The USCCB’s norms apply to the Novus Ordo. In the Traditional Latin Mass, the priest makes the sign of the cross over the communicant with the Host, says “May the Body of Christ bring you to everlasting life” (right? I don’t have my Missal handy) and then lays the Host on the communicant’s tongue. The communicant says nothing.Isn’t saying “Amen” part of your desposition? That you are expressing your belief in the Real Presence? I’ll do more research on this and see what I find.
The priest also says Amen, which is how it was when I was an altar boy using the 1962 edition of the Tridentine Ordo, kneeling at the altar rail.The USCCB’s norms apply to the Novus Ordo. In the Traditional Latin Mass, the priest makes the sign of the cross over the communicant with the Host, says “May the Body of Christ bring you to everlasting life” (right? I don’t have my Missal handy) and then lays the Host on the communicant’s tongue. The communicant says nothing.
That, at any rate, has been my experience in the Traditional Latin Mass. I have only ever attended the TLM at one parish.
True. I forgot to mention that the priest says Amen.The priest also says Amen, which is how it was when I was an altar boy using the 1962 edition of the Tridentine Ordo, kneeling at the altar rail.
No, Amen is still required in the OF even if you kneel. Amen is not a sign of reverence but a profession of faith that what you are presented with, the Host or the Precious Blood in the Cup, is the Body and/or Blood (if by intinction then its “and”) of Jesus.My understanding is this is not an issue of which form of the Latin rite you attend. You may kneel and receive on tongue in the OF. Actually that is the universal norm of the Church and the only way our Holy Father distributes Communion. The indult for Communion in the hand has several conditions. Two of them are that the recepient is to bow and say Amen as a sign of reverence. As kneeling is already a sign of reverence, bowing and saying Amen is not required.
His action is illicit. There is nothing in the canon that requires an “Amen”. There are any number of reasons why a person may not say “Amen”, even though it is the correct response in the OF of the Roman Rite. People who are only used to the EF may not know to say “Amen” as this thread has indicated. Eastern Catholics may not-- we do not say anything when we receive the Eucharist in the Divine Liturgy. Members in my Deaf parish sign “Amen” which the Minister of the Eucharist might not recognize as an “Amen”.Our priest told me (actually everyone in the Mass) that he cannot give us Communion unless we say "Amen."
There are no female Eucharistic Ministers in the Catholic Church.Yesterday I attended Mass at a Church that requires kneeling to receive Communion. When the female Eucharistic Minister gave me Communion I received it on the tongue but did not say “Amen.” Instead I made no response and made the sign of the cross as I normally do at the Latin Mass I regularly attend.
The Eucharistic Minister said the “Amen” when I did not respond. Was what I did okay?
True, a female can be an extraordinary minister of holy Communion. The Church allows that. I have received the Blood of Christ from a female extraordinay minister of holy Communion.There are no female Eucharistic Ministers in the Catholic Church.
MarkThompson #19 mentioned that Rome has clarified that the faithful have the right to receive kneeling at the OF if they so choose.Yesterday I attended Mass at a Church that requires kneeling to receive Communion.
The GIRM says 43. §4 “With a view to a uniformity in gestures and postures during one and the same celebration, the faithful should follow the directions which the deacon, lay minister, or priest gives according to whatever is indicated in the Missal.” But unless the bishop has “derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance” in this situation then the priest is doing whatever he wants, against the norms of the US Bishops i.e. illicit as stated in the USCCB directive…Kneeling is not a licit posture for receiving Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America unless the bishop of a particular diocese has derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance
…Under no circumstances may a person be denied Holy Communion merely because he or she has refused to stand to receive Holy Communion. Rather, in such instances, the priest is obliged to provide additional catechesis so that the communicant might better understand the reason for the Bishops’ decision to choose standing as the normative posture for receiving Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America.
Its actually in the rubrics. But you are right, its still not a big enough offense to withhold communion. The priest still gives communion but would say “Amen” for the communicant. He just wants us to realize that we have to respond with “Amen”.His action is illicit. There is nothing in the canon that requires an “Amen”. There are any number of reasons why a person may not say “Amen”, even though it is the correct response in the OF of the Roman Rite. People who are only used to the EF may not know to say “Amen” as this thread has indicated. Eastern Catholics may not-- we do not say anything when we receive the Eucharist in the Divine Liturgy. Members in my Deaf parish sign “Amen” which the Minister of the Eucharist might not recognize as an “Amen”.
The CIC is clear: Can. 912 Any baptized person not prohibited by law can and must be admitted to holy communion.
You’re right, thanks for the correction. Having done a little checking, the GIRM states, “The faithful may communicate either standing or kneeling, as established by the Conference of Bishops.” The USCCB obtained determined that our norm is standing, and obtained the recognitio of the Holy See for it.MarkThompson #19 mentioned that Rome has clarified that the faithful have the right to receive kneeling at the OF if they so choose.
There are many places where it’s indicated that the normative posture in the OF of the Mass in the US is standing for receiving Holy Eucharist in the hand or on the tongue. Our bishop who is quite orthodox recently published Instructions on receiving Communion properly in which he states “The proper posture for receiving Communion is standing.”
The Bishops of the United States have decided that the normative posture for receiving Holy Communion should be standing.
The GIRM says 43. §4 “With a view to a uniformity in gestures and postures during one and the same celebration, the faithful should follow the directions which the deacon, lay minister, or priest gives according to whatever is indicated in the Missal.” But unless the bishop has “derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance” in this situation then the priest is doing whatever he wants, against the norms of the US Bishops i.e. illicit as stated in the USCCB directive…
And we are to follow the norm always, right?Nevertheless, I now acknowledge that someone who kneels actually is spurning the norm legitimately determined by his bishops in favor of his own personal predilections. The mere fact that deviation is not to be punished does not obviate that it is a failure to obey a genuine norm. I can no longer recommend it.
As far as I can tell, that’s right, since no legitimate option is offered. Deviations should be dealt with pastorally. True, Rome has indicated that even obstinate and pertinacious deviation should not be called “illicit” or “disobedient” by priests and is not a basis to withhold the Sacrament. Nevertheless, objectively I do not think it can fairly be said that kneeling is an option.And we are to follow the norm always, right?
Wait, you’re in Canada, aren’t you. Well, I can’t be sure, and I’ve yet to see this fabled creature called the “Canadian GIRM,” of which the wise men tell legends of its Apostles’ Creed rubric and varying text for the memorial acclamation. If you were in the United States, my answer would have been:So its fine that I genuflect as a sign of reverence as called for by the rubrics, and receive standing, on the tongue.
Right?
The first highlighted part says that we receive standing or kneeling according to the Conference of Bishops. And according to the Conference of Bishops, at least in the US (probably the same for Canada), the norm is standing.[90.] “The faithful should receive Communion kneeling or standing, as the Conference of Bishops will have determined”, with its acts having received the recognitio of the Apostolic See. “However, if they receive Communion standing, it is recommended that they give due reverence before the reception of the Sacrament, as set forth in the same norms”.
- The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.
The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.
So the first highlighted part clearly says that standing is the norm, at least in the US. I can conclude that such is the same in Canada.When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood.