Real Presence

[paarsurrey]

This question of the Real Presence, for me, revolves around the concept of the timelessness of eternity. I look at it this way, from our perspective, Jesus died some 2,000 years ago. But from God’s perspective (because He is outside time and space) Jesus is STILL on the cross, (and He has not yet gone to the cross), because time is not linear in eternity. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because He is outside of linear time.

Hi

I think this must be your opinion only. JesusYeshuaIssa, as you know according to Holger Kersten, a German Scholar did not die on Cross but he died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India at the age of 120 years ( not 33 years as is commonly believed). Now he is resting in the heavens as did Moses, he died and got buried and now he is resting in the heavens.

Also now Jesus’ Second Coming has taken place in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, so in my opinion, relevance of all such ideas doesn’t remain valid.

You say “Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because He is outside of linear time”. Kindly give straight passages from OTBible in support of your this ** claim ** and also for the ** reason ** , if any.

Please don’t mind, I respect your faith.

Thanks

 

[Delraek]

Hi

I think this must be your opinion only. JesusYeshuaIssa, as you know according to Holger Kersten, a German Scholar did not die on Cross but he died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India at the age of 120 years ( not 33 years as is commonly believed). Now he is resting in the heavens as did Moses, he died and got buried and now he is resting in the heavens.

Also now Jesus’ Second Coming has taken place in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, so in my opinion, relevance of all such ideas doesn’t remain valid.

Flavius Josephus (c. 37–c. 100), a Jew and Roman citizen who worked under the patronage of the Flavians, wrote the Antiquities of the Jews c. 93, which contains a passage known as the Testimonium Flavianum that mentions the death and resurrection of Jesus: “When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned [Jesus] to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease [to follow him], for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvelous things concerning him.”

You say “Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because He is outside of linear time”. Kindly give straight passages from OTBible in support of your this ** claim ** and also for the ** reason ** , if any.

Please don’t mind, I respect your faith.

Thanks

 

[Delraek]

Flavius Josephus (c. 37–c. 100), a Jew and Roman citizen who worked under the patronage of the Flavians, wrote the Antiquities of the Jews c. 93, which contains a passage known as the Testimonium Flavianum that mentions the death and resurrection of Jesus: “When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned [Jesus] to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease [to follow him], for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvelous things concerning him.”

 

[Peregrino]

Flavius Josephus (c. 37–c. 100), a Jew and Roman citizen who worked under the patronage of the Flavians, wrote the Antiquities of the Jews c. 93, which contains a passage known as the Testimonium Flavianum that mentions the death and resurrection of Jesus: “When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned [Jesus] to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease [to follow him], for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvelous things concerning him.”

I have read that many scholars believe that these pro-christian sections of Josephus’ Testimonium Flavianum were later additions and insertions by later Christians. As the argument goes, they are too good to be true coming from a non-christian and Pharisaic Jew at that. Additionally, earlier pro-christian writiers who would have been familiar with Josephus’ work fail to mention him when they could have had independent “confirmation” of Christian claims. Sadly, the pro-christian elements in Josephus probably don’t count for much.

 

[richmaffeobooks]

Hi

I think this must be your opinion only.

Yes, it is my opinion. But it is based on the clear (to me) evidence of the biblical text and the teaching of the Church for more than 2000 years. It is also based on my experiences with the Lord Jesus (yes, I understand “experiences” are not very scientific). I know He is who He said he is because, well, because He said it. I know it also because of His bodily resurrection from the grave. And I know it because I know He will return for His Bride – the Church which consists of all Christians.

You say “Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because He is outside of linear time”. Kindly give straight passages from OTBible in support of your this ** claim ** and also for the ** reason ** , if any.​

The concept of “eternity” runs throughout the OT and NT like a red thread. If you find an exhaustive concordance and search for the word and read each passage in context, you will (I suppose) understand the concept transcends time and space.

Can I prove eternity exists? No. But I know it does because, well, because Scripture teaches it, as does the Church.

Not very scientific, I admit. But neither can I scientifically prove that “love” exists

rich

 

[adrift]

Hi

I think this must be your opinion only. JesusYeshuaIssa, as you know according to Holger Kersten, a German Scholar did not die on Cross but he died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India at the age of 120 years ( not 33 years as is commonly believed). Now he is resting in the heavens as did Moses, he died and got buried and now he is resting in the heavens.

Thanks

If this were true, which it is not, it would make Jesus a liar.

Also now Jesus’ Second Coming has taken place in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, so in my opinion, relevance of all such ideas doesn’t remain valid.

There is no such thing as reincarnation this cannot be true.

Opinion should be based on truth.

 

[Keikiolu]

Quote:Originally Posted by Keikiolu forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif *Who says the eucharist prevents sin?*Cathechism 1393-1395

youve been eating jesus without knowing that? now talk about “extreme lack of knowledge”

Um,… nowhere does it “prevent” us from sinning, which is what “prevents sins” means, as I read your writing.

