Reasons to be both Catholic and Protestant

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I’m currently in RCIA and one of the major authors who helped me come this far was Peter Kreeft. I found this strange video which does not seem like the normal Kreeft in which he promotes a general little “c” catholicism which includes both the RCC and protestant churches. The video is a general discussion on the Church with a strange Angel siting at the end of the video. What think ye?

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youtube.com/watch?v=zH2CVBQLNpQ
 
My husband is CoC and we worship as much as possible together. He goes to Mass with me and I go to his church service. We’ve been doing this for 20 years now.

I was really hoping to love this! I truly believe we have a lot we could profit from one another, and that unity will make us stronger to fight the evil in this world. I wasn’t impressed. It felt to me that PK was trying to find common ground, but the other guy…not so much. It came off (IMO) of making the Catholic side look weak and…idk, maybe unneccasry.
 
I don’t think you can be both. Its either one or the other, not both.
 
Michael68 said:
I don’t think you can be both. Its either one or the other, not both.
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This is true when it comes to belonging but we can be better at what we are which is what I think some of our non-Catholic brothers can show some of us Catholics.

Peace!!!
 
Michael68 said:
I don’t think you can be both. Its either one or the other, not both.
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This was my first thought also but thinking it through a bit more I believe it comes down to practicing. A practicing Protestant who was baptized Catholic is still a Catholic, just not a practicing one or a well formed one.
 
The root of the word Protestant is protest. What are they protesting? The Catholic Church. So as I see it, you can’t be what you are protesting against.
 
Michael68 said:
The root of the word Protestant is protest. What are they protesting? The Catholic Church. So as I see it, you can’t be what you are protesting against.
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No. The root of the word protestant was a formal protest issued at the Second Diet of Speyer in 1529. It was a protest against civil authorities, not the Catholic Church. At least not directly. The Second Diet of Speyer intended to limit religious activity of the evangelical Catholics and others.

Anglicans were not a party to the protest at all, because they were not under the same rulers.

Evangelical Catholics (Lutherans) never gave up the title of Catholic.

Jon
 
Would this be an example of someone that might be “lukewarm”???
 
USMC_Convert said:
Would this be an example of someone that might be “lukewarm”???
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No. There are numerous groups of Catholics that are not in communion with the Bishop or Rome. All Orthodox, AFAIK, would consider themselves Catholic. I can’t imagine someone considering them “lukewarm”. Same with those western communions who consider themselves Catholic, or catholic, and confess the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
No. There are numerous groups of Catholics that are not in communion with the Bishop or Rome. All Orthodox, AFAIK, would consider themselves Catholic. I can’t imagine someone considering them “lukewarm”. Same with those western communions who consider themselves Catholic, or catholic, and confess the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Jon
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But they consider themselves Catholic, not Catholic and Protestant. Would it not be better to either consider yourself Catholic or Protestant? It’s an interesting question, what constitutes “lukewarm”???
 
I don’t believe this is about trying to be Catholic and Protestant. It is about what are the benefits of being Catholic. What are the benefits of Protestantism.

If we took the best of Protestantism, the best of Catholicism and put it together what might we have. Maybe a Catholic Mass were people joyfully participate rather than wondering how much longer they had to sit there. Maybe more people leaving a :Catholic Mass and smiling at others around them and getting to know one another a little rather than a stampede to the parking lot. 🤷

Disclaimer:
There are some things Protestants seem to do as a whole better than us Catholics do as a whole. I know many Catholics do joyfully participate in the Mass and are friendly when leaving Mass.
 
Well in some respects if you took the best of Catholicism and protestantism you would have Anglicanism.
 
USMC_Convert said:
But they consider themselves Catholic, not Catholic and Protestant. Would it not be better to either consider yourself Catholic or Protestant? It’s an interesting question, what constitutes “lukewarm”???
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Well, I have always considered myself Catholic, too. Lutherans who know their teaching do.
I’m still learning Anglicanism, but my sense is the same is true here.

Jon
 
In my opinion, the best of Protestantism for a Catholic is to realize that God’s Grace is the root of everything we do. I was brought up in a Catholic neighborhood, in a Catholic school and never knew what a Protestant was till I got to college and even then didn’t KNOW what a Protestant was. And I have to admit I thought I my salvation was based on how good I was.

Coming to understand what a Protestant is, made me dig into my Catholic faith better, and challenged me in some areas where I was lacking, placing TOO much emphasis on my works for example. Pulled me out of the Baltimore Catechism and into the Bible.

I don’t think the two are as far apart as many portray. Yes there are aspects of Protestantism I naturally disagree with, or I wouldn’t be Catholic, but if each side took more time to really understand the other instead of the stereotypes, I think it would be helpful from whatever the side toy sit on. I mean its not like Democrats and Republicans !
 
Just for clarification, there are more branches to the Christian faith than what many of you call ‘Catholic’ and ‘Protestant.’ Sometimes I feel that Roman Catholics assume anyone who isn’t Catholic is in this big group of people called Protestants. Not so, friends, not so.

There are non-Romans who are Catholics.
There are Anglicans
There are Eastern Orthodox
There are Mormons
There are Society of Friends
There are Swedenborgians
etc, etc. etc

There are many others who are followers of Christ - Christians - and are not considered Protestant. And, as a side note, a Protestant is almost a meaningless term. The scope is very wide indeed.

Could we perhaps be more precise in our language?
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Just for clarification, there are more branches to the Christian faith than what many of you call ‘Catholic’ and ‘Protestant.’ Sometimes I feel that Roman Catholics assume anyone who isn’t Catholic is in this big group of people called Protestants. Not so, friends, not so.

There are non-Romans who are Catholics.
There are Anglicans
There are Eastern Orthodox
There are Mormons
There are Society of Friends
There are Swedenborgians
etc, etc. etc

There are many others who are followers of Christ - Christians - and are not considered Protestant. And, as a side note, a Protestant is almost a meaningless term. The scope is very wide indeed.

Could we perhaps be more precise in our language?
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What do you suggest?
 
Michael68 said:
What do you suggest?
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If you don’t know the specific branch, perhaps use the term ‘non-Roman Catholic’. Sometimes I will refer to a Christian as a Reformed Christian or evangelical or a liturgical Christian. Mormons are pretty easy to identify.
 
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