Recieved Eucharist from "catholic" female priest? Is it a mortal sin?

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According to this CAF article, it states:

"No one is automatically excommunicated for any offense if, without any fault of his own, he was unaware that he was violating a law (CIC 1323:2) or that a penalty was attached to the law (CIC 1324:1:9). "

Seems like the OP didn’t fully grasp the situation he/she was in, so I would venture to say that excommunication probably doesn’t apply in the OP’s case, but I would still think confessing this to a priest would definitely be a good idea.
 
Well, the right thing to do is to go to Confession and tell the whole sad tale to the Priest there. I am not sure but depending on your level of participation there may be excommunications that apply. It is that serious a breech with the Church to attend the Masses these ordained women preform. The big tip off in the story is the fact that about halfway through the Mass people started getting up and leaving. Obviously the womanpriest was visible by those in front and they knew enough to not participate in her Mass for fear of automatic excommunication for doing so. They were hostage to those in charge of that Parish and were there in good faith for a genuine Mass but the Pastor let the lady serve. This is an offense that has automatic excommunications involved. You cannot participate in these highly illicit Masses without incurring one automatically that is why those in the front where the OP couldn’t see left to avoid excommunication and censure. It really is that bad. GET YE TO THE CONFESSIONAL PROMPTLY! And never go there again.

Glenda
Wow, I had no idea! I’ve always known that a Catholic who knowingly receives communion at a Protestant church is committing a mortal sin. But is it really an excommunicable offense as well?

As another poster said above, could you provide a source for this please? Forgive my ignorance, I am still learning about Catholic canon law.
 
Alrightie then. Just what I wanted to do with my Sunday - dig through the documents at the Vatican website regarding the penalties for all the crimes these crazy women are guilty of and their accomplices and aides. Gee whiz. Fun, fun, fun.

So far, I’ve found these excerpts and I’m still looking.

The delicta graviora** reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith** were as follows:

Delicts against the sanctity of the Most Holy Sacrament and Sacrifice of the Eucharist:…2. Attempting the liturgical action of the Eucharistic sacrifice or the simulation thereof (CIC can. 1378 § 2 n. 1, can. 1379; CCEO can. 1443).

vatican.va/resources/resources_introd-storica_en.html

The above means those participating in a falsified Eucharistic celebration are at least sent to the CDF for the remedy of their delicta gravora (grave delict)

And this applies as well: Can. 1378 §1. A priest who acts against the prescript of ⇒ can. 977 incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See.

§2. The following incur a latae sententiae penalty of interdict or, if a cleric, a latae sententiae penalty of suspension:

1/ a person who attempts the liturgical action of the Eucharistic sacrifice though not promoted to the sacerdotal order;

2/ apart from the case mentioned in §1, a person who, though unable to give sacramental absolution validly, attempts to impart it or who hears sacramental confession.

§3. In the cases mentioned in §2, other penalties, not excluding excommunication, can be added according to the gravity of the delict.

Can. 1379 In addition to the cases mentioned in ⇒ can. 1378, a person who simulates the administration of a sacrament is to be punished with a just penalty.

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P54.HTM

This is what hit them first, although it doesn’t apply to the OP unless she was part of the actual attempted Ordinations : 1. It is necessary above all to state precisely that the case under consideration does not involve a latae sententiae penalty, which is incurred ipso facto when a delict expressly established by the law is committed. It concerns instead ferendae sententiae penalty, imposed after the guilty party has been duly warned (cf. Canons 1314; 1347 § 1). As provided by Canon 1319 § 1, this Congregation has the power to threaten determinate penalties by precept.
  1. The particular gravity of the offenses committed is evident, which can be seen from various aspects.
a) There is first of all the issue of schism: The above-mentioned women were “ordained” by a schismatic bishop and – even though not formally adhering to his schism – thereby made themselves accomplices in schism.

b) In addition there is the doctrinal aspect, namely, that they formally and obstinately reject a doctrine which the church has always taught and lived, and which was definitively proposed by Pope John Paul II, namely, “that the church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women” (Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, 4). The denial of this doctrine is rightly considered the denial of a truth that pertains to the Catholic faith and therefore deserves a just penalty (cf. Canons 750 §2; 1372, n. 1; John Paul II, Ad Tuendam Fidem, 4A).

