Really confused about early Church councils

[jonnyws]

as for the Miaphysite and Diphysite issue…Im kind of confused, which one does the Catholic Church believe? what about the Orthodox Church? does Christ have one nature and two wills? how does that work? As for what that means about the nature of the Holy Spirit, that’s kind of beyond me… I don’t understand it. I think it says in Revelation…the river of life flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb…that seems to support the filioque =)

The 4th council (Council of Chalcedon 451) declared that Christ has two natures, human and Divine. Christ is ‘to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son’ [Chalcedonian Creed]

The 6th council (Third Council of Constantinople 680-681) condemned the Monothelitism heresy that claimed Christ only has one will.

The Miaphysites left the Church at the 4th council after disagreeing with the wording of the Chalcedonian Creed (that and they were accused of being Monophysites).

Miaphysites stress that Christ had one nature comprised of both human and divine natures that are unchanged by their union whilst Calcedonians stress two natures that are inseparable in the incarnate Christ. As far as I can read it they both say the same thing but one stresses two natures in unity whilst the other one nature but without mingling.

The Council ruled for two natures, and rightly so in my opinion as it makes Monophysism completely untenable as Christ could not have formed one new divine-human nature if there are still two natures.

However the Miaphysites thought this was a bit to close to Nestorianism and so broke away (or were pushed). Nestorianism was put down by the fifth council and the writing of the Theopaschite Formula so both Monophysism and Nestorianism were refuted but in the process the Church schismed.

 

[4EverHis]

Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are Diaphysite; The Oriental Orthodox are Miaphysite.

ooh I see! so Christ has two natures, that can’t be divided? well then…problem solved I think
thanks!

The 4th council (Council of Chalcedon 451) declared that Christ has two natures, human and Divine. Christ is ‘to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son’ [Chalcedonian Creed]

The 6th council (Third Council of Constantinople 680-681) condemned the Monothelitism heresy that claimed Christ only has one will.

The Miaphysites left the Church at the 4th council after disagreeing with the wording of the Chalcedonian Creed (that and they were accused of being Monophysites).

Miaphysites stress that Christ had one nature comprised of both human and divine natures that are unchanged by their union whilst Calcedonians stress two natures that are inseparable in the incarnate Christ. As far as I can read it they both say the same thing but one stresses two natures in unity whilst the other one nature but without mingling.

The Council ruled for two natures, and rightly so in my opinion as it makes Monophysism completely untenable as Christ could not have formed one new divine-human nature if there are still two natures.

However the Miaphysites thought this was a bit to close to Nestorianism and so broke away (or were pushed). Nestorianism was put down by the fifth council and the writing of the Theopaschite Formula so both Monophysism and Nestorianism were refuted but in the process the Church schismed.

wow thanks for the info!

God bless!

 

[marymol]

catholic.com/thisrock/quickquestions/keyword/papal%20authority/page3

As someone who has not given that much interest to councils and such yet that year 588 has always struck out for its historic significance and hence may be worthwhile to pay special attention .

Seems the papal authority and role was being openly challeneged in that Synod …and the sword of Islam was being readied - with Mohammed turning 18 y.o that same year
( 30 y.o , in yr. 600 A.D !) ; threat of Islam to commingle politics and religion to make them agents of fear , hatred and destruction world over not abating much …

May the intercession of our Bl. Mother and Pope John Paul11 be with us all !

 

[allhers]

All of this is above me, but…I love reading what you all have to say.

I have always loved Icons, the Franciscan Sisters first introduced them to me when I was in grade school, they taught us some of the history, but…I have never been good at that part of our Church, history of any sort has always sort of given me a headache. I am poor at it…

I do remember something about the two lungs of the Church…the differences in regards to
the Filiquoe, Papal Primacy, either I didn’t understand then either, or I just didn’t listen
well, but I do know they asked us to pray that someday we all could be One again. Perhaps that is the one most important thing, afterall.

But the Icons, very beautiful, mysterious, and just take my breath away…being in the
presence of God always comes to mind, whenever I have been near one. They give me pause, and I just need to stop and pray and acknowledge Him when gazing upon them.

Have you ever seen this web site?

www.east2west.org

Here is the link to the frequently asked questions page (questions already answered that you can view)

Ecumenism, which deals with:
Orthodox Claims of Superiority (3 Questions)

Papal Primacy (4 Questions)

Coptic Orthodox Church

Filioque (4 Questions)

Intercommunion

Ecclesiastical Divorces (3 Questions)

Are the Orthodox schismatics?

Orthodox View of Catholic Sacraments

Orthodox Canon of Scripture (3 Questions)

Failed Attempts at Union

Eastern Catholics Being Drawn to Orthodoxy

Zoghby Initiative
east2west.org/ecumenism.htm

This page is about the Filioque
east2west.org/ecumenism.htm#filioque

The above website belongs to Dr. Anthony Dragani, one of the things that he once said made
a lot of sense to me:

“There is no schism in heaven”.

Let’s continue to pray that we all may be One.

(John VIII, your signature stick people made me laugh out loud, that is awesome.)