Rec’g From the Common Cup

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Visited a new church this morning. Not only did we get to receive the Eucharist, but they also had 3 communal cups of wine for maybe 100 people to share. I walked right past. Couldn’t see the need to share germs with those folks. Wrong or right? What do you do?

P.S. I am allergic to the preservatives in commercially made wine. Homemade is ok.
 
wacky&wonderful:
Visited a new church this morning. Not only did we get to receive the Eucharist, but they also had 3 communal cups of wine for maybe 100 people to share. I walked right past. Couldn’t see the need to share germs with those folks. Wrong or right? What do you do?

P.S. I am allergic to the preservatives in commercially made wine. Homemade is ok.
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If you know that you’re allergic to wine, it would be foolish to partake of the chalice. You receive the Sacrament in Its entirety under either species. You’re not required to receive from the chalice
 
If you weren’t allergic to the preservatives used in commercially produced wine, you would still have the issue of germs. AFAIK no one has ever become sick due to receiving from the cup. For one thing the wine has alcohol in it which is a germ killer. And, after each person receives, the person serving the cup wipes off the lip of the cup and turns it for the next person. So, it would be almost impossible for you to become ill from receiving from the cup. 🙂
 
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Della:
So, it would be almost impossible for you to become ill from receiving from the cup. 🙂
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I don’t know about that. I don’t recieve the chalice for the reason of germs or backwash.
 
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Della:
If you weren’t allergic to the preservatives used in commercially produced wine, you would still have the issue of germs. AFAIK no one has ever become sick due to receiving from the cup. For one thing the wine has alcohol in it which is a germ killer. And, after each person receives, the person serving the cup wipes off the lip of the cup and turns it for the next person. So, it would be almost impossible for you to become ill from receiving from the cup. 🙂
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I think you are wishful thinking.
Everyone’s lower lip touches the cup. It is then wiped with a dry cloth.

When working at a banquet hall in college we had to run glasses through a solution before washing them in a commercial dishwasher. A syphillis virus can survive three commerical dishwashings in a lipstick smear. That’s why we put them into the industrial anti-viral, anti-bacterial solution before dishwashing.

To be quite honest with you, I’d skip the cup. Jesus is complete in the host.
 
I rec. from the Chalice every chance I’m given. I don’t see why these repetion in threads. We cover the same ground repeatedly. If you don’t wish to rec. from the Chalice, the Church doesn’t force you to do so, even as you cannot be required to rec. the Host in your hand. If you don’t want to do it, then don’t.
 
Just a comment: Wine used in the consecration must be pure grape wine with no preservatives in order to be licit. The allergy should not apply.

Josh
 
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JKirkLVNV:
I rec. from the Chalice every chance I’m given. I don’t see why these repetion in threads. We cover the same ground repeatedly. If you don’t wish to rec. from the Chalice, the Church doesn’t force you to do so, even as you cannot be required to rec. the Host in your hand. If you don’t want to do it, then don’t.
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Not every one of us are senior CA members like us, my Friend! 😉
 
wacky&wonderful:
Visited a new church this morning. Not only did we get to receive the Eucharist, but they also had 3 communal cups of wine for maybe 100 people to share. I walked right past. **Couldn’t see the need to share germs with those folks. **Wrong or right? What do you do?

P.S. I am allergic to the preservatives in commercially made wine. Homemade is ok.
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The “need?” You obviously don’t need to “share germs” to fully receive Holy Communion. However if the cost to receive the Precious Blood is “sharing germs” then it’s truly a tiny price to pay for such a supernatural experience.

So you know, if wine has any additives like “preservatives” (ie. added nitrates) it’s INVALID MATTER anyway. Sacramental wine (and MANY other wines) have NO preservatives, much like your so-called “homemade.”
 
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JKirkLVNV:
I rec. from the Chalice every chance I’m given. I don’t see why these repetion in threads. We cover the same ground repeatedly. If you don’t wish to rec. from the Chalice, the Church doesn’t force you to do so, even as you cannot be required to rec. the Host in your hand. If you don’t want to do it, then don’t.
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This is the first time I’ve read a topic on this subject. There’s no harm in repeating a topic from time to time for new readers.

We are not offered the chalice to drink from in my parish. There’s just not enough time in the day for everybody to receive the body AND the blood of Christ. I just assumed parishners were not drinking from the chalice any longer.
 
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LeahInancsi:
This is the first time I’ve read a topic on this subject. There’s no harm in repeating a topic from time to time for new readers.

