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At Christmas time (Christmas Eve, or Christmas Day) is there a reading during mass when specific dates are mentioned about the birth of Jesus, particularly noting the date A.U.C.? If so, where would I find this? Thank you. wayne
 
wayne2 said:
At Christmas time (Christmas Eve, or Christmas Day) is there a reading during mass when specific dates are mentioned about the birth of Jesus, particularly noting the date A.U.C.? If so, where would I find this? Thank you. wayne
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Welcome to the forum Wayne. No specific dates are recorded in Scripture or anywhere else saying the exact date of His birth. December 25th is traditional, a good estimate, but really not very relevant. We should celebrate His birth everyday!
 
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At Christmas time (Christmas Eve, or Christmas Day) is there a reading during mass when specific dates are mentioned about the birth of Jesus, particularly noting the date A.U.C.? If so, where would I find this? Thank you. wayne
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No. There is no such accurate date.

There is a reference to a census, and to a governor of Syria (Quirineus) but there is no independent account of such a universal census.
 
At Christmas time (Christmas Eve, or Christmas Day) is there a reading during mass when specific dates are mentioned about the birth of Jesus, particularly noting the date A.U.C.? If so, where would I find this? Thank you. wayne

I believe you are thinking of the Martyrology of Christmas. Originally it was read during Prime on the 24th.

You can find it here:

breviary.net/martyrology/mart12/mart1225.htm

In the 5199th year of the creation of the world, from the time when in the beginning God created heaven and earth; from the flood, the 2957th year; from the birth of Abraham, the 2015th year; from Moses and the going-out of the people of Israel from Egypt, the 1510th year; from the anointing of David as king, the 1032nd year; in the 65th week according to the prophecy of Daniel; in the 194th Olympiad; from the founding of the city of Rome, the 752nd year; in the 42nd year of the rule of Octavian Augustus, when the whole world was at peace, in the sixth age of the world: Jesus Christ, the eternal God and Son of the eternal Father, desiring to sanctify the world by His most merciful coming, having been conceived by the Holy Ghost, and nine months having passed since His conception (A higher tone of voice is now used, and all kneel) was born in Bethlehem of Juda of the Virgin Mary, having become man.

In the same higher tone of voice and in the tone of the Passion:

THE NATIVITY of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh.
 
wayne2 said:
At Christmas time (Christmas Eve, or Christmas Day) is there a reading during mass when specific dates are mentioned about the birth of Jesus, particularly noting the date A.U.C.? If so, where would I find this? Thank you. wayne
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The Bible gives the month in which Jesus was conceived. I is about nine months before Christmas.
 
what month is listed for the conception and where at in the bible?
 
teadough said:
the Christmas day time period was formed from a Pagan holiday known as Saturnalia. Constantine started this tradition from what I gather. I am sure someone else can help on this subject

here is a nice little article

geocities.com/sisteroffortune/Saturnalia.htm
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The description of conditions at the time of Jesus birth – shepards abiding in the fields, keeping watch over their flocks – indicates spring, not winter.

The custom in the ancient church (where vital statistics were lacking) was to ascribe the birth of any saint to 9 months before his death, and this was applied to Jesus when the Saturnalia was “repurposed” into Christmas.
 
Constantine started this tradition from what I gather.

You gather wrong.

An African Christian writer, whose name escapes me, figured the Birth of Jesus took place in December–and he did this in 211, more than a century before Constantine.
 
bpbasilphx said:
Constantine started this tradition from what I gather.

You gather wrong.

An African Christian writer, whose name escapes me, figured the Birth of Jesus took place in December–and he did this in 211, more than a century before Constantine.
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At least give us this “African Christian writers” name.

Constantine made it official is a better way of putting it. It’s roots of the traditions we still carry are Pagan.
 
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