Really having issues with this...do Protestants go to hell..Catholic view on this?

[PRmerger]

According to scripture, the only per-requisites to get into Heaven is:
1.Faith and belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God; our Savior.
2. Confession of that faith.
3. Baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
4. Live a lives in a manner pleasing to God with a heart of love for our fellow mankind.
5. Realize that God, and only God, makes the decision who goes where? Notice, it’s not the catechism, not our opinions, or anything else. But God who is the only one who sees the heart and knows that person’s relationship with Him at the time of his death. (ie: Judge not lest you be judged)!

What about eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood?

Doesn’t the Bible state that this is a “pre-requisite” to getting into heaven?

What about forgiving other’s sins against us?

Can we get into heaven if we haven’t forgiven those who trespassed against us?

 

[karennascargo3]

What about eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood?

Doesn’t the Bible state that this is a “pre-requisite” to getting into heaven?

Protestants take communion. Many take it weekly as Catholics do. They may not recognize it as physically being the flesh and blood; but they do it in remembrance of Him and that He died on the cross to save them. Again, it goes back to the heart. God looks at the heart. If they aren’t just going through the motions, but genuinely are repenting and considering Christ’s sacrifice, surely God honors that.

 

[PRmerger]

Therefore, there is hope for everyone.

You are correct here.

It isn’t an excuse to avoid the Catholic faith, but in matters where we have loved ones who waiver, there is hope and to destroy that hope for someone who’s heart is breaking in worry that they will see their non-Catholic loved ones in heaven, is not loving. It also would be untruthful to tell them their loved ones won’t be there because they are not Catholic. We should tell them to work toward having the assurance they will be there by leading them to the Church,

Would this also apply if someone were, say, a Muslim? Would it be ok to say that there is hope for our Muslim family member to be in heaven? And we shouldn’t believe that this Muslim won’t be there because he is not Christian?

but we shouldn’t be telling them there’s not much hope for them if they are not Catholic.

Indeed. I think it is very bad form to tell anyone “there’s not much hope” for you if you’re not Christian, or Catholic, or…whatever you’re not that I am.

 

[karennascargo3]

What about forgiving other’s sins against us?

Can we get into heaven if we haven’t forgiven those who trespassed against us?

Non-forgiveness is sin. It goes with the repentance and forgiveness of our sins.

 

[PRmerger]

Protestants take communion.

No, karen.

No Protestant eats His Flesh and drinks His Blood.

And most Protestants would vehemently censure you for asserting that he has eaten flesh and drunk blood.

 

[karennascargo3]

Would this also apply if someone were, say, a Muslim? Would it be ok to say that there is hope for our Muslim family member to be in heaven? And we shouldn’t believe that this Muslim won’t be there because he is not Christian?

That’s a very good question, however, according to the Bible, probably not, because of the absence Jesus Christ. But although scripture indicates “no”, it’s still God’s call.

 

[PRmerger]

Non-forgiveness is sin. It goes with the repentance and forgiveness of our sins.

Fair enough.

 

[PRmerger]

That’s a very good question, however, according to the Bible, probably not, because of the absence Jesus Christ. But although scripture indicates “no”, it’s still God’s call.

Yes, it’s always God’s call (with the caveat that it’s always up to us to accept or reject this call).

But do you see the double standard you’ve set up for yourself?

“I get to say who will ‘probably not’ go to heaven” but if you (or the Catholic Church, or other Catholics here) say someone will ‘probably not’ go to heaven you are judging."

 

[karennascargo3]

No, karen.

No Protestant eats His Flesh and drinks His Blood.

And most Protestants would vehemently censure you for asserting that he has eaten flesh and drunk blood.

You need to read all I said about that. Plus, there is no scripture that says that’s a Heaven prerequisite.

 

[PRmerger]

You need to read all I said about that. Plus, there is no scripture that says that’s a Heaven prerequisite.

What do you think is “eternal life”, karen?

Can one be in heaven without “eternal life”?

Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.–John 6:54

Thus: no Eucharist, no eternal life.

That seems pretty clear from the Bible, doesn’t it?

 

[karennascargo3]

Yes, it’s always God’s call.

But do you see the double standard you’ve set up for yourself?

“I get to say who will ‘probably not’ go to heaven” but if you (or the Catholic Church, or other Catholics here) say someone will ‘probably not’ go to heaven you are judging."

