Receivng Communion on your Hand

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Why would you think that it is ok to hold it in your hand, essentially giving yourself communion?
I recognise that this has become a soert of defacto “norm” (after this started in Europe it was like a wildfire…raging uncontrollable) it kind of was “just accepted”. You can tell me all day that the USCCB “says” it is ok adn that the church says it is ok but in our heart of hearts we know better.
It’s ok because the Church teaches it is.

We are not giving ourselves communion, as has been pointed out numerous times, we are receiving it (whether in the hand, on the tongue, by intinction, by spoon, or whatever other method the Magisterium approves).

It’s not just the USCCB that says it’s ok, it’s the USCCB having received the approval of Rome (the Vatican, the Magisterium) that says it’s ok. If you or anyone in your hearts knows better than the Magisterium, well, God bless you and pray for the rest of us.
 
Where does the Church teach that? How can we “propitiate God”? I’m sorry, I don’t understand that phrase. Or, why we need to “remind” God…did God forget?

Thanks for any clarification.
Meaning of ‘propitiate’.

And:

From Wikipedia (the first site I found, my emphasis, below):
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"The Council of Trent reaffirmed traditional Christian teaching that the Mass is the same Sacrifice of Calvary offered in an unbloody manner: “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different. And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner… this sacrifice is truly propitiatory” (Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367). The Council declared that Jesus instituted the Mass at his Last Supper: “He offered up to God the Father His own body and blood under the species of bread and wine; and, under the symbols of those same things, He delivered (His own body and blood) to be received by His apostles, whom He then constituted priests of the New Testament; and by those words, Do this in commemoration of me, He commanded them and their successors in the priesthood, to offer (them); even as the Catholic Church has always understood and taught.”[2]

The Catholic Church sees the Mass as the most perfect way it has to offer latria (adoration) to God. The Church believes that “The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it.”[3] It is also Catholic belief that in objective reality, not merely symbolically, the wheaten bread and grape wine are converted into Christ’s body and blood, a conversion referred to as transubstantiation, so that the whole Christ, body and blood, soul and divinity, is truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the Eucharist.[4]"*

So, keep receiving the Body Of Christ into your hand, where your forefathers would have horrified at so doing. What’s the benefit, spiritual or practical? I see none.

In my opinion, going from COTT, kneeling to CITH, standing is sending the wrong message to Heaven. The excuses given for it appear to be:
  1. It was done (in other rites?) 1600+ years ago, so it’s OK now to insert it into the Roman rite.
  2. It is done in one or two Eastern Catholic rites now, so it’s Ok to drop what we did in our Roman Catholic diocese for hundreds of years.
  3. We now have an indult, which arose from a disobedient act, with COTT still being declared the norm.
Let us mention, once more, the Arian heresy and how that had the approval of most of the Magisterium at one time. A more recent one is Jansenism.

Bishops can make errors. You can’t leave your critical faculties behind when you go to Mass.

CITH, standing, from a laywoman makes no sense to me compared to what we did previously. Added to the other changes and it’s hard to escape the impression that we are being led down the road, bit by bit, by some sections of the hierarchy, to a 'communal teaching meal’


I would like to hear the Mass of my forefathers in the church they built. I don’t particularly want to participate in a modernised Eucharistic Celebration in a Community Worship Space.
 
I think ultimately the answer was in this past Sunday’s gospel reading (Mk 7:1-8, 14-15, 21-23). The theme is that sin comes from the heart.
So whether we receive in the hand or on the tongue, it is ultimately the state of our hearts that determine if we are worthy of receiving the body and blood, soul and divinity of the Most Holy Eucharist. We must take care not to confuse the human element with the Divine in religion.👍
Nuffsed.
 
In my opinion, going from COTT, kneeling to CITH, standing is sending the wrong message to Heaven.

**And what is the wrong message being sent to Heaven by this?

Be specific.

In those churches where receiving standing, or in the hand, is ancient and traditional, have THEY been “sending the wrong message to Heaven”?**
 
In those churches where receiving standing, or in the hand, is ancient and traditional, have THEY been “sending the wrong message to Heaven”?
Not to mention all the saints and martyrs from the first centuries of the Church.

Of course the answer to that one is alway that you don’t allow something just because it was the norm in the early Church. Allowing something from the past is only ok if it’s the past that I like. :rolleyes:

There is most certainly a tendency from some here to do exactly what Sunday’s gospel addressed about making traditions of men into unchangeable doctrine and believe that these small “t” traditions of externals are the judgeable expressions of devotion to God. It certainly must make for a bitter, narrow world. 😦

The “wrong message” here is leading people to believe that it’s ok to be judging other people’s reverence based on how they receive.

