Receiving the Eucharist on the Tongue

[choy]

How about just answering the questions?

NO

theres your answer to that question

 

[MarkThompson]

How about just answering the questions?

Yes or No.

Ockham, could you at least answer whether you consider priestly celibacy to be a moral/dogmatic issue on par with abortion, transubstantiation, and papal infallibility, or whether you acknowledge it to be a mutable discipline of the (Roman) Church?

 

[Oneofthewomen]

There we have it. Shall we continue?

Abortion. Yes or no.

Divorce/remarriage. Yes or no.

Papal infallibility. Yes or no.

Transubstantiation. Yes or no.

OK, I will bite at your “litmus test”.

For the record, I started a thread in the traditional forum titled “How do you receive the Body of Christ?” I receive in the hand, you can go to that thread to see my reasoning.

To answer your questions-

NO!

Depends, even the church allows this with an annulment of previous marriages.
Do I think that it is often “too easy” to get an annulment? YES! But the Church does allow it, so who am I…?

Again, it depends. On matters of dogma & doctrine, YES!
If BXVI said tomorrow that from now on the sky is green, the grass is blue and the world is flat, I would strongly recommend a doctor!

ABSO-FREAKING-LUTLY!!!

So,
do I pass?
Am I Catholic enough?!

 

[Ockham]

NO

theres your answer to that question

Indeed.

I’ll consider you a pro-choice ‘catholic’ from here on end. Thus it is no surprise you favour CITH, married priests, gay marriage, etc.

The honourable thing to do is leave.

 

[Ockham]

Ockham, could you at least answer whether you consider priestly celibacy to be a moral/dogmatic issue on par with abortion, transubstantiation, and papal infallibility, or whether you acknowledge it to be a mutable discipline of the (Roman) Church?

How about supplying us with your account of how CITH got into the GIRM first? LIke I asked awhile ago.

 

[choy]

Indeed.

I’ll consider you a pro-choice ‘catholic’ from here on end. Thus it is no surprise you favour CITH, married priests, gay marriage, etc.

The honourable thing to do is leave.

don’t forget that i do cartwheels in the middle of mass while wearing a different costume of a comic book super hero each week

yes, you’ve painted me that way a long time ago. don’t pretend this is the first time you’re putting that label on me. you detest me because i stand for the truth about valid practices in the Church that you personally are against. and to discredit me, you resort to this. i’m not as shallow, i wouldn’t think that all Traditional Catholics are this way. its just that a small minority can’t keep their mouth shut and make a bad impression for the true and pious Traditional Catholics out there, who are concerned about doing the right thing and not about doing things their way

 

[MarkThompson]

How about supplying us with your account of how CITH got into the GIRM first? LIke I asked awhile ago.

I’m not sure why you won’t give a simple yes or no on something you clearly must have an opinion of until I’ve provided a historical essay, but I’ll just say that I don’t know the specifics, and I’m sure it was a combination of factors.

 

[At_Trent]

How about supplying us with your account of how CITH got into the GIRM first? LIke I asked awhile ago.

Didn’t CITH begin as a liturgical abuse ? And when asked, the worlds Bishops said no to it ?

Something that was not introduced by Rome was insisted on by those at the lower end of the pecking order.

They will never get it Ockham. These people refuse to admit it. They scream “obedience”, but defend disobedience, or deny it, because finally a pope who was afraid to be disobeyed caved.

 

[choy]

Didn’t CITH begin as a liturgical abuse ? And when asked, the worlds Bishops said no to it ?

Something that was not introduced by Rome was insisted on by those at the lower end of the pecking order.

They will never get it Ockham. These people refuse to admit it. They scream “obedience”, but defend disobedience, or deny it, because finally a pope who was afraid to be disobeyed caved.

how about you? when will you obey to where the Church is today?

back atcha

 

[diggerdomer]

I’m not 100% sure of an answer to this so I’m asking you folks who know the best. I grew up in a Traditionalist Catholic church and we always received the Eucharist on our tongues. However, when I started going to the parish I attend now, we receive the Eucharist in our hands. However, I see some people (especially the elderly) receiving it on their tongues still.

Well, my question is can I do that as well? Is it appropriate for me to choose to receive the Eucharist on my tongue? I find it more respectful.

Either way is fine unless Church law where you live indicates otherwise.

 

[diggerdomer]

Thanks for your responses Mark, but the question was put to choy. Choy keeps making references to a traditional hidden agenda. The point of my questions is to find out where choy stands on certain aspects of Catholicism. I’m curious to know if those who defend CITH most strenuously are also in favour of other non-Catholic practices or beliefs. Remember when I asked you for an account of how CITH got in the GIRM? Are you going to take me up on that?

choy, if you decline to participate I’ll assume your answers are the opposite of what Mark posted.

As to your other charges, no I have never said COTT was the only way it’s ever been done. However, you conveniently ignore that the Vatican made it the norm and ruled against CITH.

Have you seen the surveys on belief in the Real Presence? Any idea why it’s been dropping lately?

CITH is not non-Catholic. The Catholic Church approves it.

 

[At_Trent]

Here’s the answer from Pope Benedict quoted in his own words. This article was written by Dave Martin.

