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Giggly_Giraffe
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What are the top ten reasons society should incarcerate a person for greater than 10 years?
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Allegra
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I would say, any crime where you exhert your will on someone else by physical force. That would include murder, rape, abduction, and assault. I think most theft should also qualify. I used to work in a fast food restaurant and someone broke in and robbed the place. He was caught and he only got three months. (Two and a half of which he served before he was sentenced!) I thought that was really unjust. He should have served at least a year or two. I’m sure he’s already knocked over several other places. 
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rfournier103
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These are the 10 that immediately came to mind. After the first two, they are in no particular order.
- Treason
- First degree murder
- Aggravated assault and battery causing permanent serious bodilly injury
- Kidnapping
- Smuggling, distributing, or selling large amounts of illegal drugs
- Producing, distributing, or possessing pronogrophy featuring subjects under 18 years of age
- Forcible rape of a minor under the age of 18
- Animal cruelty
- Vehicular homicide (for example: drunk driving resulting in a death)
- Armed robbery
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adrift
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Your list is good accept for number 8 which I would change to the death of a child. We had a case here where a parent who beat a child to death and got 18 months where a dog was shot and the person got ten years. Animal cruelty should not = ten years. Fines and taking away the right to own animals or be around them should be sufficient.
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april32010
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#1) abortion (procuring and committing)
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rfournier103
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As I said, there could be more than ten. Murder of a child should NEVER result in an 18 month sentence. I know I said “first degree murder”, but murder of a child would be included in the murder category. As for animal cruelty, I happen to be very sensitive to that. Penalties for animal cruelty should certainly be severe. They are living creatures with real feelings and have no voice to speak with and next to no rights. ANYONE who mistreats an animal gets a first-class one-way ticket to my you-know-what list. When I actually SEE someone mistreating an animal, I completely lose my self-control. I can tell you their day gets a whole lot worse from there. I have ZERO tolerance for that.
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Swiss_Guy
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- 1st degree Murder
- Rape
- Kidnapping
- Assault
- Sodomy
- Child abuse
- Pornography related things
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Bill_7154
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I’d like to respond in a different way and suggest that probation could be used more than it is now, or house arrest where people are allowed to work. This way some offenders (more than at present) could be supervised while living in the community which would be less costly and if they were to work they would also be contributing to society.
Top reasons:
Murder, rape, sexual molestation of a minor, armed home invasion, kidnapping, violent beating to the extent where the person suffers very serious injury, attempted murder, conspiracy to commit murder, armed robbery where someone was shot or stabbed, serious child abuse.
Those are the top 10 that come to mind. I’m curious to read the thread and see what others have to say.
edited in: I would also include human trafficking for the intention of sexual exploitation, especially if the person is a minor (although this could fall under kidnapping or sexual abuse of a minor or serious child abuse but think it should be included even for those over 18).
Also, on the other end of the spectrum, where I say that probation and house arrest should be used more, I am also in favor of more severe punnishement for those who commit heinous crimes such as these should not only get long jail sentences, I think that forced hard labor should be part of the program for offenders such as these in many/some/most cases where they do 10hrs/day 6 days week or hard labor such as in Cool Hand Luke where they worked on a chain gang. They could do labor that would benefit society which would be in a way making some sort of restitution to society overall, as well as serve as some sort of a start to rehabilitation (for most people who commit very serious crimes I don’t think ‘talk therapy groups’ or engaging in the taking of GED classes or college classes is the way to start their rehabilitation. Forced hard labor where society gets some benefit out of it (rather than just breaking big rocks into small rocks).
God Bless,
Bill
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didymus
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I’ve never understood why vehicular homicide is different from any other killing. I am always enraged when I see someone getting off with maybe 3-5 (maybe less) after killing someone.
Funny you should mention that.
There’s a case locally of three abused puppies left on the train tracks and you wouldn’t believe the hue and cry. There is a $7,000 reward for information leading to the arrest, &.
A couple years ago the Rennselaer Co. (Troy, NY) DA started an animal cruelty unit, she said her office gets more outraged calls about abused animals than murdered children.
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Cat
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I wonder if one reason why society finds animal cruelty so heinous is because many serial killers have a history of abusing animals.