And Jesus wept
 
=Ailina -Actually, I don’t TAKE Jesus at all. That would be reaching into the cup and helping myself. I receive the host from whoever is giving out communion that week. In my hand, as is the custom as long as I can remember. I know what is going on, so am entirely reverent and half-quaking as to whether I should be there at all, ever.
***I applaud your understanding of whom and WHAT is that we are blessed to receive in Catholic Holy Communion. No doubt that no matter what is shared you will [as you should, providing that you are not driven from pride or lack of understanding] you will continue to do it your way.

You should know why others like me are appalled at this practice.

The Fathers of Vatican II specifically addressed and SOUNDLY defeated the proposal of Communion under both species, and Communion in the hand. Despite this FACT the practice was introduced here in America, in deliberate disobedience to our Pope and the Roman Catholic Magerterium. It was perniciously and duplicitously FORCED as “mandates of Vatican II” and when challenged to give evidence of such, the reply was, “it is with the spirit of V 2”

A tenet of Moral Theology is “ that one may not do an evil hoping to accomplish some good.” So was what was forced in disobedience, in hind site good? NOPE!

From the 2008 PEW Report:
Self-professed Catholics who regularly attended Sunday and Holy Day Mass in 1970 was nearly 75%. In 2008 that number had dropped to about 23%.

In 1970 nearly 70% of self professed Catholics went to Confession at least once per year [which is a Catholics Easter Duty.] Today that number hovers around 10%

Catholic Churches and parish consolidations are the norm, closing of Catholic Schools is expected, and Vocations to the priesthood in America are not keeping pace with dying and retiring priest. NO priest = No Jesus = NO CHURCH!

Born out of deliberate disobedience, Communion under Both species in order to get laity on a par with priest, and communion in the hand, which is a VERY PROTESTANT practice, are primary causes in this many faceted, many causes for loss of souls, loss of understanding that it Really is Jesus that we receive, and loss of Vocations.

One should further know that in the Universal Catholic Church, Communion on the Tongue remains the NORM and ORDINARY method to receive Christ our Lord. Our Pope will only, ONLY permit receiving Jesus when one kneels and on the tongue. Why? Because it really is God that we receive.

One does not sin, in receiving Jesus our Lord in ones hand! But This is by some a Prideful and far less pious and fitting way to receives one God in Obedience to His Command.

Have an informed conscience, and know that God will hold us accountable for every decision that we make.

Love and prayers,

Pat***
 
My husband disagrees with me that I receive the Body of Christ on my hand while he says he is not worthy of holding Him and sticks out his tongue.
I am an extraordinary minister and better than 90 percent of the parishioners get it on their hand. I was not told by our pastor (nor does our parish enforce) that we should receive our Lord on our tongues only.
Is there a church teaching on this? When I was growing up, everyone got it on their tongues and everyone knelt in front of and around the altar (this was in the Philippines in the 60s and maybe 70s).
Any thoughts?
If it has not been suggested yet - you should read this book (I think this should be required reading for every Catholic): Dominus Est ~ It is the Lord!

A blog post about the book: te-deum.blogspot.com/2008/03/help-newman-house-press-to-publish.html

God bless this holy Bishop.

I can’t imagine why anyone would want to receive in the hand after reading this, or from an EMHC.

~Liza
 
In my opinion, going from COTT, kneeling to CITH, standing is sending the wrong message to Heaven.

**And what is the wrong message being sent to Heaven by this?

Be specific.

In those churches where receiving standing, or in the hand, is ancient and traditional, have THEY been “sending the wrong message to Heaven”?**
That’s the key. It’s not ancient and traditional in the Roman Rite. It’s been inserted, in disobedience, into that rite.
  • Kneeling as a reverential act: Gone.
  • Having someone place the host on your tongue as an act of humilty: Gone.
  • Symbolically saying you’re not even worthy enough to touch the Host with your hand, as act of humilty: Gone.
To change to standing up, into your hand, in a queue, from a layperson says Communion is not such a big deal any more.

For the record, which rites, of the 20(?) or so, of the Eastern Catholic Church, have CITH, standing, as the norm, from ancient times? And why should we copy them?
 
That’s the key. It’s not ancient and traditional in the Roman Rite. It’s been inserted, in disobedience, into that rite.
  • Kneeling as a reverential act: Gone.
  • Having someone place the host on your tongue as an act of humilty: Gone.
  • Symbolically saying you’re not even worthy enough to touch the Host with your hand, as act of humilty: Gone.
To change to standing up, into your hand, in a queue, from a layperson says Communion is not such a big deal any more.