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Pope Benedict to Catholics: Kneel For Communion

“Whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the Body and of the Blood of the Lord… For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the Body of the Lord” - 1 Corinthians 11:27,28
Pope Benedict to Catholics:
Kneel and Receive on the Tongue Only
Pope Benedict XVI does not want the faithful receiving Communion in their hand nor does he want them standing to receive Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. According to Vatican liturgist, Monsignor Guido Marini, the pope is trying to set the stage for the whole church as to the proper norm for receiving Communion for which reason communicants at his papal Masses are now asked to kneel and receive on the tongue.
The Holy Father’s reasoning is simple: “We Christians kneel before the Blessed Sacrament because, therein, we know and believe to be the presence of the One True God.” (May 22, 2008)
According to the pope the entire Church should kneel in adoration before God in the Eucharist. “Kneeling in adoration before the Eucharist is the most valid and radical remedy against the idolatries of yesterday and today” (May 22, 2008)
The pope’s action is in accord with the Church’s 2000 year tradition and is being done in order to foster a renewed love and respect for the Eucharist which presently is being mocked and treated with contempt. The various trends and innovations of our time (guitar liturgy, altar girls, lay ministers, Communion in the hand) have worked together to destroy our regard for the Eucharist, thus advancing the spiritual death of the church. After all, the Eucharist is the very life and heartbeat of the Mystical Body around which the entire Church must revolve.
Kneeling also coincides with the Church’s centuries old ordinance that only the consecrated hands of a priest touch the Body of Christ in Holy Communion. “To priests alone has been given power to consecrate and administer to the faithful, the Holy Eucharist.” (Council of Trent) This teaching is beautifully expressed by St. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologica: “Because out of reverence towards this sacrament, nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this sacrament.”
It is for reason that Pope Paul VI in his May 1969 pastoral letter to the world’s bishops reaffirmed the Church’s teaching on the reception of Communion, stating that: “This method on the tongue must be retained.” (Memoriale Domini) This came in response to the bishops of Holland who started Communion in the hand in defiance of the centuries old decree from the Council of Rouen (650 A.D.) where this practice was condemned as sacrilegious. “Do not put the Eucharist in the hands of any layperson, but only in their mouths.” To date this prohibition has never been overturned legally.

Today Communion in the hand is carried on illegally and has become a major tool of the enemy to destory the Faith throughout the world. For this practice serves no other purpose than to warp our conception of Jesus Christ and nourish a contempt for the sacred mysteries. It’s no wonder St. Basil referred to Communion in the hand as “a grave fault.”

That is to say, Communion in the hand is not tied with Catholic tradition. This practice was first introduced to the Church by the heretical Arians of the 4th century as a means of expressing their belief that Christ was not divine. Unfortunately, it has served to express the same in our time and has been at the very heart of the present heresy and desecration that is rampant throughout the universal Church. If we have ‘abuse’ problems today it is because we’re abusing the Sacrament - it’s backfiring on us!
Thanks to Communion in the hand, members of satanic cults are now given easy access to come into the Church and take the Host so that they bring it back to their covens where it is abused and brutalized in the ritualistic Black Mass to Satan. They crush the Host under their shoes as a mockery to the living God, and we assist it with our casual practice? Amongst themselves the satanists declare that Communion in the hand is the greatest thing that ever happened to them, and we do nothing to stop it?

Hence, the Holy Father is doing his part to try to purge the Church of abuse and we as members of Christ are called upon to assist him. For your encouragement we include the following quotation from Cardinal Llovera, the new prefect for the Vatican’s Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments speaking to Life Site News on July 22, 2009: “It is the mission of the Congregation for Divine Worship and Sacraments to work to promote Pope Benedict’s emphasis on the traditional practices of liturgy, such as reception of Communion on the tongue while kneeling.”

continued

 

[At_Trent]

Here is the rest of the article…It was too long to post within one thread.

Also worth considering is the recent decree from Cardinal Caffarra, the Archbishop of Bologna Italy, forbidding the practice of Communion in the hand: “Many cases of profanation of the Eucharist have occurred, profiting by the possibility to receive the consecrated Bread on one’s palm of the hand… Considering the frequency in which cases of irreverent behavior in the act of receiving the Eucharist have been reported, we dispose that starting from today in the Metropolitan Church of St. Peter, in the Basilica of St. Petronius and in the Shrine of the Holy Virgin of St. Luke in Bologna the faithful are to receive the consecrated Bread only from the hands of the Minister directly on the tongue.” (from his decree on the reception of the Eucharist, issued April 27, 2009)
Technically all bishops and clergy are bound to follow the Holy Father’s directive on this issue, but in the meantime the faithful are not obliged to wait for the approval of their bishop in order to kneel for God. The directives of the Holy Father are not subject to the veto or scrutiny of the bishops and therefore all pastors and laity have a right and duty to put these directives into practice for the edification of their communities.
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David Martin

Bears repeating.

This video below is well worth watching and hearing a Bishop set the record straight on some of the arguments presented in support of CITH.

gloria.tv/?media=2710

 

[nice2000]

Bears repeating.

This video below is well worth watching and hearing a Bishop set the record straight on some of the arguments presented in support of CITH.

gloria.tv/?media=2710

Hi Trent,

I watched the first video. I didn’t quite understand what the Bishop was saying. Was he saying that it is okay to receive Our Lord in our hands? or was he saying it is more reverent to receive Our Lord on our tongue?

I am going to continue to follow what the Pope has stated for us to do. Receive Our Lord on our tongue while kneeling.

Thank you for sharing.

Patricia