That is an excellent idea, I’ll do that in a little bit…For ALotLessThumb, if you want responses about the Mass pre-Trent (and not take this thread off topic) you should ask that in either the Traditional Catholicism forum or the Liturgy and Sacraments forum.
Yeah, I know the question is sort of like asking what were the policies of nation X during WWII. I understand it is hard to separate the two during the time period; but it certainly would be interesting to read about without having to get into the Reformation- which largely comes down to either justifying or condemning the event.I’m glad we’ve been able to help direct you towards some books about the English Reformation. I hope you get some responses re the Church at the time of the Reformation, but I doubt you’ll find much that doesn’t mention the Reformation considering it was a rather big event at the time. :idea:
I definately agree it would depend on my status in society- but it does bring up this question that perhaps you can assist me with:One of the things I got from reading ‘Religion And The Decline Of Magic’ was that you might have to distinguish between the ‘people who mattered’ and the ‘people who didn’t matter’ - many of whom would appear to have been in almost complete ignorance of the basic tenets of any religion, never mind the niceties of Catholic or Protestant doctrinal disputes. So, what you would see and experience might really depend on ‘who’ you were in society.
Speaking of King Henry the VIII,Under Hank, yes. Ignoring the odd things he threatened to do at the end of his life.
It seems to me that his drastic political step to counter the poilitcal act of refusing the decree of nullity was beyond what had been occuring since the First Statute of Westminster, in degree, but not in kind.
GKC
None that I am aware of. The parallel of a basically political conflict between a high powered secular ruler and the Papacy was not uncommon in the period, though.Speaking of King Henry the VIII,
How much influence did the dispute between Louis IV and Pope John XXII have in the English Reformation, since there are obvious parallels.
Jewish life was quite different, separate. You might find this online book interesting - you can choose to read it as text or as pdf.I definately agree it would depend on my status in society- but it does bring up this question that perhaps you can assist me with:
If I were a Jewish male during this time period, how immersed/educated would I be in Jewish theology? Any books on this subject?
Yeah, the similiarities I am talking about deal with:None that I am aware of. The parallel of a basically political conflict between a high powered secular ruler and the Papacy was not uncommon in the period, though.
GKC
There were no direct connections, AFAIK, say when Henry canvassed the universities for support for his position, Louis wasn’t cited.Yeah, the similiarities I am talking about deal with:
Would it be incorrect to say that during the inital break, neither side necessarily felt that a deal would not be reached at some point, and perhaps both sides were “playing a game of chicken?”
- the excommunication of Lous IV due to his declaring himself divorced.
- the Papacy being influenced by the French and the power struggle between the monarchy and the church
- his protection of William of Ockham, Marsilius of Padua, and other controversial figures
- his actions weakened the Papacy over the long term
Afterall, Henry wasn’t John Calvin, and though some of those surrounding him were more reformed minded, the real reforms didn’t seem to occur until Edward’s reign. I get the impression, that both sides could have some reasonable agreement if one of them “blinked.”