Recieving the Eucharist more than once a day and dispensation

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FrDavid96 said:
And the point remains that the Congregation for Rites in the Instruction tells us that a person who receives Communion the maximum number of times on Saturday morning, may receive Communion at the Sunday Mass celebrated on Saturday evening.

Therefore, a person who receives twice on Saturday morning (since the maximum has now been expanded from once to twice), MAY receive Holy Communion at the Sunday Mass celebrated on Saturday evening.
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A and C says that those that have already received Communion in the morning may also go to Communion that evening of the same calendar day, since they are beginning to celebrate Sunday or holy day of obligating in the evening (the second occurrance of Communion), and B could be twice midnight to midnight also due to the vigils being midnight Mass.

A (Twice here, one in the morning and once in the evening)
“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”

B (Twice here, once at vigil and once at the second, could be a midnight Mass)
"Those who “have received Communion during the Mass of the Easter Vigil, or during the Mass of the Lord’s Nativity, may receive Communion again at the second Easter Mass and at one of the Masses on Christmas Day.” 80

C (Twice here, one morning - Chrism - one in the evening)
“Likewise “the faithful who go to Communion at the Mass of Chrism on Holy Thursday may again receive Communion at the evening Mass of the same day,” in accordance with the Instruction Tres abhinc annos of May 4, 1967, no. 14.”
 
Vico said:
A and C says that those that have already received Communion in the morning may also go to Communion that evening of the same calendar day, since they are beginning to celebrate Sunday or holy day of obligating in the evening (the second occurrance of Communion), and B could be twice midnight to midnight also due to the vigils being midnight Mass.

A (Twice here, one in the morning and once in the evening)
“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”

B (Twice here, once at vigil and once at the second, could be a midnight Mass)
"Those who “have received Communion during the Mass of the Easter Vigil, or during the Mass of the Lord’s Nativity, may receive Communion again at the second Easter Mass and at one of the Masses on Christmas Day.” 80

C (Twice here, one morning - Chrism - one in the evening)
“Likewise “the faithful who go to Communion at the Mass of Chrism on Holy Thursday may again receive Communion at the evening Mass of the same day,” in accordance with the Instruction Tres abhinc annos of May 4, 1967, no. 14.”
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Please, please, I am begging you, leave the issues of Christmas eve and the Easter Vigil out of the conversation. They have nothing to do (directly) with the topic at hand.

You are only confusing the matter by constantly referencing Easter and Christmas. They are not what we’re talking about here.

The topic is about receiving Communion on an ordinary Sunday.
 
FrDavid96 said:
Please, please, I am begging you, leave the issues of Christmas eve and the Easter Vigil out of the conversation. They have nothing to do (directly) with the topic at hand.

You are only confusing the matter by constantly referencing Easter and Christmas. They are not what we’re talking about here.

The topic is about receiving Communion on an ordinary Sunday.
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Why is it so important to only deal with one example, when the thread is about more than once in a day in general?

If limiting only to case A only, then it is not:

“And the point remains that the Congregation for Rites in the Instruction tells us that a person who receives Communion the maximum number of times on Saturday morning, may receive Communion at the Sunday Mass celebrated on Saturday evening.”

Rather, once in the morning and once in the evening: so for your example once Saturday morning and once Saturday evening, as given below:

“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”
 
Vico said:
Why is it so important to only deal with one example, when the thread is about more than once in a day in general?

If limiting only to case A only, then it is not:

“And the point remains that the Congregation for Rites in the Instruction tells us that a person who receives Communion the maximum number of times on Saturday morning, may receive Communion at the Sunday Mass celebrated on Saturday evening.”

Rather, once in the morning and once in the evening: so for your example once Saturday morning and once Saturday evening, as given below:

“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”
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Those 2 quotes are saying the same thing.

“And the point remains that the Congregation for Rites in the Instruction tells us that a person who receives Communion the maximum number of times on Saturday morning, may receive Communion at the Sunday Mass celebrated on Saturday evening.”

“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”
 
FrDavid96 said:
Those 2 quotes are saying the same thing.

“And the point remains that the Congregation for Rites in the Instruction tells us that a person who receives Communion the maximum number of times on Saturday morning, may receive Communion at the Sunday Mass celebrated on Saturday evening.”

