Receiving on the tongue

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JKirkLVNV:
First off, I generally rec. on the tongue. It is no more or less reverent to rec. on the tongue than on the hand. The Church permits both (watch tapes of the papal masses in April if you think this is only an American phenomenon). The priest’s hands are just as likely to be as contaminated as one’s own, as his washing of his hands at Mass is purely ceremonial…it never involves soap or a disinfectant of any kind. He has handeled the Sacramentary, greeted people at the Sign of Peace, etc. Your assertion that rec. in the hand is “casual” belies the faith of many very devout Catholics who elect for whatever reason to rec. in the hand. Their reception in the hand harkens back to the earliest practice of the ancient Church. It also doesn’t mean they have any less reverence or regard for Our Lord. I think people should be allowed what the Church allows: the choice.
The early Church also required strict penances, such as wearing hairshirts and begging for alms outside the church, sometimes for a year, before the penitent could be admitted back into the Church.

Why is it those who use the reason “the early Church did it” for having Communion in the hand never want to bring back the penances handed out by the early Church?

There’s a reason the Church dropped the strict penances, just like there’s a reason the Church dropped Communion in the hand. The Church didn’t bring back the strict penances. The same should go for Communion in the hand.
 
Swiss Guard said:
The early Church also required strict penances, such as wearing hairshirts and begging for alms outside the church, sometimes for a year, before the penitent could be admitted back into the Church.

Why is it those who use the reason “the early Church did it” for having Communion in the hand never want to bring back the penances handed out by the early Church?

There’s a reason the Church dropped the strict penances, just like there’s a reason the Church dropped Communion in the hand. The Church didn’t bring back the strict penances. The same should go for Communion in the hand.

The Church used Her judgement about the penances. Since then, the Church has used Her judgement about Communion reception. It’s a dead issue, until the Holy Father or the Bishops decide to act differently. My point is that it is wrong to brow beat people who wish to rec. in the hand by saying that reception on the tongue is better or more reverent. That is a subjective opinion. It may even be held to be better by Popes (HHJPII thought it was a bad idea to allow reception in the hand), but that is their prudential judgement until they make it a matter of discipline imposed on the entire Church (ome of the posts on this thread make me want to go back to rec. in the hand!).
 
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Petertherock:
It’s the best way to transmit diseases.
Where’s your documented CDC evidence for this? As any healthcare professional will tell you, disease is spread fastest and farthest by the hand, not the tongue.
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Swiss Guard said:
Let me use an analogy to state my point. You are over at a friend’s house and he shows you the expensive crystal he and his wife just bought. He tells you how much it cost him and how much he and his wife love it. He says they only bring it out for special occasions and are very careful how they handle it. Would you handle the crystal or would you, out of respect for your friend and the crystal, just look at it and not touch it? I wouldn’t touch it unless my friend specifically let me touch it. If we would act this way with an inanimate object, how much more respect should be shown to our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament? How precious would the crystal be if your friend let everyone touch it? You would think it isn’t precious at all, especially if he let his kids and all the neighbor kids come in and handle it. How much more should we regard the Blessed Sacrament, which is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The priest purifies his fingers after distributing Holy Communion. That is why there is a small glass container of water next to the tabernacle. At least there is supposed to be one. If not, the priest isn’t following the directives set by the Holy See. Then again, if a priest doesn’t purify his fingers, it leaves many questions in my mind.

What you have stated is objectively called the “fundamental option.” This is the heresy promoted by the late Fr. Karl Rahner and others which says that a sin is only a mortal sin if you intend to cut yourself off from God. In other words, I can fornicate all I want and it’s not a mortal sin as long as I don’t intend to cut myself off from God. The Church says for a sin to be mortal there must be three conditions: grievous matter, sufficient reflection and full consent of the will.

Now, someone who receives in the hand and does everything to purify his hands and fingers or unintentionally forgot to do it would not be guilty of a sacrilege. If someone decides out of negligence not to purify his hands, then that person could be culpable, provided the person knows it is sinful.

Did they tell you that receiving on the tongue is the norm and that special persmission is needed to receive in the hand? Did they even inform you of the “option” to receive on the tongue? I didn’t think so.

It’s not about “moral high ground,” it has to do with reverence. As I stated in a previous post, Communion in the hand came about because of disobedience!
I’ve yet to hear someone argue that disobedience is reverent.

First, using your analogy of the crystal. If my friend said, “Out of respect for me, I don’t want you to touch this crystal,” I would oblidge. But how is it irreverent if he says, “Here, take this in your hand, or don’t touch it, it’s up to you.” Am I being disrespectful of him if he says either way is okay?