Please clarify how you came to your conclusion from your cited sources (below):

1393 Holy Communion separates us from sin. The body of Christ we receive in Holy Communion is “given up for us,” and the blood we drink “shed for the many for the forgiveness of sins.” For this reason the Eucharist cannot unite us to Christ without at the same time cleansing us from past sins and preserving us from future sins:
For as often as we eat this bread and drink the cup, we proclaim the death of the Lord. If we proclaim the Lord’s death, we proclaim the forgiveness of sins. If, as often as his blood is poured out, it is poured for the forgiveness of sins, I should always receive it, so that it may always forgive my sins. Because I always sin, I should always have a remedy.230

1394 As bodily nourishment restores lost strength, so the Eucharist strengthens our charity, which tends to be weakened in daily life; and this living charity wipes away venial sins.231 By giving himself to us Christ revives our love and enables us to break our disordered attachments to creatures and root ourselves in him:

Since Christ died for us out of love, when we celebrate the memorial of his death at the moment of sacrifice we ask that love may be granted to us by the coming of the Holy Spirit. We humbly pray that in the strength of this love by which Christ willed to die for us, we, by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, may be able to consider the world as crucified for us, and to be ourselves as crucified to the world. . . . Having received the gift of love, let us die to sin and live for God.232

1395 By the same charity that it enkindles in us, the Eucharist preserves us from future mortal sins. The more we share the life of Christ and progress in his friendship, the more difficult it is to break away from him by mortal sin. The Eucharist is not ordered to the forgiveness of mortal sins - that is proper to the sacrament of Reconciliation. The Eucharist is properly the sacrament of those who are in full communion with the Church.

Quote:Originally Posted by Keikiolu forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif *To you, the eucharist IS just make believe.*Its only logical, for there are no objective positive effects besides making you feel good from 5 minutes to 1 hour.

You’re entitled to your opinion, buckeroo…!

I don’t see it that way,… as should be no surprise to you.

Best to 'ya…!

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey;2719299:

I know it also because of His bodily resurrection from the grave.
rich

Hi

I respect your faith. I don’t blame you, but the common man in your faith has been made to believe certain things which are not actually there. For instance, Jesus was never put in a grave, but you believe that he was put in a grave where even a healthy man whether one was earlier put on Cross or not would die. Jesus did not get resurrected from a grave, as he was never buried in grave.

He was laid in a tomb, which was spacious enough to accommodate two/three persons, it had a bigger opening which could be termed as a door and a smaller one that could be termed as a ventilator so that Jesus does not get suffocated there. This seems to be well thought of secret plan of Pilate who had held Jesus innocent and did not want that he should be killed on cross. Nicodimus, the physician brought an unusual quantity of herbs (fragrances) which were ingredients of a miraculous ointment later known in the ancient medical books as Ointment of Jesus or Ointment of Disciples which were applied on his body. Jesus was laid unconscious in the tomb but with this treatment he got cured in due course of time; and that fulfilled the Sign of Jonah of which Jesus had prophesized. So that is perhaps the reality of the events, I think.

You have the right to differ with me and you are welcome.

 

[richmaffeobooks]

richmaffeobooks;2720363:

Hi

You have the right to differ with me and you are welcome.

Yup, I completely and categorically disagree with you. It seems you are taking history and attempting to rearrange it. The Lord Jesus said, no one can come to Him unless the Father draw him.

I assume you are an honest man, and so I pray that the Holy Spirit will have mercy on you and your family and open your eyes to His truth.

Respectfully,

Rich

 

[paarsurrey]

There is no such thing as reincarnation this cannot be true.

Hi

**Jesus’ Second Coming **1835-1908 is not that his spirit has entered literally in the body of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the PromisedMessiah. This is not our concept, which would be much of a concept of Hinduism or Buddhism. Our concept is that as Jesus came into Judaism which were divided into many a cruel and hardened sects and Jesus was sent to soften them and unite them under his peaceful teachings, so is the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 to work for unity of faiths/denominations/religions of the world with peaceful means; well you can uderstand that this is not smaller job.I think you agree with me. It is no difficult to understand.

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

**Jesus’ Second Coming **1835-1908 is not that his spirit has entered literally in the body of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the PromisedMessiah. This is not our concept, which would be much of a concept of Hinduism or Buddhism. Our concept is that as Jesus came into Judaism which were divided into many a cruel and hardened sects and Jesus was sent to soften them and unite them under his peaceful teachings, so is the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 to work for unity of faiths/denominations/religions of the world with peaceful means; well you can uderstand that this is not smaller job.I think you agree with me. It is no difficult to understand.

Thanks

This unity you speak of, is it unity in Islam only, or do people get to remain their own religion?

 

[Sixtus]

No offense but for me this means that catholicism is deep into delusions. Eucharist is just make believe for it really does nothing but make a person feel good from 5 minutes to 1 hour. THATS IT! No physical benefits, no permanent mental/psychological benefits, and the spiritual benefits…does it guarantee anything? Does it make catholics holier than the rest of us? You eat the supreme being and what do you really get?

Supreme love and understanding, such as this world cannot [or will not] give.

I regret that you are seriously disholusioned if you think that the5re are no physical mental or psychological benefits.

For me the Eucharist not only makes us come alive but also defines who we are.