“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”
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Yes --when they have received ONE time in the morning.

Besides again…we are to follow the current Law not older laws.

If you two would like to have a discussion of the older laws…please start a new thread and make it clear that such is what one is discussing.
 
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"If you read the entire section 28 of Euchariscicum Mysterium, it is clear that it intended specifically to allow laity to receive Communion twice on the same 24-hour day* on Saturday Vigil Masses and specific Holy Days. (Other documents had similar instructions: Inter Oecumenici §60, Tres abhinc annos §14, Immensae Caritatis 2). The Code of Canon Law was published in 1983 — after all these documents.

Canon 917 permitting reception of Holy Communion at a second Mass in one day was meant to address particular circumstances where a person might attend a second Mass, for example a wedding or a funeral, after having already attended a Mass earlier the same day — and to receive Communion at both. Canon 921 specifically includes “danger of death” as a special circumstance to receive, “even if they have already received Holy Communion that same day”. (One reason these documents spoke in detail about precise circumstances in which one may receive Communion a second time, but only if the person is present for the whole Mass, was the abusive practice of attending many Masses, arriving just in time for the Consecration, and receiving Communion multiple times. This practice of a pious person going about “collecting Communions” is forgotten today.)
  • See Canon 202.1: “In the law, a day is understood as a period of time consisting of 24 continuous hours, and it begins at midnight, unless otherwise expressly provided…”
Helen Hull Hitchcock
Adoremus"
 
FrDavid96 said:
Those 2 quotes are saying the same thing.

“And the point remains that the Congregation for Rites in the Instruction tells us that a person who receives Communion the maximum number of times on Saturday morning, may receive Communion at the Sunday Mass celebrated on Saturday evening.”

“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”
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Yes --when they have received ONE time in the morning.

And yes it is true that the current law also allows a second Communion at Mass in the evening if one has received (once) before that day…but that is only as a “second time” not a third… day being understood as running from midnight to midnight.

If you two would like to have a discussion though of the older laws…please start a new thread and make it clear that such is what one is discussing.

We are to follow the current Law …not older laws.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
When was it abrogated?
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1983 Code of Canon Law gives the current norms.

Can. 6 §1. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated:

1/ the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917;

2/ other universal or particular laws contrary to the prescripts of this Code unless other provision is expressly made for particular laws;

3/ any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See unless they are contained in this Code;

4/ other universal disciplinary laws regarding matter which this Code completely reorders.

§2. Insofar as they repeat former law, the canons of this Code must be assessed also in accord with canonical tradition.
 
Current Law:

(Regarding “a day”)

Can. 200 Unless the law expressly provides otherwise, time is to be computed according to the norm of the following canons.

Can. 202 §1. In law, a day is understood as a period consisting of 24 continuous hours and begins at midnight unless other provision is expressly made; a week is a period of 7 days; a month is a period of 30 days, and a year is a period of 365 days unless a month and a year are said to be taken as they are in the calendar.

(Regarding communion a second time)

Can. 917 A person who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist can receive it a second time on the same day only within the eucharistic celebration in which the person participates, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 921, §2.

Can. 921 §1. The Christian faithful who are in danger of death from any cause are to be nourished by holy communion in the form of Viaticum.

§2. Even if they have been nourished by holy communion on the same day, however, those in danger of death are strongly urged to receive communion again.

§3. While the danger of death lasts, it is recommended that holy communion be administered often, but on separate days.
 
Bookcat said:
1983 Code of Canon Law gives the current norms.

Can. 6 §1. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated:

1/ the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917;

2/ other universal or particular laws contrary to the prescripts of this Code unless other provision is expressly made for particular laws;

3/ any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See unless they are contained in this Code;

4/ other universal disciplinary laws regarding matter which this Code completely reorders.

§2. Insofar as they repeat former law, the canons of this Code must be assessed also in accord with canonical tradition.
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May I infer that you believe Canon 6 §2 abrogates the documents in question.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
May I infer that you believe Canon 6 §2 abrogates the documents in question.
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It is also the very fact of the the other Canons that are there that directly regard the question at hand. Such is the Law that is current. Not prior law.
 
Dubium

Responses of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of the Legislative Texts

Q. Whether, according to c. 917, one who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist may receive it on the same day only a second time, or as often as one participates in the celebration of the Eucharist?

