.

Yes,God is a deceiver. :yawn:

Btw according to the Qur’an who exactly replaced Jesus? :coffeeread:

MJ

 

[shambles]

Also, in regards to your objection to Christ dying for the sins of mankind because, “it’s not fair.” I would like it if you could address some Hadith passages for me.

Sahih Muslim 6665—Abu Musa reported that Allah’s Messenger said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim 6666—Allah’s Apostle said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim 6668—Allah’s Messenger [said]: There would come people amongst the **Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, **and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians.

Here it seems as if Muslims with sins the size of mountains are being placed on the backs of Jews and Christians.

Peace. I have never heard of those sayings before, and there is something extremely iffy about those so called Hadiths. Something I have learnt in life and Religion, if it doesn`t make sense, then question it. Investigate it, and I am never disappointed. Alhamdolillah.
Like now, this was brought to my attention, and by the grace of God, The Best of Teachers and the best of Guides, He may bring the answers too, also, to you and to me. Inshallah

Quran, Surah Al Imran55. (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

1. O People of the Scripture! Why disbelieve ye in the revelations of Allah, when ye (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth) ?
2. O People of the Scripture! Why confound ye truth with falsehood and knowingly conceal the truth ?
3. And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.
4. When Allah made (His) covenant with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter) ? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you.
5. Then whosoever after this shall turn away: they will be miscreants.
6. Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

 

[shambles]

I understand that you believe this based on the Qur’an and Hadith, but again I must appeal to history and say that what you’re saying is historically inaccurate.

I don’t necessarily believe that I’m against Muslims, for I love Muslims very much. However, if they have been misguided by a false Prophet that the Bible warns against, then I must help turn them away from that.

Although I will not do that here, for it is against the rules, you must understand that the Bible is clear that Salvation is only attained by Jesus Christ and Him crucified. This was denied by Muhammad 600 years later and then again, i must appeal to history.

Muhammad is the beloved of Allah. His coming Foretold by Christ. He is most certainly not a false prophet. There is clear proofs and evidence with Islam. To believe in the unseen does not mean to have blind faith.
Scientists and professors that have studied the Quran have had no choice but to accept that it is indeed the word of God. There are no loose ends.
Whether you believe or not, makes no difference to Muslims, but it does make a difference to you.
There are people like Harun Yahya who are working on interfaith projects, and defeating Darwinism, and providing articles with proofs and signs leading to faith. He is in Istanbul and the West is looking to him as a bridge to peace, unity and faith between east and west, Muslim and non Muslim.
It is for the sake of Allah that I love my Christian cousins and my Jewish cousins, and, like yourself, pray for your nation of believers to be corrected and completed, just as some of you pray for our guidance.
I find that marvellous that we are looking out for each other, and I am sure, The Almighty will be pleased with us for doing so, and will bless us therein and bring us into a united correct Faith, Amen and Ameen.
But check out Harun Yahya, in English, you can watch his documentaries on all the topics that interest both you and I, from proofs, to Darwinism, to End Times, interfaith, signs leading to faith etc. They have a building bridges program. He is of the Holy bloodline, and is a Saint, and he is working on such a scale, that has not been witnessed in our lifetime.

 

[dronald]

1. O People of the Scripture! Why disbelieve ye in the revelations of Allah, when ye (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth) ?
2. O People of the Scripture! Why confound ye truth with falsehood and knowingly conceal the truth ?
3. And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.

There was a time that these passages from your Qur’an would have been believable, but look closely at what it is saying. It is saying that Christians are distorting the Scripture with their tongues. Muhammad was a firm believer that the Scriptures possessed by the Christians at his time were correct, and yet Christians are lying about what it says.

Ibn-Khazem was the first to acknowledge that Muhammad respected the Scriptures in the Bible and claimed that corruption must have come since the time of the Qur’an. Take a look:

“Since the Quran must be true it
must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But
Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the
present text must have been falsified by the Christians after
the time of Muhammad.” (-Ibn-Khazem c1037 AD)

Notice here how Ibn-Khazem (again, the first to claim corruption) said the time of corruption must have come after the time of Muhammad? But we know now for a fact that this is not true.

And why would Ibn-Khazem make such a claim? Well…

Surah 3:3 it is he who sent down to thee, step by step, in truth, the book, confirming what went before it; and he sent down the law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus before this, as a guide to mankind, and he sent down the criterion of judgment between right and wrong.

Surah 10:34 If thou wert in doubt as to what we have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book from before thee: the truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

Surah 5:46-47 And we sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and we gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. And let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient

Surah 5:50let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein

So, I challenge you to read the Bible that we had in the year 630-700 and you’ll find that it’s clear that Jesus was crucified.

Muhammad is the beloved of Allah. His coming Foretold by Christ.

Chapter and verse if you would be so kind.