Second, even though the priest purifies his fingers, that still doesn’t mean some of it may not be mishandled. That was just my point.

Third, I would disagree that what I said was the “fundamental option.” Are you accusing me of heresy on something the Church has not ruled on? If I’m not violating Church doctrine, then I am not a heretic. Tell me, where is reception on the tongue doctrine? Would you consider accidentally dropping some of the Host “full consent of the will?” I would not call what I was proposing the “fundamental option” because I would not for the life of me propose that someone pocket the Host with full consent of the will, sufficient knowledge, and after sufficient reflection.

If I were supporting the “fundamental option” then I would be saying, “do whatever with the Host as long as you don’t intend to cut yourself off from God.” That is WRONG! There is a distinction between the “fundamental option” and what the Church teaches. But by your logic, someone is guilty of murder if they get in a car crash and unintentionally kill someone. Would you also call this the “fundamental option?” Is this person guilty of mortal sin because they unintentionally acted against human life? I was dealing with the intention of the ACT, not the intention as it relates to God.

You should be careful about insinuating that fellow Catholics are heretics for practicing their faith a little differently (as long as it doesn’t contradict doctrine; difference doesn’t mean contradiction.)

I revere God completely in the Eucharist (although you have already assumed I am guilty irreverence because I take the Eucharist by hand.) I prefer to take it by hand, but I respect those who, out of reverence, take it on the tongue.

If receiving by hand is so disobedient, then the Church should outlaw it. Period.

Also, at my first Communion they did inform me that you could take it on the tongue, but they said it was personal preference.

This whole debate is reminding me of the Pharisees, who lived the law but failed to internalize it.
 
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JP2Admirer:
If receiving by hand is so disobedient, then the Church should outlaw it. Period.
It was for a good 1,500 yrs.
Also, at my first Communion they did inform me that you could take it on the tongue, but they said it was personal preference.
Notice the bias here. They should’ve explained that receiving on the tongue has been the norm for the past 1,500 yrs, but the Church does not forbid receiving in the hand any more. Instead, they probably taught you how to receive on the hand, then mentioned as a side note that you could receive on the tongue-- if you wanted.
This whole debate is reminding me of the Pharisees, who lived the law but failed to internalize it.
This is nothing of the sort. The Pharisees did not have the God of the Universe physically present to them. They argued over how many steps one could take-- literally-- on the Sabbath before it was considered too much work for the Sabbath. God has now willed that His Son physically lives among us! Think about how great of a responsibility that is! Think about the trust He must have in us! We owe Him nothing less than to protect His Son from every form of blasphemy, sacrilege, or disrespect. This is not mere arguing over what type of incense to use, etc.
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
It was for a good 1,500 yrs.

Notice the bias here. They should’ve explained that receiving on the tongue has been the norm for the past 1,500 yrs, but the Church does not forbid receiving in the hand any more. Instead, they probably taught you how to receive on the hand, then mentioned as a side note that you could receive on the tongue-- if you wanted.

This is nothing of the sort. The Pharisees did not have the God of the Universe physically present to them. They argued over how many steps one could take-- literally-- on the Sabbath before it was considered too much work for the Sabbath. God has now willed that His Son physically lives among us! Think about how great of a responsibility that is! Think about the trust He must have in us! We owe Him nothing less than to protect His Son from every form of blasphemy, sacrilege, or disrespect. This is not mere arguing over what type of incense to use, etc.
UK, I only threw out the Pharisee comment, not to give specifics of what they did, but to the fact that they walked around often with their noses in the air, condemning those who didn’t live the law as well as them. They lived the Law strictly, but had a hardness of heart and judged others. That was all I meant.

To be honest, I didn’t expect the reaction I got to my posts. It’s wonderful to see that so many people have such a great regard for the Eucharist, as all Catholics (all people for that matter) should. I just think some people are judging others without the right.

Now, if the Church were to say taking by hand was wrong, and someone was promoting it, I would expect this kind of response.

I simply feel some are passing judgment where they should not.

Heck, I even got related to a heretic, although what I believe is not heretical.

Could I be wrong on the issue? Sure. Everyone who says we should take it on the tongue is right to show the Eucharist such respect, but I was merely pointing out that if you follow that logic completely, it would mean no one could touch the Eucharist. By saying this, I didn’t expect to have my intelligence insulted (someone above castigated me for using the wrong term, Eucharistic minister instead of Extraordinary minister, sheesh) or to be put in the category of a heretic.

People were throwing insults and judgment because they think I am practicing wrong. That is why I mentioned Pharisees.
 