I’m just saying that according to scripture, “probably not”. It’s not my opinion nor am I judging. I’m only saying what scripture itself says is the conclusion. It’s like saying 1+1=2 and the question is, what is the answer to 1+1? If I said 2, I’m giving an answer based on mathematics, not opinion. I could think the right answer would be 4 but I didn’t give that answer. I’m withholding my own opinion (judgment). I’m only stating what the math book says.

 

[PRmerger]

That’s a very good question, however, according to the Bible, probably not, because of the absence Jesus Christ. But although scripture indicates “no”, it’s still God’s call.

Yes, it’s always God’s call (with the caveat that it’s always up to us to accept or reject this call).

But do you see the double standard you’ve set up for yourself?

“I get to say who will ‘probably not’ go to heaven” but if you (or the Catholic Church, or other Catholics here) say someone will ‘probably not’ go to heaven you are judging."

Rather, I think you should choose one position or the other, and not permit for yourself what you object to in others.

So, EITHER say: Yes, it’s entirely within the Good News of the gospel to understand that there may be folks who will not enter heaven because they have rejected some part of the Word of God–so Muslims, Lutherans, atheists, Zoroastrians, who reject His Body, the Catholic Church, may not enter heaven.

OR say: everyone gets into heaven, whether he’s a Muslim, or an atheist, or a Lutheran, or a Zoroastrian, because, well, because we don’t really need Christ or His Body, the Catholic Church.

 

[karennascargo3]

What do you think is “eternal life”, karen?

Can one be in heaven without “eternal life”?

Eternal life is what God grants to those in that prerequisite list from the Bible I was speaking about. If you are in Christ, you have (according to scripture) eternal life. Actually, according to the book of Revelation, Heaven doesn’t even exist yet. Well, at least the one with the pearly gates and streets of Gold. God doesn’t create it until the end of earth.

Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.–John 6:54
That seems pretty clear from the Bible, doesn’t it?
Thus: no Eucharist, no eternal life.

But that’s what I’m saying. It’s apples and oranges. To Protestant, communion is just as important to them as the it is to we Catholics. Whether it is flesh and blood or symbolic wine and bread, it’s still all about Christ and what He did for us. The “heart” of communion isn’t diminished no matter what we take or what we think we are consuming. To a Protestant it still represents the flesh and blood just as much as if it actually were flesh and blood. I think you would have had to be Protestant at one time to understand that. But trust me on this one, it’s just as deep for a Protestant as it is for a Catholic. It reaches to both of our heart of hearts. And isn’t that were God judges?

 

[PRmerger]

I’m just saying that according to scripture, “probably not”. It’s not my opinion nor am I judging. I’m only saying what scripture itself says is the conclusion. It’s like saying 1+1=2 and the question is, what is the answer to 1+1? If I said 2, I’m giving an answer based on mathematics, not opinion. I could think the right answer would be 4 but I didn’t give that answer. I’m withholding my own opinion (judgment). I’m only stating what the math book says.

Why, then, do you have a problem with Catholics saying, regarding non-Catholic Christians, that according to the kerymga, probably not. It’s not their opinion nor are they judging. They are only saying what the Word of God itself says is the conclusion. It’s like saying 1+1=2 and the question is, what is the answer to 1+1? If they said 2, they’re giving an answer based on mathematics, not opinion. They could think the right answer would be 4 but they didn’t give that answer. They are withholding their own opinion (judgment). They’re only stating what the math book says.

 

[PRmerger]

But that’s what I’m saying. It’s apples and oranges. To Protestant, communion is just as important to them as the it is to we Catholics.

And to Muslims their Koran is just as important to them as the Bible is to Christians.

Whether it is flesh and blood or symbolic wine and bread, it’s still all about Christ and what He did for us.

Whether it’s actually the words of God, or just some really inspiring and pretty poetry, it’s all about God and what God did for us: both Muslims and Christians agree that there is just One God and He is the Just Creator of the Universe, right?

The “heart” of communion isn’t diminished no matter what we take or what we think we are consuming. To a Protestant it still represents the flesh and blood just as much as if it actually were flesh and blood.

Well,* some *Protestants may think it represents the flesh and blood. Some don’t.

Protestantism is a behemoth of different ideas, so it’s nearly impossible to say what a Protestant believes, and make it representative of Protestantism.

And I think what you’re describing about Protestants really finding deep meaning in the distribution of grape juice and crackers is a bit overstated.

 

[karennascargo3]

Rather, I think you should choose one position or the other, and not permit for yourself what you object to in others.

So, EITHER say: Yes, it’s entirely within the Good News of the gospel to understand that there may be folks who will not enter heaven because they have rejected some part of the Word of God–so Muslims, Lutherans, atheists, Zoroastrians, who reject His Body, the Catholic Church, may not enter heaven.

OR say: everyone gets into heaven, whether he’s a Muslim, or an atheist, or a Lutheran, or a Zoroastrian, because, well, because we don’t really need Christ or His Body, the Catholic Church.

I think you’re misunderstand what I’m saying. I’m not judging whatsoever. Goodness no! I’m only offering what scripture says. I didn’t write that scripture, I’m only repeating what it says. It’s not from my own opinion. To say what you would have me say one way or another would be judging and I’m not judging whatsoever since it isn’t my call to make. We don’t know who God himself is going to let in and who he isn’t. So none of us can say definitively one way or another.

 

[PRmerger]

I think you’re misunderstand what I’m saying. I’m not judging whatsoever.

And neither is anyone else here.

Goodness no! I’m only offering what scripture says. I didn’t write that scripture, I’m only repeating what it says. It’s not from my own opinion.

We are only repeating what the Word of God says, karen. It’s not from our own opinion.

We don’t know who God himself is going to let in and who he isn’t.

This is very Catholic!

So none of us can say definitively one way or another.

True. But what we can say, and MUST say, is that if someone is in heaven it’s ONLY because of Jesus and His Body, the Catholic Church.

 

[karennascargo3]

And to Muslims their Koran is just as important to them as the Bible is to Christians.

Whether it’s actually the words of God, or just some really inspiring and pretty poetry, it’s all about God and what God did for us: both Muslims and Christians agree that there is just One God and He is the Just Creator of the Universe, right?

Well,* some *Protestants my think it represents the flesh and blood. Some don’t.

Protestantism is a behemoth of different ideas, so it’s nearly impossible to say what a Protestant believes, and make it representative of Protestantism.

And I think what you’re describing about Protestants really finding deep meaning in the distribution of grape juice and crackers is a bit overstated.

With all due respect, your twisting what I am saying and don’t understand at all what Protestants believe. This isn’t a game, this is thread was something someone had on their heart that was bothering them. I choose to post because I felt they needed some hope that the scriptures themselves gives.

Therefore, in order to not turn this into a sparing game nor create a sense of unbrotherly love and debate rather than a mutual discussion, I’m going to bow out of the conversation. Peace and love.

 

[PRmerger]

With all due respect, your twisting what I am saying and don’t understand at all what Protestants believe. This isn’t a game, this is thread was something someone had on their heart that was bothering them. I choose to post because I felt they needed some hope that the scriptures themselves gives.

Therefore, in order to not turn this into a sparing game nor create a sense of unbrotherly love and debate rather than a mutual discussion, I’m going to bow out of the conversation. Let peace and love.

Fair enough.

However, it’s curious that you would come to a forum, a Catholic forum, post something that is a bit off regarding the Faith, and then not expect a refutation.

The entire point of coming to a forum is so we can discuss, debate, discourse and dialogue.

And if one’s views cannot stand up to scrutiny, then perhaps it is a good time for someone to re-evaluate one’s position.

 

[PRmerger]

According to scripture, the only per-requisites to get into Heaven is:
1.Faith and belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God; our Savior.
2. Confession of that faith.
3. Baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
4. Live a lives in a manner pleasing to God with a heart of love for our fellow mankind.
5. Realize that God, and only God, makes the decision who goes where? Notice, it’s not the catechism, not our opinions, or anything else. But God who is the only one who sees the heart and knows that person’s relationship with Him at the time of his death. (ie: Judge not lest you be judged)!

Incidentally, here’s how Catholics profess we are saved:

By believing in Christ (Jn 3:16; Acts 16:31)

By repentance (Acts 2:38; 2 Pet 3:9)

By baptism (Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Titus 3:5)

By eating his flesh and drinking his blood (Jn 6)

By the work of the Spirit (Jn 3:5; 2 Cor 3:6)

By declaring with our mouths (Lk 12:8; Rom 10:9)

By coming to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)

By works (Rom 2:6-7; James 2:24)

By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)

By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)

By his righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)

By keeping the commandments (Matt 19:17)

By our words (Matt 12:37)

By feeding the hungry and clothing the naked (Matt: 25:42)

By forgiving our debtors (Matt 6:12)