Reasons why Mormonism is false.

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  1. There are 4 crops mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
Barley (Moses 7:22, 9:9, Alma 11:7, 15)
Figs (3 Nephi 14:16)
Grapes (2 Nephi 15:2, 4, 3 Nephi 14:16)
Wheat (Moses 9:9, 3 Nephi 18:18)

There **is no independent (non-Mormon) archeological evidence **that Figs, Grapes, or Wheat existed in the area and time frame of Ancient America.

Book of Mormon Animals:

There are 16 animals and animal products mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
Bull
Calf
Cattle
Cow
Butter
Elephants
Milk
Flocks
Goat (The Nephites claimed to have found the domestic goat.)
Herds
Horse (The horse plays a major role in the Nephite and Lamanite societies.)
Ox
Sheep (This was a major animal in the Book of Mormon.)
Sow
Swine

There is no **independent (non-Mormon) archeological evidence **that any of these existed in the area and time frame of The Book of Mormon.

Book of Mormon Metals:

The following metals, metal products, or metal manufacturing are mentioned in the Book of Mormon record.

Bellows
Brass
Breast Plates
Chains
Copper
Iron
Ore (mining)
Plows
Silver
Swords (metal)
Steel

Independent (non-Mormon) archeological evidence shows that none of these were manufactured or used in the area and time frame of 2 Nephi 5. The Smithsonian Institution’s Dept. Of Anthropology declares the Americas did not have steel or horses before 1492. The Book of Mormon (600 B.C. to 421 A.D.) claims both steel (1 Nephi 4:9) and horses (Alma 18:9). Gordon H. Fraser, anthropologist and ethnologist, agrees with the Smithsonian Institution and adds that copper (Mosiah 8:10) was unknown at that early date as referred to in the Book of Mormon.

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Archeological and historical summary:
  1. No Book of Mormon cities have been located.
  2. No Book of Mormon names have been found in New World inscriptions.
  3. No genuine inscriptions have been found in Hebrew in America.
  4. No genuine inscriptions have been found in America in Egyptian or anything similar to Egyptian, which could correspond to Joseph Smith’s ‘reformed Egyptian.’
  5. No ancient copies of Book of Mormon scriptures have been found.
  6. No ancient inscriptions of any kind in America which indicate that the ancient inhabitants had Hebrew or Christian beliefs have been found.
  7. No mention of Book of Mormon persons, nations, or places have been found.
  8. No artifacts of any kind which demonstrates the Book of Mormon is true has been found.
  9. Rather than finding supportive evidence, Mormon scholars have been forced to retreat from traditional interpretations of Book of Mormon statements.
Archaeology and the Book of Mormon by Hal Hougey, p. 12

Source: whatismormonism.com/

Conclusion: Mormonism is not from God its from man name John Smith.
 
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My only beef is my penchant for not liking short numbered lists as they always seem to set up straw men. This may not be the case here, but it always seems to be the case.
 
After reading that site, I can’t believe a Mormon would still be Mormon. If their are any Mormons, would you please look at the site referenced in thread #2 and comment on any of the allegations. If you have been instructed to not read stuff like this, you can bet you are being duped. I have viewed many anti-Catholic sites, researched the material and found the truth from actual historical records. I challenge any Mormon to look at it. For crying out loud, explain!!!
 
Pjs2ejs said:
After reading that site, I can’t believe a Mormon would still be Mormon. If their are any Mormons, would you please look at the site referenced in thread #2 and comment on any of the allegations. If you have been instructed to not read stuff like this, you can bet you are being duped. I have viewed many anti-Catholic sites, researched the material and found the truth from actual historical records. I challenge any Mormon to look at it. For crying out loud, explain!!!
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They cannot explain. The mormon church has spent millions of dollars and years of investigation in an attempt to prove that even SOME references in the BOM are true. They have failed. Simply because the BOM and the mormon religion is the product of Joseph Smith’s imagination. Full stop. We don’t even have to mention “Reformed Egyptian” do we?
 
It’s odd that many convert to this false religion and believe it to be truth but it isn’t.

I heard there are more Mormons outside the US. The range I believe is about 12 million.
 
I remember hearing an interview with this lady about when mormon missionaries came to her door and it went somethin like this:

“they came up to my door and started talkin about this crazy white boy, some dead angel, and some golden plates…i was thinkin…mmmmhhhhmmm I wonder what they been smokin”

😃

P.S., Ironically I believe she later became a mormon:shrug:
 
CarlosG said:
I remember hearing an interview with this lady about when mormon missionaries came to her door and it went somethin like this:

“they came up to my door and started talkin about this crazy white boy, some dead angel, and some golden plates…i was thinkin…mmmmhhhhmmm I wonder what they been smokin”

😃

P.S., Ironically I believe she later became a mormon:shrug:
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That reminds me of one of the people highlighted in the recent PBS two-part program on the Mormons. I’m pretty sure this is the lady you’re referring to, and the source of that saying.

I’m doing a lot of reading these days out of Mormon materials (avoiding non- and anti-Mormon materials as much as possible, hoping to balance out my knowledge as I proceed). The Mormon materials have a beguiling aspect to them that helps me to understand how people can be drawn into the Mormon religion. Maybe this is nothing more than the effects of propaganda. I’m a pretty hard-sell anymore, but am still affected by reading the bios of important Mormons. These were/are some really impressive people. IMO the religion is a mess if for no other reason than that it leads people away from unity with the Catholic Church. But no one can deny that Mormonism has given rise to some very interesting people (or rather very interesting people have given rise to Mormonism?), and that this is an impressive feature of the religion that is used to help sell it to people like this lady in the PBS story, who initially was very skeptical.
 