Moreover, by denying this doctrine, the persons in question maintain that the magisterium of the Roman Pontiff would be binding only if it were based on a decision of the college of bishops, supported by the sensus fidelium and received by the major theologians. In such a way they are at odds with the doctrine on the magisterium of the successor of Peter, put forward by both the First and Second Vatican Councils, and they thereby fail to recognize that the teachings of the supreme pontiff on doctrines to be held definitively by all the faithful are irreformable.
  1. The refusal to comply with the penal precept established by this Congregation is further aggravated by the fact that some of the above-mentioned women have been gathering round them members of the faithful, in open and divisive disobedience to the Roman Pontiff and diocesan Bishops. In view of the gravity of this contumacy (cf. Canon 1347), the penalty imposed is not only just, but also necessary in order to protect true doctrine, to safeguard the communion and unity of the church and to guide the consciences of the faithful.
  2. The above-mentioned members of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith therefore confirm the Decree of excommunication issued on Aug. 5, 2002, specifying once again that the attempted priestly ordination of the aforementioned women is null and invalid (cf. Canon 1024) and therefore all those actions proper to the order of priesthood performed by them are also null and invalid (cf. Canons 124; 841). In consequence of the excommunication, they are forbidden to celebrate sacraments or sacramentals, to receive the sacraments and to exercise any function in an ecclesiastical office, ministry or assignment (cf. Canon 1331 §1).
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021221_scomunica-donne_en.html

I do remember a specific document that was issued when the women who attempted Ordination in Haverford happened (which is a short drive from where I live actually I’m ashamed to say) and it specifically stated that those who were there in the crowd just watching also incurred an excommunication just for being there. And it was reserved to the Holy See. I need to find it someplace so I’ll keep digging.

Glenda
 
Here is more help understanding why the sins committed are “special” and not to be taken lightly:
CONSIDERATIONS ON THE DELICTA GRAVIORA

CARDINAL WILLIAM LEVADA

Belo Horizonte
23 November 2011

The language we use in the Church is not always the language used by most people outside the Church. The term graviora delicta is one such example. What do we mean when we use the term graviora delicta? **In English it is translated “more grave delict (or crime).” These are external violations against faith and morals, or in the celebration of the sacraments. The Church considers such violations so serious that there is a special process to handle them. **I will address the specifics of the motu proprio Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela later in my presentation, but first I would like to offer some fundamental perspectives concerning the relations between bishops and priests, as a way of providing a context for the delicta graviora.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20111123_levada-belo-horizonte_en.html

Glenda
 
From the same document as above regarding the Holy Species:

Offences against the faith – apostasy, heresy and schism – are specifically indicated in the code of canon law (cf. can. 1364). With regard to the more grave offences committed during the celebration of the sacraments the motu proprio mentions the following three sacraments: i) the Most Holy Eucharist; ii) the Sacrament of Penance: iii) the Sacrament of Orders.

Offences Against the Eucharist (Motu Proprio Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela Art.3)

Profanation of the Eucharistic species (Art. 3, § 1, n.1°)
The attempted celebration of the Eucharistic sacrifice by a person not in Holy Orders (Art. 3, § 1, n.2°)
A simulated celebration of Eucharistic sacrifice (Art. 3, § 1, n.3°)
Concelebration of the Eucharistic sacrifice with a minister from an ecclesial community that does not share apostolic succession or that does not recognise the dignity of priestly ordination (Art. 3, § 1, n.4°)
The consecration in sacrilegum finem of one of the Eucharistic species with out the other, or of both whether outside or within the Eucharistic celebration. (Art. 3, § 2).