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A.Pelliccio:
Oh cut that personal relationship with Jesus thing out. What are we going out dancing on a Friday night? This is the lord, King of Kings the most high we are not worthy of touching him. We must humble ourselves before our Savior, for we are sinners. Why do you thing we are taught to put our heads down after we view the consecration? We are shielding our eyes from the most holy miracle and sacrifice because we are not worthy. The Priest atleast makes a confession and physical washes his fingers with Holy Water.

Receiving the most holy body of Christ on your knees and tounge is acceptable and I do this ever week wether I am able to attend the TLM mass or not.
You have lost the whole purpose of Jesus coming to Earth. You are like the Pharisies Scribes that Jesus lambasted because they were more into laws then they were into His message. The Church says it is OK to recieve by hand. Are you more infallible than the Church? I do not say you are wrong for recieving by tounge so don’t you dare make yourself out to be holier than thou because you take the Eucharist on the tounge.

I for one don’t shield my eyes during the consecration. I want to see Jesus.
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
Notice the bias here. They should’ve explained that receiving on the tongue has been the norm for the past 1,500 yrs, but the Church does not forbid receiving in the hand any more. Instead, they probably taught you how to receive on the hand, then mentioned as a side note that you could receive on the tongue-- if you wanted.
I wasn’t that lucky. My First Communion class of 1989 was not told at all of the option to receive on the tongue - to the point where I had no idea for a good number of years that receiving on the tongue was even an option. Another omission was that we were about to receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. All I remember was a banal, boring 4-month weekly catechesis on how receiving the “bread” were were celebrating Eucharist, that Eucharist meant thanksgiving, and that we were all one big happy parish family. Then we got a new pastor, new CCD books by Ignatius Press, better liturgy, and things began to change.

But you’re right - at my nieces’ parish - they are collectively taught to receive on the hand and the “other option” is mentioned only in passing.
 
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JP2Admirer:
I admire your respect for the Eucharist, as I have the same respect, but why has the Church allowed reception in the hand if it is so disrespectful? If Pope Paul VI was so disheartened, why didn’t he just stop the practice? He was the Pope afterall.

Also, if I’m living in the “twilight zone” by the so called obvious abuses of the Eucharist, then why has the Church not changed its position? Why does it still allow the practice? If they are reluctant about it, why does it still happen? I think if the abuses were so obvious, the Church would stop the practice. After all, it does have the authority to do so. Do you know better than the Church on this issue?

This whole idea that “your way is the best way” is exactly what I was getting at when I said, “moral high ground.” I have a deep respect for the Eucharist, but I like to take it by hand, and you seem to be telling me that that is somehow disrespectful of the Lord, yet the Church says either way is okay.

All I meant by my previous post was that following the logic of the possiblity of the host being dropped, would lead to the conclusion that no one could touch it. Should there be Eucharistic ministers? Should they be able to touch the Host?

Also, I think to be guilty of sacrelige you have to intend sacrelige. I understand your feeling we have to respect the Eucharist, but honestly, I think this idea can be taken too far.
Thanks for your reply - I really didn’t mean the “Twilight Zone” comment to be directed at you in particular or much less to offend. I really apologize if it did in any way.

Your raise excellent points. I don’t know why the Church did not forbid the practice then, but I know that it intended to (Paul VI at least). Someone below posted what the Pope wrote to address the problem back in the 60’s… you should read it, it’s very interesting. I also don’t know why the Pope did nothing more about it, but I can assure you that he was very troubled by it - it is evident in his words (again, scroll down and read below).

So why does the Church do nothing about it now? - maybe the Church feels that since it IS possible to receive in the hand reverently and without accidents - that it is too late to forbid the practice all together now, since it would sadly bring about a liturgical WWIII in many parts of the world…only to add to the Church’s many woes. The Church has to be tough at times, but also pastoral and prudent in the way it handles things.

I say BRAVO to those who receive in the hand reverently…I believe it was St. Ignatius of Antioch who encouraged the faithful of his diocese to receive in the hand as if gold dust was being poured into them. Mother Angelica, whose preference on the issue should be obvious, once said that she was very moved to see a child receive in the hand very carefully and attentively, who then kissed the Host before consuming it. She added that if only everyone who received in the hand displayed so much faith as that child - that it wouldn’t be such a problem.

But let’s acknowledge the problems that it has caused, and let’s be honest about the dubious and unfortunate way it was reintroduced. And in all fairness, let’s at least tell children that they also have the option of receiving on the tongue, as impartially as we tell them that they have the option of receiving on the hand!
 
FONT=Arial]HI! I am new to the forum… and want to post for the first time! 😉

On the “eve” of Mother’s Day, my kids were sick, and so I attended a different Catholic church in our town. I opened my mouth to receive on the tongue and was REFUSED communion!!! It was so crazy! So, I got into the Pastor’s communion line, and he ALSO tried to refuse me communion! I was stubborn and waited and told him “I would like to receive on the tongue”. I was last in line, and everyone was looking on (Including a whole group of first Communicants!!) and so, he reluctantly and rudely SHOVED our Lord and Savior into my mouth!!!

Does this happen in other places? What would YOU do??

BTW, I have been reading the thread. And, any Catholic who loves Jesus in the Eucharist does have a personal relationship with Him! I can’t believe someone would say “Cut out that Personal Relationship with Jesus stuff!” My goodness, how could you not desire this relationship??? It “sounds” to me like you don’t WANT a relationship with Jesus! 😦

JK5boys 🙂
 
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EJ79:
But let’s acknowledge the problems that it has caused, and let’s be honest about the dubious and unfortunate way it was reintroduced. And in all fairness, let’s at least tell children that they also have the option of receiving on the tongue, as impartially as we tell them that they have the option of receiving on the hand!
Could you fill me in on the problems? I’ll be honest, I don’t really know the history of this controversy and I was simply following the logic of not touching the Eucharist. I now know that Paul VI was disheartened by it. If it arose due to disobedience, I don’t think that means it continues to be disobedience, since the Church has allowed it.

I just can’t understand, as you pointed to in your post, why the Church just didn’t stop the practice. Why did it allow this act of disobedience?

JK5boys,

I think that is sad that the priest wouldn’t give you the Eucharist on the tongue. Strange!
 
Swiss Guard said:
As a Blessed Sacrament priest once told me, familiarity breeds contempt.

I am quite familiar with Christ, but have absolutely no contempt for Him. I am very familiar with my Catholic faith, but have no contempt for it. I’ve heard that phrase before, and it’s absolutely untrue. People fall for it because it rolls off the tongue so easily.

I receive communion in the hand. When I do, I look Jesus in the face and tell Him I love Him. Then I consume Him.
 
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JP2Admirer:
Also, if you follow the logic that if you take it in your hand, parts of the Eucharist will end up in your pocket or purse, or whatever, then the same should be said for the priest. He should not be allowed to touch it either, once it becomes the Body of the Lord. He, too, could accidentally misplace some of the Eucharist, it could end up on the floor or otherwise. If this is true, then we would not be able to distribute the Eucharist.
I agree re the priest but again this is one of those things that has crept in post Vatican II as part of the overall loss of faith in the Real Presence. When I was young as soon as the priest had consecracrated the bread he:

Held the thumb and first finger of both hands together except when handling the Sacred Host itself

Picked all the crumbs off the paten and consumed them

Placed the thumb and first finger of each hand over the chalice when the server poured the water to rinse the chalice

Rinsed the paten and ciborium into the chalice

Then consumed the water in the chalice including all specks of the Host and remainders of the Precious Blood.

Only then could he release his fingers.

Sadly priests are no longer taught this and are unaware of the necessity to avoid the loss of any part of the Host. If priests were trained properly in ritual then this would equal to the taking of communion on the tongue and there would be no discrepancy.
 
Receiving our Eucharistic Lord on the tongue is preferable for the following undeniable reason: there are less abuses and opportunities for sacrilege when the Eucharist is received on the tongue (one would need to retrieve the host from their tongue ~ not very easy to do without being noticed). It’s much easier to slip the host into one’s pocket or purse if it’s already in the hand.

However, I will say that it has been very unpleasant to receive Our Lord on the tongue from Extraordinary Ministers who don’t know how to properly place the host – more than one time I’ve had unskilled EM’s fingers touch my tongue.

If I had my druthers people would just relax, take time and allow communion to take ten minutes longer so that everyone could receive from the priest (and/or deacon where they are lucky enough to have one).
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JP2Admirer:
I have a deep respect for the Eucharist
Actually it is not the Eucharist that we respect it is the Real Presence of Our Lord’s Flesh and Blood actually present in the consecrated species of bread and wine.

Perhaps this is what others have been trying to point out. However much respect you have for the act of communion (and I know many protestants who greatly respect the communion in their churches without believing in the Real Presence), to a Catholic it is the reality of consuming Our Lord’s very flesh and blood that leads us to claim “the moral high ground”.

Unity in Truth is the desire of Our Lord but unity in error is the wish of Satan.
 
