Recent peer reviewed paper overturns Neo Darwinian mathematical model

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Techno2000 said:
Evolution made them fit
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That’s not how this works.
Techno2000 said:
what exactly was it that cause them to die out?
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Change. Those that could survive in a changed world survived, those that couldn’t didn’t. Usually, change is very slow. This is why we don’t generally see sudden mass extinctions; there is a long time during which traits are gradually selected for within populations. But sometimes, there’s a sudden, massive change, like a large meteor hitting the earth. And then we see mass extinctions, because almost nothing has the traits to survive such sudden changes.

Again, don’t think of this as “evolution does this, evolution does that, evolution makes this.” That’s not how this works. Organisms with certain traits reproduce more successfully than organisms with other certain traits. Over time, the latter traits disappear from the population while the former become ubiquitous. This is evolution. It’s not some magical force that transforms a creature to fit his surroundings. This isn’t Pokemon.
 
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Change. Those that could survive in a changed world survived, those that couldn’t didn’t. Usually, change is very slow. This is why we don’t generally see sudden mass extinctions; there is a long time during which traits are gradually selected for within populations.
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Do you really believe this scenario play out like this for 10 million different kinds of plant and animal species ?
 
Oh goodness gracious. The fossil record is the basis for the theory. It is incomplete for a number of reasons, but it supports the theory of evolution.

I’m done here. I would agree with you that the thing that you call “evolution” does not occur, though.
 
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Obviously. Why else would I be arguing for the idea?
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Then the fossil record should show it.
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And it does, not to mention that the molecular evidence by and large matches the fossil record.
 
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Oh goodness gracious. The fossil record is the basis for the theory. It is incomplete for a number of reasons, but it supports the theory of evolution.

I’m done here. I would agree with you that the thing that you call “evolution” does not occur, though.
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And that’s the real problem. Between quote mining peer reviewed literature which clearly does not state what the posters seem to imagine such articles state, and what appears to be a knowledge of evolution so thin that it’s basically nothing more than a bizarre caricature of the actual theory, I can only come to the conclusion, as charitably as I may, that some posters here actually don’t want to understand the science at all.
 
niceatheist said:
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HopkinsReb:
Oh goodness gracious. The fossil record is the basis for the theory. It is incomplete for a number of reasons, but it supports the theory of evolution.

I’m done here. I would agree with you that the thing that you call “evolution” does not occur, though.
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And that’s the real problem. Between quote mining peer reviewed literature which clearly does not state what the posters seem to imagine such articles state, and what appears to be a knowledge of evolution so thin that it’s basically nothing more than a bizarre caricature of the actual theory, I can only come to the conclusion, as charitably as I may, that some posters here actually don’t want to understand the science at all.
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No, all I want is a little more detail, can you provide it ?
 
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“Mass extinction” does not mean “universal extinction.”

Also, modern archaeology has found that dinosaurs were generally much more birdlike than we used to think they were.

The better way to put it would be that the dinosaurs most like what we now call “birds” possessed the best traits for surviving the cataclysmic event that led to the extinction as most dinosaurs.
 
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“Mass extinction” does not mean “universal extinction.”

Also, modern archaeology has found that dinosaurs were generally much more birdlike than we used to think they were.

The better way to put it would be that the dinosaurs most like what we now call “birds” possessed the best traits for surviving the cataclysmic event that led to the extinction as most dinosaurs.
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You mean like their half reptile skin/half feathers could shake off mud and debris better than other animals?
 
Evolution happens over long periods of time. Millions of years, even billions. Evolution has “slowed” for us because we are relying less on our environment and more on our intellect.
 
I didn’t say they were half scaly, half feathery. I said they were birdlike. Feathers help flight, and I have to imagine flight was and is pretty helpful.
 
Why are the nastiest germs found in the hospital sink?
It’s just an accident !
 
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A nondescript plant live millions of years ago.Certain environmental factors came into play that led it to becoming unfit.But through evolution its offspring left traits so that after many successive generations it became the artichoke plant we know today. Question what kind of environmental factors would be the catalyst for this?
 
goout said:
Why are the nastiest germs found in the hospital sink?
It’s just an accident !
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Nobody is arguing microevolution, its trying extrapolate that into macroevolution, that’s the problem .
 
Yes, that is obviously what I’m saying. Modern classification considers birds to be extant dinosaurs.
 
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Techno2000:
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goout:
Why are the nastiest germs found in the hospital sink?
It’s just an accident !
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Nobody is arguing microevolution, its trying extrapolate that into macroevolution, that’s the problem .
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Yea, not going to get into it.
Take a 100 level earth science class.
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There’s a big difference going from a germ to this…
 
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