Reasons I've found to return to the Catholic Church

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Because it might entail putting my faith in my works and not in Christ. The fear of not being perfected in charity at the time of death might cause me to do the works merely to avoid punishment, to appease God’s wrath, when only Christ’s blood can do that.
But of course you will not die perfected in charity, unless you are one in a million (billion?). That is when God’s final mercy, his final gift of perfection will be granted to you.

Can I just offer this, as a Catholic? I don’t even begin to think in the terms you describe. I don’t even begin to think in terms of “building up my account.” I think in terms of thankfulness for God’s gifts and his grace, and through his grace I seek (rather poorly!) to become what he intends of me. That includes the self-donation, the self-sacrifice we call “works.” I desire them because God desires them of me, because God desire that I concretely love both him and my neighbor. That is not to say they come easily, and I defy anybody who says they do (as Protestants often argue). True love of other does not come easily to our fallen natures, but it can be willed, and I will it.
 
Koineman, I thought of an example of how we cooperate with God’s grace that may be helpful to you (I hope). When we go to the doctor’s office for routine tests what do we do? We roll up our sleeve for the blood pressure test, we sit still while blood is drawn, we breath deeply, in and out while the doctor uses the stethescope. So, what part of that made us medical experts who rely on our own abilities? I think you see the point. When we cooperate with God’s grace we simply say, as Jesus did in the Garden and Mary at the Annunciation, “Thy will be done.” We let God use us and fill us with his grace. That’s all. Any good things we do for God are done through his grace and his grace alone, we merely cooperate.
 
I think you have a good point, and the answer is yes: I would live a life of faith and works in either case. There could be a difference in the long run, though. If the CC position ultimately leads me to lean more on my own faithfulness/cooperation with grace than on the redemptive work of Christ, then that would be a problem. I’m not saying that would happen for sure, but it’s something I’m concerned about.
I think this would help you immensely in your question/concern here:

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0091.html

From which I will quote/cite:

On the one hand, as an Evangelical Protestant, I had firm convictions about the finished work of Jesus Christ; that He accomplished our redemption on the cross. Those convictions I still hold fast to. Every Christian, every Catholic must. The work of our redemption is accomplished. It is finished. But the application of that redemptive work of Christ by the Holy Spirit is another matter, one that I did not really come to grips with because it involves suffering which nobody wants to come to grips with — either suffering in this life or suffering afterwards to expiate or to repay or to provide restitution for the effects of sin.

But that distinction is going to be crucial from the beginning of our time today until the end — that Christ has accomplished our redemption. It’s over and done with. He has finished it. But then He sends the Holy Spirit to apply it, and the application of redemption is just as essential.

Furthermore, we’ve got to clarify the fact that it is not to make up for Christ’s unfinished work. I’ve already said that, but that, too, is a common misconception that continually needs clarification. There’s nothing inadequate about the work of Christ. It’s finished, but it needs to be applied…The essence of Christianity is Christ reproducing His life, His suffering, His death and then His resurrection in glory in us. That is the essence of Christianity…We are called to share in Christ’s suffering so that we could share in His glory. Some of us take short cuts, don’t we? But God will not abandon us because He loves us immature children too much, just the way we are, but too much to let us stay that way…The more suffering that you endure in faith and hope and charity, the more God’s love is being revealed to you…hat’s what it means to be united in him. That’s what the whole significance of our baptism is. Paul says in Romans 6 that because we have been baptized, we have died to sin. When James and John brought their mother to kind of lobby for the right and the left seats in glory, he said, “Are you willing to be baptized with the baptism with which I have to be baptized?” So what did He associate baptism with? An ordeal of suffering. Christ said, “I come to baptize with fire.” I’ve got to tell you, a lot of people are making salvation out to be heavenly welfare. No wonder it sells. I could fill a church in a matter of months, it I was preaching nothing but welfare from heaven for nothing we do. We don’t have to suffer. We don’t have to work. We don’t have to obey. We should, but we don’t have to. That’s wrong, but it will sell in this century and in every age.

Nobody is going to say, “Christ has died on the cross; therefore, we don’t need faith.” Of course we need faith. Well, if we need faith, is it because Christ’s work isn’t finished? After all, He says, “It is finished.” Why do we need faith? We’re all saved. Nobody says that. Even non-Catholics say, “We have to have at least faith.” Well, if we have to have anything besides the cross of Christ, if we have to have personal faith, and that doesn’t undermine the work of Christ, then we have to ask, why? Well, it’s because the Holy Spirit gives us faith and then hope and then charity and the capacity to sacrifice and suffer. And how crucial it is that we willingly cooperate with that grace…Now does he mean that Christ died a little too quickly? He needed a few more hours? No. It means that Christ’s suffering and death must be reproduced and filled up in the Church and if some are slacking off, that means others must become more like victim-souls, willing to bear a greater burden, willing to shoulder with love, as Galatians 5 speaks about the love, “Love bears one another’s burdens.” …

Now what does this mean, that Christ has not paid for our sin? Of course not. It doesn’t mean that. Christ has paid once and for all for our sin. His death is the ultimate satisfaction and price for our redemption, **but His life and His death must be lived out in us. That’s why we need to pick up our cross, and we need to imitate Christ. Did you catch that? We don’t suffer because Christ’s sufferings weren’t enough. We suffer because Christ’s life must be reproduced in us. It is finished. It is accomplished, but now it must be applied. **The work of the third person of the Holy Spirit is New Testament history, is personal history.
 
Here are some problems that you may want to consider, all problems the reformers had with Holy Mother Church.
  1. The Church’s decisions on keeping Scripture out of the laities hands’.
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Perhaps you should read “Where We Got the Bible… Our Debt to the Catholic Church” by Graham. You will see that the Catholic Church was constantly translating the bible into the language of the laity up until the reformation. During the reformation, there was a pause because so many poor translation were being produced the Church temporarily asked the faithful the refrain from reading the Bible as it could not condemn the poor translations fast enough.

See for example
vernacularbibles.blogspot.com/p/panel-two-history-and-current-state-of.html

jhsonline.org/cocoon/JHS/a115.html
 
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