Reading all the posts, I have to tell you that I feel sad over the most Wonderful Treasure given to us by Our Divine Lord Jesus Christ. The controversy over receiving Him on our tongue or in the hand should not be. The soul who prepares himself to receive the Holy Eucharist will have reached from within, within, within to spiritually welcome Our Lord and our bodily manner will reflect our reception. When the priests in the past allowed casualness rather than solid, instruction to dominate the practice of our Faith they caused confusion and misunderstanding. Belief in the True Presence has suffered great loss among people who have truly been “un-taught”. Now we are wittnessing the results. The resistance to once again teaching and preparing souls for belief in our Catholic teachings is double hard but we must not weaken.
Teaching (speaking and listening to one another) must not be personally demeaning nor received in insulted pride. We need to rely on the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and when we listen and obey we will find no reason for confusion and anxiety. Strive for Holy Communion with Our Lord and the eagerness to reflect our intentions will not be casual nor will self pride enter in. Right?
 
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InnocentIII:
Actually it is not the Eucharist that we respect it is the Real Presence of Our Lord’s Flesh and Blood actually present in the consecrated species of bread and wine.
I do not understand the difference you are drawing the Eucharist **is **the Real Presence of Our Lord’s Flesh.

I normally receive in my hand. I have recently had to receive on the tongue as I have been carrying a baby (sometimes). For me (let me make it clear that I may be in a small minority and what I am saying applies to no one else) I find reception in the hand far more reverent. I always keep my head bowed and eyes downcast as an outward sign of humility. I am sure this is the result of my protestant upbringing, but a bowed head seems more humble than an outstretched tongue. If I did not believe that it was Jesus before me, I would not feel this way. But I felt very uncomfortable lifting my eyes up at the priest and presenting my tongue.

Still, since the original poster wanted to know the proper way, I applaud him and all that take their posture and more importantly their attitude serious at time of communion. I am not the same as Swiss Guard on this and I do not believe in “converting the converted” but at least there is no question asto the importance and magnitude of what is before him.
 
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pnewton:
I do not understand the difference you are drawing the Eucharist **is **the Real Presence of Our Lord’s Flesh.

I normally receive in my hand. I have recently had to receive on the tongue as I have been carrying a baby (sometimes). For me (let me make it clear that I may be in a small minority and what I am saying applies to no one else) I find reception in the hand far more reverent. I always keep my head bowed and eyes downcast as an outward sign of humility. I am sure this is the result of my protestant upbringing, but a bowed head seems more humble than an outstretched tongue. If I did not believe that it was Jesus before me, I would not feel this way. But I felt very uncomfortable lifting my eyes up at the priest and presenting my tongue.
Please don’t misunderstand me Phil, I did not mean to suggest that people could not take it in the hand and still be reverent towards Our Lord’s Body … my point was that the Eucharist is the the Consecration and Communion and that one can respect the Eucharist without believing in the Real Presence. As I said I have had protestant friends who approach their communion with deep respect and love of the Lord without in any way believing that they are receiving the actual Body of Christ. The special reverence of Catholics for the Sacred Host (as evidenced also in the reservation in the Tabernacle and the adoration before the Monstrance) lies in the reality that this is the the True Body of Our Lord.

And I would also like to make a point made both here and elsewhere - whatever the intentions of those who promoted reception in the hand it HAS led to a decrease in reverence for and belief in the Real Presence. I have seen this with my own eyes over the last 30 years. It has now reached the point where even in churches with prominent Tabernacles in the sanctuary people simply enter their seats without genuflecting, talk while they are visibly chewing the Host and treat its reception with total flippancy. It should not make a difference whether it is received in the hand or the tongue but it does … sadly it does
 
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InnocentIII:
Please don’t misunderstand me Phil, I did not mean to suggest that people could not take it in the hand and still be reverent towards Our Lord’s Body … my point was that the Eucharist is the the Consecration and Communion and that one can respect the Eucharist without believing in the Real Presence. As I said I have had protestant friends who approach their communion with deep respect and love of the Lord without in any way believing that they are receiving the actual Body of Christ. The special reverence of Catholics for the Sacred Host (as evidenced also in the reservation in the Tabernacle and the adoration before the Monstrance) lies in the reality that this is the the True Body of Our Lord.

And I would also like to make a point made both here and elsewhere - whatever the intentions of those who promoted reception in the hand it HAS led to a decrease in reverence for and belief in the Real Presence. I have seen this with my own eyes over the last 30 years. It has now reached the point where even in churches with prominent Tabernacles in the sanctuary people simply enter their seats without genuflecting, talk while they are visibly chewing the Host and treat its reception with total flippancy. It should not make a difference whether it is received in the hand or the tongue but it does … sadly it does
When I said Eucharist, I meant the Real Presence.
 
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