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Bill_7154
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I don’t think so either, I think it’s because they are more or less defenseless (given a prepared human adult intent on abusing them) much like children are defenseless against abuse.
Animal abuse doesn’t make my top 10 (or 20) though, a lot more crimes against humans are going to be on the list before animal abuse.
God Bless,
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Deo_Gratias42
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He was given credit for time served in jail while on pre-trial before he was even proven guilty. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by an unbiased judge/jury. By right, there must be sufficient reason to deprive someone of their right to liberty. Why should someone serve time in jail before proven guilty, and serve their additional sentence on top of that?I would say, any crime where you exhert your will on someone else by physical force. That would include murder, rape, abduction, and assault. I think most theft should also qualify. I used to work in a fast food restaurant and someone broke in and robbed the place. He was caught and he only got three months. (Two and a half of which he served before he was sentenced!) I thought that was really unjust. He should have served at least a year or two. I’m sure he’s already knocked over several other places.
FYI: Unless someone has a long history of theft there is no real good reason to keep them in jail.
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AndyF
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Item # 1 needs closer study.
I’ve seen nations do questionable things at times, and we all know due to compounding of collective sin by refusing to submit to the teaching Authority of the Church. Germany during WW2 as a whole did not deserve allegiance by it’s citizens. Treason is unique in that it holds the citizen accountable for not establishing in his principles a loyalty to the nation, and of course commiting an act against it. The nation we note does not assist this struggle placed on the citizen by a promise to a code of conduct, whereby it releases the responsibility from the citizen if it should sin. It demands allegiance even when it suffers a period of sin, even capital in some cases.
Even virtuous parents do as much, and do not fault their children for wavering support at all times, but only if they live righteous lives.
Coincidentally, the crime issue itself presents a reason why allegiance is not altogether warranted. A person charged with a misdemeanor that for 50 years has never been unconditionally* expunged, now resides in a new personal state. It is in effect for him an exile in his own country. A permanent exile for all intents and purposes is a loss of citizenship. (The constitution ensures he has equal rights, which correctly are made inactive for a time while in a state of sentencing. Permanent sentencing is then a proclamation of his non-citizenship, as it effects a permanent removal of his rights. It is to be remebered the punishment is required to reform the individual to a proper citizen. There are no grades or classes of citizenship in the constitution. I think it was Joe Lewis who puzzled those of that belief after agreeing to fight the Nazis. Others may remember the event and what he said.)
And now the problem. Such loss effects a loss of citizen liberties, but establishes some unique ones for him as well, and creates a unique position. He is now his own nation or individual, his choice. He can establish his own diplomatic preferences. He no longer is bound to allegiance to the country. He is a foreigner at large. This problem hits home to the nation typically when men are required to fight to, …ironically “ensure the enemy does not win which would thereby impose lessor rights on the citizens”.
Here we see a placating and bargaining where the nation hypocritically offers him a clearing of his record, release from prison,etc in exchange for his fighting.
So that’s my point in brief.
**Item #3 **- I would say dependent on the degree of injury. A scratch warrants a week in jail,etc
I’ve seen nations do questionable things at times, and we all know due to compounding of collective sin by refusing to submit to the teaching Authority of the Church. Germany during WW2 as a whole did not deserve allegiance by it’s citizens. Treason is unique in that it holds the citizen accountable for not establishing in his principles a loyalty to the nation, and of course commiting an act against it. The nation we note does not assist this struggle placed on the citizen by a promise to a code of conduct, whereby it releases the responsibility from the citizen if it should sin. It demands allegiance even when it suffers a period of sin, even capital in some cases.
Even virtuous parents do as much, and do not fault their children for wavering support at all times, but only if they live righteous lives.
Coincidentally, the crime issue itself presents a reason why allegiance is not altogether warranted. A person charged with a misdemeanor that for 50 years has never been unconditionally* expunged, now resides in a new personal state. It is in effect for him an exile in his own country. A permanent exile for all intents and purposes is a loss of citizenship. (The constitution ensures he has equal rights, which correctly are made inactive for a time while in a state of sentencing. Permanent sentencing is then a proclamation of his non-citizenship, as it effects a permanent removal of his rights. It is to be remebered the punishment is required to reform the individual to a proper citizen. There are no grades or classes of citizenship in the constitution. I think it was Joe Lewis who puzzled those of that belief after agreeing to fight the Nazis. Others may remember the event and what he said.)
