Reborn in Christ

[MT1926]

James is writing to the …leaders or Elders of the church…in teaching them…giving directions, instructions on the Spoken Word

Don’t agree. Keep in mind this is 2000 years ago, it’s not like he could have sent out a mass email. Also keep in mind James was writing like 20 years after the Church was already established. The Elders would have already been taught by word of mouth. It is highly unlikely anything new would be presented in a written letter. There would be no way of knowing if it was real or a fake if it was presented as something new that no one ever heard before.

when he goes teaching within homes, within synagogues, right?

I would say that you are overlapping your understanding here. St. Paul worshiped in homes and taught in the synagogues. They did not worship in the synagogues.

Was St Paul reborn in Christ and by the power of whom?

He was reborn when he was Baptized by Ananias

And can anyone be reborn in Christ without being taught by man?

If Christ so wills it. However Christ gave us the Sacrament of Baptism so we can have assurance of our rebirth.

Respectfully when it comes to James epistle sent to Elders Leaders of the Faith no different… but far better today…organized…we also have many who come to our church on Sunday, …Or they come just wanting to know and examine us…if what is being said about us…is true…

My response here would be if they want to see how we Worship then they should come to Mass. However, if they want to know what we teach is true then they need to go to a Bible study or listen to Catholic Answers or Called to Communion.

Worship is done at Mass. Some understanding can come from the homily but that is not the centrality of our mass. If one wants to know truth they need to attend RCIA.

hoping they will return again and hear our… Teaching homilies.

Like I said I don’t go to mass in the hopes I will learn something from the Priest’s homily. If a do great, but that is not my purpose for going to mass.

God Bless

 

[rose321]

Like I said I don’t go to mass in the hopes I will learn something from the Priest’s homily. If a do great, but that is not my purpose for going to mass.

Agree for you maybe not but for many others, each one takes away what feeds them.

My response here would be if they want to see how we Worship then they should come to Mass. However,

Agree my point exactly first step and the rest will follow, if they so choose in returning seeking further… like in Jesus time…

If Christ so wills it

Agree ones point exactly many are reborn in Christ not even being of the faith or even belonging to any organization, having their own personal experience, never, never under estimate his power, authority or his will. Jeremiah 31:31-34 …Days are coming and I Will…not man?

He was reborn when he was Baptized by Ananias

Agree but in asking what is the difference and meaning when saying …one is born from above is it the same meaning as stating… reborn in Christ according to the teaching meaning within the bible, Jesus? St Paul was not seeking or choosing, thought to do so or desiring such on his own did he?

They did not worship in the synagogues.

Agree synagogues where they gathered weekly, to read, study the word, give praise like we do at a church… all their yearly Holy Feast Days, others traveling from afar is when they gathered at the Temple…High Priest…resided

2000 years ago, it’s not like he could have sent out a mass email.

Agree but what was written by James or other Apostles…etc…they would not need mass instruction…still mostly Jews right at this time, but teaching on Jesus words making them known ? …Letters were given to men etc… those sitting out in such directions, eventually got there…and passed on by men on foot or sailing ( St Paul journey is recorded) slow process. One has studied much on this James known also as James the Righteous, historical recordings also…30 years immed after naming 12 of whom, naming them, who also succeeded after his death 135 Ad…James…was well known by the community at large and dearly loved even by the Roman soldiers themselves… for he help maintain and kept the peace within and communities around, a holy man indeed…interesting study

It is highly unlikely anything new would be presented in a written letter.

Do not agree, there were many different sects of Christianity rising up in all areas. leaving that there…a lot of different beliefs and not in agreement… those who were circumcise and those who were not circumcise…thus Constantine? And as recorded Historically and well known within our Church history…sure one is fully aware of…

Thank you for your kind replies and taking the time to do so.

 

[rose321]

Who is the “US” that John speaks of? Look back to…

John 4:4-6 Little children you are from God and have conquered them; for the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world: therefore what they say is from the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us…and who ever is not from God does not listen to us. From this we know the spirit of the truth and the spirit of error…

Chapter 4: 1-6 Title as…Testing all Spirits…The…Us …is the Apostles…Test all Spirits… Written many times important for us to …know…

For one it is important to …know…the Spoken Word of God …to know… who is not of him… Timothy .study and spoken by Pope Benedict also…study study study…in one of his books and homilies…

Written .Told the wheat grows among the tares in all walks in life…and not every one who calls me …Lord Lord…1 John 4: 4…Is letting us …know…also …God spark of divinity has been placed with …us…and continues to tell us…let us love one another also, does it not?

Written… I am Holy Thou are to be holy also…not just a call out for few to make it their life long profession…but a call out to all to become Holy? …

Those who freely choose to teach his Spoken Word…God teaching those who …listen…to Test all Spirits…come to… know… …Jesus commanding his listening audience to . …search the scriptures…

Why so many questions and not alone many many many long life Catholics more so then ever doing so today also…all is good…

Not what we read is it, but what we hear…listen to…

Reborn in Christ…born from above?
Prophecy…Days are coming…Jeremiah 31:31-34 > … All… will… know… Me, I will teach you? All… interesting…

Written…Let your yes be yes and your no be no…

 

[MT1926]

Agree ones point exactly many are reborn in Christ not even being of the faith or even belonging to any organization, having their own personal experience, never, never under estimate his power,

Don’t agree. We have no evidence of this. Sure many can claim to be reborn in Christ without Baptism, but Only God knows not us. The only thing we can be sure of is Jesus gave us Baptism as a Sacramental sign of being reborn into Christ. Many can claim to be born again from their own personal experience but in the end the claim is also their own personal claim.

one is born from above is it the same meaning as stating… reborn in Christ according to the teaching meaning within the bible, Jesus?

Which other meaning are you talking about? The only one I know of is through Baptism.

Letters were given to men etc… those sitting out in such directions, eventually got there…and passed on by men on foot

I have no problem with this mindset as long as you realize that they didn’t pass on the letters without first instructing them on how the letters are to be interpreted. They didn’t pass on the letters as an instruction manual.

Do not agree, there were many different sects of Christianity rising up in all areas.

Why do you disagree. What you state here would actually prove my point. Nothing new would be in the letters that wasn’t already taught orally for this very reason. How would anyone know that what they received wasn’t a forgery sent from one of these sects?

those who were circumcise and those who were not circumcise…thus Constantine?

Have no idea what you mean? The circumcision problem was first century Constantine was 300 years later. Not seeing how these are connected?

God Bless

 

[MT1926]

Those who freely choose to teach his Spoken Word…God teaching those who …listen…to Test all Spirits…come to… know… …Jesus commanding his listening audience to . …search the scriptures…

Yes God did leave us the Scriptures to study, however he also left us a Church to teach us. Jesus never wrote anything down He left us with 12 men to lead us and guide us. Without the Church we can’t know the proper interpretation of scripture and therefor don’t have solid footing in which to test the spirits.

Also, keep in mind just because we freely choose to teach Gods spoken word, this does not give us the authority over what His word means. Without an authority to guide us we can make scripture say whatever we want it to say.

God Bless