Rebelling in heaven

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If some angels rebelled against God, is it possible for people to rebel against God in heaven?
 
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If some angels rebelled against God, is it possible for people to rebel against God in heaven?
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No. The angels did not have the Beatific Vision (were not in heavenly state). Once the Beatific Vision is received (heaven) that being will not choose to sin because there is complete satisfaction.
 
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If you mean rebel in terms of breaking the commandments, then yes, people does rebel.
 
KevinK said:
If some angels rebelled against God, is it possible for people to rebel against God in heaven?
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No. The gift of final grace for humans takes place on Earth. Once a person is in the Beatific Vision (or in Purgatory prior to entering the Beatific Vision) they are eternally secure.

There’s a lot we don’t know about the angels, but it’s widely regarded that the heaven which the angels existed in at the dawn of creation was not the Beatific Vision. The angels that followed Satan would have then fell, and the angels that stayed would have then entered the Beatific Vision for eternity.
 
No. Different situations. The rebellion in heaven was a one-time scenario. Angels are pure spirits, they are not like people, body/soul, able to live in a ‘time frame’ where they can move from past to present to future. Angels are in an eternal now; one could say that at the very ‘now’ of their creation was the choice, ‘do I serve my creator or do I wish to make myself god’; and once that instantaneous choice was made since they exist ‘in a now’ there is no chance to ‘go back’ or change.

Once people die and have chosen heaven they will likewise live in an instantaneous ‘now’.

Since we live in time it is extremely difficult to imagine an existence that doesn’t move in a time pattern, but that is what we will have. The fact that people still think or even express themselves ‘as if’ Heaven will involve doing things that ‘take time’, or would take time here, but won’t there, just indicates that as corporeal time-bound beings we don’t yet ‘have the words’ to express that kind of reality.

So no, there will be rebellion in heaven, and there will be no repentance in hell.
 
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But not in heaven. We rebel on earth.
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I don’t think we can rebel God in Heaven coz by the time we reach heaven stage we have already been washed off all our sins and we no longer feel the urge to sin anymore.
 
Well you see, in response to the original post
If some angels rebelled against God, is it possible for people to rebel against God in heaven?

you responded with this
anon64704623 said:
If you mean rebel in terms of breaking the commandments, then yes, people does rebel.
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so it looked as though you were saying, yes, people could rebel against God in heaven.

but now you’re saying you don’t think they can??? (and in that, I agree).

I’m glad you clarified, but from your first post, honestly, it sure looked as though you were answering Kevin’s original post of ‘can people rebel in heaven" in saying "yes people does (sic) rebel’ as 'yes people does (sic) rebel ‘in heaven’.
 
I didn’t know OP was saying rebel in Heaven coz I have poor reading skills. I thought he was referring to general rebellion.
 
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Without a doubt, there is a sequence of events in Heaven. The saints in Heaven are, with a few exceptions, incorporeal souls today. At the resurrection of the dead, they will be reunited to their bodies. That’s a distinct change.
 
But not a ‘time change’.
Once you are dead, you are ‘out of time’.

For all you know, a person who has died experiences personal judgment, the final judgment, and the ‘reuniting of soul and body’ all instantaneously. Just because say St Peter died almost 2000 years ago doesn’t mean he has spent 2000 earth ‘years’ in heaven.
 
What did Paul say? “I long to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.” Such a longing makes no sense if there is no interval in which one actually experiences being absent from the body. Likewise, those in the Limbo of the Fathers were liberated by Christ, yet He was clear on the reality of the Limbo of the Fathers as a state of being.
 
I disagree with your interpretation of what St. Paul is saying, and I also disagree that a state of being (after death) automatically implies that existence in TIME.
 
God tested the angles. We don’t know what the test was but my guess is God let them know that man would be greater that the angles. The pride of some of the angles could not stand the thought.
 
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What did Paul say? “I long to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.”
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Well… that’s not quite what Paul said. He’s often misquoted as saying it that way, but that’s not what’s in 2 Cor 5:
2 Cor 5:6:
So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord… We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
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There’s a subtle – but important – difference between the two phrasings. Additionally, context is critical here! Paul is saying “the situation is X, not Y”, and then, turning it on its ear, he says, “we would rather that it should be the opposite – Y, not X!”
Such a longing makes no sense if there is no interval in which one actually experiences being absent from the body.
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I’m with @stpuri – your interpretation here makes me scratch my head. Taken to its logical conclusion, your interpretation means that Paul is saying “I really don’t want the resurrection into a glorified body – I want to be without a body for eternity!” 🤔
 
The Blessed Virgin, the saints who rose with Jesus, and (while disputed) Enoch and Elijah.
 
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