And now the problem. Such loss effects a loss of citizen liberties, but establishes some unique ones for him as well, and creates a unique position. He is now his own nation or individual, his choice. He can establish his own diplomatic preferences. He no longer is bound to allegiance to the country. He is a foreigner at large. This problem hits home to the nation typically when men are required to fight to, …ironically “ensure the enemy does not win which would thereby impose lessor rights on the citizens”.
Here we see a placating and bargaining where the nation hypocritically offers him a clearing of his record, release from prison,etc in exchange for his fighting.So that’s my point in brief.
**Item #3 **- I would say dependent on the degree of injury. A scratch warrants a week in jail,etc
- God expects all entities to forgive unconditionally.
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april32010
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what are you talking about?Item # 1 needs closer study.
I’ve seen nations do questionable things at times, and we all know due to compounding of collective sin by refusing to submit to the teaching Authority of the Church. Germany during WW2 as a whole did not deserve allegiance by it’s citizens. Treason is unique in that it holds the citizen accountable for not establishing in his principles a loyalty to the nation, and of course commiting an act against it. The nation we note does not assist this struggle placed on the citizen by a promise to a code of conduct, whereby it releases the responsibility from the citizen if it should sin. It demands allegiance even when it suffers a period of sin, even capital in some cases.
Even virtuous parents do as much, and do not fault their children for wavering support at all times, but only if they live righteous lives.
Coincidentally, the crime issue itself presents a reason why allegiance is not altogether warranted. A person charged with a misdemeanor that for 50 years has never been unconditionally* expunged, now resides in a new personal state. It is in effect for him an exile in his own country. A permanent exile for all intents and purposes is a loss of citizenship. (The constitution ensures he has equal rights, which correctly are made inactive for a time while in a state of sentencing. Permanent sentencing is then a proclamation of his non-citizenship, as it effects a permanent removal of his rights. It is to be remebered the punishment is required to reform the individual to a proper citizen. There are no grades or classes of citizenship in the constitution. I think it was Joe Lewis who puzzled those of that belief after agreeing to fight the Nazis. Others may remember the event and what he said.)
And now the problem. Such loss effects a loss of citizen liberties, but establishes some unique ones for him as well, and creates a unique position. He is now his own nation or individual, his choice. He can establish his own diplomatic preferences. He no longer is bound to allegiance to the country. He is a foreigner at large. This problem hits home to the nation typically when men are required to fight to, …ironically “ensure the enemy does not win which would thereby impose lessor rights on the citizens”.
So that’s my point in brief.
**Item #3 **- I would say dependent on the degree of injury. A scratch warrants a week in jail,etc
- God expects all entities to forgive unconditionally.
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Bradski
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Anal sex is worse than child abuse? What the…?
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DaveBj
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I’m all for jail time for crimes of violence against people, but what about economic crimes? If I steal money from you, I should have to pay you back, with a penalty; under the Old Testament system, I think the penalty was 20%.
I believe the penalty for theft should be some sort of incarceration, with the person doing paid word, and 95% of the salary going to the people from whom the person stole, until the amount of the theft is paid off. The incarceration might not be jail, but the perp’s movements should definitely be limited.
Some bankers would be “in jail” for a lo-o-o-ong time.
I believe the penalty for theft should be some sort of incarceration, with the person doing paid word, and 95% of the salary going to the people from whom the person stole, until the amount of the theft is paid off. The incarceration might not be jail, but the perp’s movements should definitely be limited.
Some bankers would be “in jail” for a lo-o-o-ong time.
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starshiptrooper
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- unjustifiable homicide that is not murder
- rape/sexual assault
- kidnapping
- assault
- human trafficking
- child abuse
- armed robbery
- theft involving large amounts of money
- drunk driving for the third time or drunk driving which caused someone else to get hurt
- assisting illegal aliens
I strongly disagree with those who think that porn should be outlawed. Free speech is a good thing. I don’t think homsexual behaviour should be outlawed either. The state’s responsibility is the protection of rights; how does homosexual behaviour between two consenting adults infringe on another person’s rights?
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