We are not offered the chalice to drink from in my parish. There’s just not enough time in the day for everybody to receive the body AND the blood of Christ. I just assumed parishners were not drinking from the chalice any longer.
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The entire Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ is fully available in either species. That said there is always (including huge papal Masses) enough time to receive both species…
 
I don’t mean to be picky but we have to be very careful not to say things like cups of wine when referring to the Precious Blood. It leads to statement like, “I just receive Communion. I don’t drink the wine.” How true. No one drinks wine at Mass. At my parish, we offer both species at every Sunday and Holy Day Mass. Recently, we have asked the parishioners who do not receive from the Cup to stop and bow towards the Precious Blood after receiving the Host. It is so much better than when they just hurried by.
 
G&S:
I don’t mean to be picky but we have to be very careful not to say things like cups of wine when referring to the Precious Blood. It leads to statement like, “I just receive Communion. I don’t drink the wine.” How true. No one drinks wine at Mass. At my parish, we offer both species at every Sunday and Holy Day Mass. Recently, we have asked the parishioners who do not receive from the Cup to stop and bow towards the Precious Blood after receiving the Host. It is so much better than when they just hurried by.
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You are absolutely correct that it’s flat-out wrong and disrespectful to refer to the Precious Blood as “wine”

That said, it’s also terribly wrong to bow to the chalice filled with the Precious Blood if we are not going to receive. Why? Because we have just made the most intimate connection a human can make with the Son of God on Earth – we have consumed His Body and our focus should be 100% on that fact.

Unless we are going to receive the second species our entire should be focused on our consumption of the Sacred Host – *we should also not be bowing with God in our mouthes. *

What you suggest is one of those oddities that seems to be a big hit with “liturgical committees.”
 
Our diocese stops offering the cup during “flu season” :rolleyes: but I had heard somewhere that even in the days of the “plague” the cup was still offered, and that no further contamination could be traced to sharing the Precious Blood.
I choose to believe that just as the changing from wine to Christ’s Blood is supernatural, so are the graces received, spiritually and physically. I have no fear of “backwash” or “germs” being that Jesus would surely account for that - have faith.
Or just take communion under one species - taking both isn’t necessary. 😉
 
Interesting…both Communion under both kinds and lip kissing strangers were a feature of the early Church… 😉
 
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AltarMan:
That said, it’s also terribly wrong to bow to the chalice filled with the Precious Blood if we are not going to receive. Why? Because we have just made the most intimate connection a human can make with the Son of God on Earth – we have consumed His Body and our focus should be 100% on that fact.

Unless we are going to receive the second species our entire should be focused on our consumption of the Sacred Host – *we should also not be bowing with God in our mouthes. *

What you suggest is one of those oddities that seems to be a big hit with “liturgical committees.”
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Since one bows before receiving from the Cup, it could not be “terribly wrong” to do so if not receiving under both Species. Although I see the logic in your argument, it would make bowing with God in our mouths wrong even if receiving under both forms. Before our pastor – not a committee – asked the communicants to bow, it was very distressing when ministering from the Cup to have so many people walk by so cavalierly. Christ is not just present in my mouth when I receive. Lex supplicandi legem credendi statuat.
 
G&S:
Since one bows before receiving from the Cup, it could not be “terribly wrong” to do so if not receiving under both Species. Although I see the logic in your argument, it would make bowing with God in our mouths wrong even if receiving under both forms. Before our pastor – not a committee – asked the communicants to bow, it was very distressing when ministering from the Cup to have so many people walk by so cavalierly. Christ is not just present in my mouth when I receive. Lex supplicandi legem credendi statuat.
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You’re wrong. While it’s sad to see people walk by the Precious Blood in a rude manner (or pop the consecrated Host in their mouth like a 'tater chip while walking away) it’s wrong to implement what your pastor did.

Focus on the fact that you have God in your mouth! If you’re not focusing with serious intensity, you need to change – but not by focusing another external – even if it’s God in another form.
 
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AltarMan:
You’re wrong. While it’s sad to see people walk by the Precious Blood in a rude manner (or pop the consecrated Host in their mouth like a 'tater chip while walking away) it’s wrong to implement what your pastor did.

Focus on the fact that you have God in your mouth! If you’re not focusing with serious intensity, you need to change – but not by focusing another external – even if it’s God in another form.
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Help me to understand what “walking by in a rude manner” might be. I receive only one species and and am in prayerful thought after receiving the host so I quite frankly don’t even notice the EMHC holding the chalice and so I just walk right by. Is there a GIRM instruction on how to walk by that you can share?
 
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