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20111123_levada-belo-horizonte_en.html

Glenda
 
Here is more: Art. 5

The more grave delict of the attempted sacred ordination of a woman is also reserved to the

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

1° With due regard for can. 1378 of the Code of Canon Law, both the one who attempts to confer sacred ordination on a woman, and she who attempts to receive sacred ordination, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See.

2° If the one attempting to confer sacred ordination, or the woman who attempts to receive sacred ordination, is a member of the Christian faithful subject to the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, with due regard for can. 1443 of that Code, he or she is to be punished by major excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See.

3° If the guilty party is a cleric he may be punished by dismissal or deposition[31].

vatican.va//resources/resources_norme_en.html

Glenda
 
And again:

The more grave delicts both in the celebration of the sacraments and against morals reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith are:

— Delicts against the sanctity of the most august eucharistic sacrifice and the sacraments, namely:

1° Taking or retaining the consecrated species for a sacrilegious purpose or throwing them away.4

2° Attempting the liturgical action of the eucharistic sacrifice or simulating the same.5

3° Forbidden concelebration of the eucharistic sacrifice with ministers of ecclesial communities which do not have apostolic succession and do not recognize the sacramental dignity of priestly ordination.6

4° Consecrating for a sacrilegious purpose one matter without the other in the eucharistic celebration or even both outside a eucharistic celebration.7

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010518_epistula-graviora-delicta_en.html

Glenda
 
More still:

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
regarding Graviora Delicta

Mgr Charles J. Scicluna
Promoter of Justice

A. Some preliminary considerations regarding substantive law

With reference to art. 52 of the Apostolic Constitution Pastor Bonus of 28 June 1988, art. 1 of the motu proprio Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela of 30 April 2001 distinguishes between two types of graviora delicta

a) “delicta in sacramentorum celebratione commissa” (delicts committed in the celebration of the sacraments)

b) “delicta contra mores” (delicts against morals).

Concerning the delicta graviora in sacramentorum celebratione commissa, the motu proprio takes into account only two sacraments: i) the Most Holy Sacrifice and Sacrament of the Eucharist ii) the sacrament of Penance.

The motu proprio, in art. 2, enumerates five (5) delicts against the Eucharist.
  1. The profanation of the Sacred Species (art. 2, n. 1). The motu proprio makes explicit reference (cf. n. 9) to the authentic interpretation of 4 June 1999 which included in the definition of the verb “abicere”, used in can. 1367 CIC and can. 1442 CCEO, “quamlibet actionem Sacras Species voluntarie et graviter despicientem” (any action which voluntarily and gravely offends the Sacred Species).
  2. The attempt to celebrate the Eucharistic Sacrifice by someone not in Holy Orders ( art. 2, n. 2; can. 1378 §2, n. 1 CIC). This delict, while not mentioned in the CCEO, is explicitly included in the corpus canonum ecclesiarum orientalium in virtue of the motu proprio.
  3. The simulation of the liturgical celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice (art. 2, n. 2; can. 1379 CIC; can. 1443 CCEO). For both Codes, the simulation of any of the sacraments is a delict. The motu proprio only considers the simulation of Holy Mass or of the Divine Liturgy as a delictum gravius.
vatican.va/resources/resources_mons-scicluna-graviora-delicta_en.html

Glenda
 
As for the perceived innocence of the OP, she went up to receive the Eucharist from the woman priest. Kinda hard to say she didn’t know what she was doing. You don’t generally go up for Communion in a daze and since it is among the last things done in Mass, it means you’ve pretty much participated willingly in all of it up to that point. I’ll grant some space because the Liturgy was in German, but the OP said her intent was to participate because it was Sunday and she needed to fulfill her obligation, so her intent was to worship and fully participate. One other thing comes to mind about this whole thing: voices. A man’s voice in German is very different from a woman’s voice in German and even if you don’t see a woman preforming the Eucharistic Prayers of the Liturgy, you certainly hear her and it would be very obvious that you are listening to a woman attempt to confect the Sacrament. Even if you had no visible notice of the Altar, you can still hear what is going on.