For the record, which rites, of the 20(?) or so, of the Eastern Catholic Church, have CITH, standing, as the norm, from ancient times? And why should we copy them?
The attitude that the bishops are the ones who define rubrics, and the laity respect their authority…Gone?

I think the oldest tradition is that when the bishops permit something, the laity doesn’t pretend to know better, or try to add something to the teaching of the successors of the Apostles…that is, those successors whom the Almighty actually chose for us, in our own time. That’s the hand we were dealt, and the cards are from God. Even St. Paul recognized this, and he was a bishop, and he knew he was right. He still went to Jerusalem and made his case. He would have abided by whatever decision was handed down, because he trusted that God would guide the Apostles to the right.

Defining what is allowed by the rubrics is our heirarchy’s perogative, part of their office in which they act with the headship of Christ. Each bishop is the chief liturgist of his diocese. There is a reason these men aren’t elected by the laity.

The last time I went to Mass, there was still kneeling and genuflecting. There was a bow to the Blessed Sacrament before reception. It is incorrect to say that kneeling and reverential acts are gone, just because they are not the acts one personally finds the most edifying. The Mass was entirely in obedience to our archbishop and to Rome!

I am all for communicating with the heirarchy about what we find edifying and reverent, what we find distressing or distracting, and ardently praying and seeking permission to preserve that which is most valuable. That is proper to our place as laity. We aren’t meant to simply turn off our hearts and minds off and keep our mouths shut. Part of their discernment requires them to hear us. (The parable of the widow who took on the judge comes to mind.)

I think we have to draw the line, though, at trying to pretend that God made a mistake in putting the bishops we have in charge instead of one of us…which I think saying that what Rome currently allows is disobedient absolutely does. I cannot see how that is defensible in the name of guarding the ancient expression of our humility, of all things! Being our own guides leads to the the thinking that got Martin Luther in such trouble, the kind of thinking that is getting those Roman Catholic Womenpriests in such trouble. Should we copy them? That is ground on which angels fear to tread.

I think the traditional Catholics who have remained respectful of the heirarchy for this past half century, even when it hurt to do so, did the right thing. Yet they did not give up, either. That was a tremendous example. We should imitate them…and if you are them, you should not grow weary of doing what is right.

It is a profound shock for a Western Catholic to hear this, as accustomed as we are to democracy, free speech, and voting with our feet and our dollars, but there is a real limit to how important our opinions are, in any cosmic sense. When it is God’s opinion we carry, we can be sure that God will not find our humility and profound respect in dealing with our bishops any handicap. God never finds virtue a handicap, or gives us an end which requires us to depart from his virtues as a means.

There is the practical issue that lack of humility in pursuing something with the bishops leads to the impression that we are on our own mission, not God’s. With humility, however, you never know. You may get a tilma full of roses in February to make your case for you. No matter what, though, never lose faith that His means are the right means. Abraham didn’t see the answer to God’s promise to him, either, but God always comes through.
 
That’s the key. It’s not ancient and traditional in the Roman Rite. It’s been inserted, in disobedience, into that rite.
  • Kneeling as a reverential act: Gone.
  • Having someone place the host on your tongue as an act of humilty: Gone.
  • Symbolically saying you’re not even worthy enough to touch the Host with your hand, as act of humilty: Gone.
To change to standing up, into your hand, in a queue, from a layperson says Communion is not such a big deal any more.

For the record, which rites, of the 20(?) or so, of the Eastern Catholic Church, have CITH, standing, as the norm, from ancient times? And why should we copy them?
Kneeling as a reverential act isn’t gone. A lot of people do it. Go ahead and kneel if you want to.
Receiving the host on your tongue as an act of humility isn’t gone either. Go ahead and receive communion on your tongue if you want to.
Symbolically expressing your lack of worthiness by not touching the host with your hand isn’t gone. You don’t have to touch the host and no one forces you to.
All of these options are open to you and there is no need to moan about them being gone. Make them present in your own worship if you want to. A lot of people might appreciate your witness.
 
I am arguing against CITH, standing, and for COTT, kneeling. If you do the former, then the acts of humility associated with the latter are gone. That’s what I meant.

I know you can receive COTT, standing, if you motion to the priest and he ‘gets’ what you want. If you want to make a scene and receive COTT, kneeling in the Communion queue, you can do so. I did it, once. Makes you feel very self conscious. So it is, I would say, also, gone, practically, in many churches, as far as I can gather from these forums and the Masses I attend.