Does anyone know about the forgery of the Mormon document in the 1980s that said that Smith was told by a magical salamander?

The LDS church beleived it and almost accepted it as document, until it was shown to be a forgery.
 
I think it even more telling that the BoM doesn’t mention any of the things that we now know existed in that time/place. We don’t see the crops or animals that WERE domesticated being mentioned nor do we see the civilizations that we know existed being mentioned or described in it.
 
Boxerdog said:
Does anyone know about the forgery of the Mormon document in the 1980s that said that Smith was told by a magical salamander?

The LDS church beleived it and almost accepted it as document, until it was shown to be a forgery.
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Yes, this was the so-called “White Salamander” document. The mormon church has always been vulnerable to hoaxes and forgeries because of their interest in either “faith promoting” documents, that tend to show mormonism in a favorable light or documents that expose mormon fakery or embarrassing facts about mormon leaders. These documents are snapped up by the mormon leadership and suppressed, so that it does not become known to the faithful. Con men and forgers have made a lot of money off the mormon church in this way.
 
Boxerdog said:
Does anyone know about the forgery of the Mormon document in the 1980s that said that Smith was told by a magical salamander?

The LDS church beleived it and almost accepted it as document, until it was shown to be a forgery.
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This probably is the White Salamander Letter. This was a forgery supposedly written in 1830 by Martin Harris to W.W. Phelps. The LDS church acquired the forged document from the criminal Mark Hoffman via Steven Christiansen, a Mormon bishop and acquaintance of Hoffman. They paid $40,000 for it. They must’ve wanted to suppress what was in the letter, because it stated that Joseph Jr. was led to the BoM by a seer stone, and there he found a “magic white salamander” instead of the Angel Moroni.

The scam started coming unraveled when Hoffman planted a homemade shrapnel bomb outside Christiansen’s office in Salt Lake. When Christiansen opened it, he was killed. Later the same day, another Hoffman device exploded and killed Kathleen Sheets, the wife of another Mormon bishop involved in the document deals. The bomb was actually intended for the bishop. Hoffman was later seriously injured when one of his bombs exploded prematurely in his car when he was on the way to commit a third murder. These murders happened in October of 1985. The document deals went down starting in 1983.

Source, One Nation Under Gods by Richard Abanes.
 
I find this “where’s the archelogical evidence?” line of attack rather curious. Let’s face it, if the golden plates that contained the Book of Mormon were available to everyone and all the evidence lined up perfectly, it wouldn’t change your mind. There are very few people that were converted to Christianity because of their love of archeology.
 
When all else fails, there’s Charity. And Hope and Faith.

Hope leads to faith and faith to knowledge.
 
rmcmullan said:
I find this “where’s the archaeological evidence?” line of attack rather curious. Let’s face it, if the golden plates that contained the Book of Mormon were available to everyone and all the evidence lined up perfectly, it wouldn’t change your mind. There are very few people that were converted to Christianity because of their love of archeology.
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Archeology and early church writings that did not mysteriously disappear are bulwarks in supporting the legitimacy of the Catholic Church, If the Bible said Jesus ate Bananas, used a titanium staff , saw kangaroos and lived in a city no one could find evidence of I doubt I would be a believer.
 
McMullan, the Mormon religion is filled with inconsistencies. We’re not talking about what people thought of Joseph Smith or what the prophets said. Your entire religion is based on a story that never took place. And the answer they tell you when you ask is, “Just pray about it and the truth will come to you”. Since the beginning the Mormon church has been a predator of the hopeless and weak. Cradle Mormons just don’t know any better.

For the love of everything, use some common sense. Jesus, the Catholic Church, the Bible, and everything I believe in is based on fact, or at least thousands of eye witnesses. Archaeological evidence is there. There is no doubt about my church’s history and story. When you have to answer to God, you won’t be able to say that you did all the research and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Mormon church is true. You will have to admit that, well, archeology was not an interest to you and you based your faith on your feelings and that little voice inside you. And although hundreds of Catholics begged you to look into the truth, you rejected their offer.
 
rmcmullan said:
When all else fails, there’s Charity. And Hope and Faith.

Hope leads to faith and faith to knowledge.
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rmcmullan, I agree with you. So where does emotional manipulation fit in to any of what you posted?
 
The magic rocks are enough evidence for me to show the Mormon church is false. There’s a lot more. But that will do for me.

The thing I like about being Catholic is that you don’t have to check your brains at the door.

The thing I object to in Mormon theology is that they hide their doctrine. The most whacky things are hidden. And they are happy to bring you into their church without ever letting you in on all the weird ideas. If the religion was “true” as they claim it is, all the cover-ups wouldn’t be necessary.
 
rmcmullan said:
I find this “where’s the archelogical evidence?” line of attack rather curious. Let’s face it, if the golden plates that contained the Book of Mormon were available to everyone and all the evidence lined up perfectly, it wouldn’t change your mind. There are very few people that were converted to Christianity because of their love of archeology.
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You are very naive. Christianity would not stand if there was no historical evidence for it. Many, many sites mentioned in the bible have been found and documented. Many occurances mentioned in the bible have been documented by outside sources. There is no question that people, artifacts, animals, foods etc ad infinitum
mentioned in the bible existed in the times and places recorded. Make no mistake, Christ’s message would still be valid if only a few of these facts were known, but in the case of the BOM, nothing can be proven or verified. The BOM and Joseph Smith’s other fabrications are merely hearsay. Where’s the beef?
 
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