Glenda
 
Alrightie then. Just what I wanted to do with my Sunday - dig through the documents at the Vatican website regarding the penalties for all the crimes these crazy women are guilty of and their accomplices and aides. Gee whiz. Fun, fun, fun.
I’m sorry, I’m sure none of the posters here meant to inconvenience you specifically. Really, anyone could have answered my inquiry. I don’t think anyone here wanted you to waste a Sunday! I don’t mind waiting a few days for a response. Thank you for providing all that documentation though. I do appreciate it. 🙂
 
It wasn’t a waste. Not at all. I was just being myself with the comments. I usually read something spiritual on Sundays for a while in the afternoon anyway. Why not Vatican documents? Not what I planned but hey, you know what they say: if you want to find out if God has a sense of humor, just tell Him your plans!

Glenda
 
Hello Suko.
According to this CAF article, it states:

"No one is automatically excommunicated for any offense if, without any fault of his own, he was unaware that he was violating a law (CIC 1323:2) or that a penalty was attached to the law (CIC 1324:1:9). "

Seems like the OP didn’t fully grasp the situation he/she was in, so I would venture to say that excommunication probably doesn’t apply in the OP’s case, but I would still think confessing this to a priest would definitely be a good idea.
Sounds like a plausible defense.

Glenda
 
You know, at first I was giving kudos for picking up on something very few people have actually even heard of. But then I realized you were one of the “Parish Police”. Now yes, there is such a thing as fraternal correction. But our job, even if one is a Eucharistic Minister, our job is NOT to “police the faithful”. This aint Islam. :rolleyes:

At first you seemed smart and well-mannered. Then in the next breath, you start spouting socially backward hate-speech about “Oh, their soul is beyond recovery. Summon the High Inquisitor! Alert the Vatican Penitentiary! (which yes, is a real thing).”

You know, I hate people like that. They think they’re somehow high and mighty just because they know “a little something about canon and theology”. Condemning someone instead of telling them the hope of salvation, how charitable of you. Where’s the love?

Now I know I aint perfect either. But hey, at least I don’t pretend to be. 🤷
 
It is not possible to accidentally commit mortal sin. For your peace of mind, I would mention in detail what happened to your Confessor for spiritual direction.
 
Hello Born Again.
You know, at first I was giving kudos for picking up on something very few people have actually even heard of. But then I realized you were one of the “Parish Police”. Now yes, there is such a thing as fraternal correction. But our job, even if one is a Eucharistic Minister, our job is NOT to “police the faithful”. This aint Islam. :rolleyes:

At first you seemed smart and well-mannered. Then in the next breath, you start spouting socially backward hate-speech about “Oh, their soul is beyond recovery. Summon the High Inquisitor! Alert the Vatican Penitentiary! (which yes, is a real thing).”

You know, I hate people like that. They think they’re somehow high and mighty just because they know “a little something about canon and theology”. Condemning someone instead of telling them the hope of salvation, how charitable of you. Where’s the love?

Now I know I aint perfect either. But hey, at least I don’t pretend to be. 🤷
I’m wondering whose posts aren’t to your liking? And who you feel deserves the insults you’re hurling? “Parish police?” Islamic leanings? From Catholic to Muslim because of what? Hate speech filled posts? Where are they? As far as I’m concerned, it appears you saying someone thinks they are the Parish Police and calling their actions Islamic and placing some words in their mouths that aren’t there, well, whose condemning anyone? No one but you actually. ** Then you state that you actually hate people like that!** Um…if there are hate speeches here, it you who are giving one. Look at what you wrote.

Can you reveal for the rest of us who it is you think is an Islamic Parish Policer who condemns others with socially backwards hate speeches that fail to reveal hope and love?

Glenda
 
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