I prefer to attend the TLM, where I am not troubled by modifications to the rite. In the N.O. Mass, I make my way to the priest’s queue (occasionally having to hop over a radiator, in one church), and motion to him that I want COTT, while standing.

To: Easter Joy:

A Bishop or Bishop’s conference can define the rubrics whatever way they want. They can even ignore the norm and mandate CITH if they want, 'though I don’t see the value, compared to the previous practice.

**I am arguing against those changes and have given what I think are practical reasons why. As support, I also have the previous ancient practice; I’m not a radical making something up. I am not bound in obedience to not criticise the changes or to attend Masses where they are present if a lawful/licit alternative is available

Other perturbing things about the changes is that they have happened rapidly, in Church terms, and in the manner of a fashion craze; not coming from the top, by Papal decree. Also, no approved private revelation has specifically supported them either before or after, as far as I know(?) You’d think Heaven’s stated mandate would be need for such major changes(?) **

Apart from the changes to the text, the other changes (versus populum, table altar, CITH, EMHCs, folksy vernacular hymns) seem to have been ‘off the bat’.
 
Diggerdomer: " I disagree, I don’t think the Magisterium would approve a fad."
This is your personal opinion and I respect your right to it. I do not agree and there is no teaching of the Church on the subject.
 
when i was growing up we used to have to kneel at the alter and receive communion and have the host put on the tounge.

it was a practice i continue today guess out of habit.

like saying the creed. we used to say the Apostles Creed and not the Nicene Creed.
i still have a problem with remembering the Nicene Creed words and don’t fully understand why the cahnge was made in the first place:shrug:.
 
A Bishop or Bishop’s conference can define the rubrics whatever way they want. They can even ignore the norm and mandate CITH if they want
No, they can’t. They need approval from the Vatican.
 
Diggerdomer: " I disagree, I don’t think the Magisterium would approve a fad."
This is your personal opinion and I respect your right to it. I do not agree and there is no teaching of the Church on the subject.
Thanks James, yep, that’s what I meant, just my opinion that the Magisterium wouldn’t approve a fad. I never said anything about Church teaching regarding fads.
 
No, they can’t. They need approval from the Vatican.
Really? I wonder how they justify it?

*"We have a lot of parishioners who think their chances of salvation will be increased if we change to CITH …

… your Holiness …

… [Gulp]."*

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when i was growing up we used to have to kneel at the alter and receive communion and have the host put on the tounge.

it was a practice i continue today guess out of habit.

like saying the creed. we used to say the Apostles Creed and not the Nicene Creed.
i still have a problem with remembering the Nicene Creed words and don’t fully understand why the cahnge was made in the first place:shrug:.
Don’t worry - our wonderful Holy Father is slowly but surely getting us back to where we need to be, and trying to un-do some of the damage done by the post Vatican II “spirit” :rolleyes:.

~Liza
 
Back when I made my First Holy Communion, it was by kneeling at the altar railing, communion on the tongue. When I was in my teens and the practice changed to ‘in the hand’, it took me years before I could get comfortable with it. It just didn’t seem right to hold my Lord in my grubby little paws. 😊

Years later, I have come to recognize that I often have less "reverence/respect/realization’ of the Real Presence when I go up to receive in my hand. Somehow over the years, the ‘mystery’ gave way to complacency. It became just a ‘normal’ item for consumption. In my head I knew it wasn’t. But in my heart I had lost that sense of awe. 😦 So I recently went back to receiving on the tongue and I am finally getting back to that place where I know and fully feel the Presence of our Lord.

They say that 70% of Catholics in the US either do not know, or do not believe that the Eucharist is the True and Real Presence of our Lord. IMHO, hand-reception has contributed to this. Despite the fact that I know the early church Fathers took in their hands, they also KNEW unequivocally what the Eucharist was. They KNEW it was the Real Presence! And they were willing to risk their lives to partake. Now, so many thousands of years later, no longer risking our lives to go to Mass, so many have become complacent and do not understand the miracle that they partake in. 🤷

So for me - having been in a gray fog for too many years, and only just now coming out of it to pay homage and reverence to my Lord - for me, part of the journey towards understanding and feeling Christ’s Presence was to go back to COTT. It needs to not be “normal eating”. It needs to be “extra-ordinary” eating.

That’s just me and my story. But I have asked my DH (Tiber swim team, Class of '93) and young children to join me in reception on the tongue, despite it being the not-so-average method of reception here. I want us all to always keep the reverence and awe and respect and REALization of the REAL Presence uppermost in our hearts and minds. For me, that is part and parcel with not holding the host myself.
 
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