R. Affirmative to the first; negative to the second

Response 26-26-1984
Papal approval 11-07-1984
Promulgation 07-08-1984

(From the Code of Canon Law Annotated. Wilson and Lafleur Ltee)

If an exception to this was permitted so one could receive Holy Communion 2x during the day on a Saturday and a 3rd time at the Evening Liturgy, it would have to be *expressly *noted and would have by now…

And one will not find it “expressly” stated otherwise anywhere.

What Adoremus, and Catholic Answers, and Jimmy Akin, (and I), and others have noted is simply the understanding. One does not find it otherwise explained.

The reception at the Saturday Evening Mass is to be the First or Second Holy Communion that day (understood from midnight to midnight). Otherwise the Canons and the clarification from Rome would be meaningless on the very day it and circumstance that for most it would be in effect.

(the only 3rd time permitted is viaticum)
 
Bookcat said:
Dubium

Responses of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of the Legislative Texts

Q. Whether, according to c. 917, one who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist may receive it on the same day only a second time, or as often as one participates in the celebration of the Eucharist?

R. Affirmative to the first; negative to the second

Response 26-26-1984
Papal approval 11-07-1984
Promulgation 07-08-1984

(From the Code of Canon Law Annotated. Wilson and Lafleur Ltee)

If an exception to this was permitted so one could receive Holy Communion 2x during the day on a Saturday and a 3rd time at the Evening Liturgy, it would have to be *expressly *noted and would have by now…

And one will not find it “expressly” stated otherwise anywhere.

What Adoremus, and Catholic Answers, and Jimmy Akin, (and I), and others have noted is simply the understanding. One does not find it otherwise explained.

The reception at the Saturday Evening Mass is to be the First or Second Holy Communion that day (understood from midnight to midnight). Otherwise the Canons and the clarification from Rome would be meaningless on the very day it and circumstance that for most it would be in effect.

(the only 3rd time permitted is viaticum)
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That dubium clarifies that one cannot receive communion more than twice in a day. It does not state whether the day refers to a calendar day or a liturgical day. If you want to start inferring things that are not there then you could come up with the erroneous conclusion that the dubium you cite could prevent reception of communion a third time in a day: as viaticum.

Going back to a point you have not responded to: Canon 6 §1 2° does it abrogate the documents cited by Fr. David? If it does has there been a dubium to clarify whether or not this is the case?
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Going back to a point you have not responded to: Canon 6 §1 2° does it abrogate the documents cited by Fr. David?
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I can’t speak for Bookcat, but it certainly appears to me that the old rules being discussed are contrary to the CIC 1983 and thus were abrogated.
 
Digitonomy said:
I can’t speak for Bookcat, but it certainly appears to me that the old rules being discussed are contrary to the CIC 1983 and thus were abrogated.
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Is that an expression of personal opinion? We need, here, to be dealing with facts. In what way do you judge that the “old rules” are contrary to the provisions of the Code? Can you cite any authorities, please?
 
Matthew_Holford said:
That dubium clarifies that one cannot receive communion more than twice in a day. It does not state whether the day refers to a calendar day or a liturgical day. If you want to start inferring things that are not there then you could come up with the erroneous conclusion that the dubium you cite could prevent reception of communion a third time in a day: as viaticum.
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No because such has already be provided for in Canon Law (see above all the canons). The definition of the day here as meaning 24 hours beginning from midnight and that one may only receive a second time during Mass on that day…and exception that one may receive a third time (only!) in the case of viaticum is also stated in Canon Law.

And the Dubium was about Canon 917 not Can. 921 §3.

§3. While the danger of death lasts, it is recommended that holy communion be administered often, but on separate days.

Also it is important to not the the Church even explicitly states that even Viaticum is to be given on “separate days”. People are to take “day” as specified in law ( the normal understanding of “day”)

The Code is very explicit. A day IS to be taken as 24 hour day beginning at midnight unless expressly otherwise stated.
 
Digitonomy said:
I can’t speak for Bookcat, but it certainly appears to me that the old rules being discussed are contrary to the CIC 1983 and thus were abrogated.
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Here is what Canon Law itself states:

Can. 6 §1. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated:

1/ the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917;

2/ other universal or particular laws contrary to the prescripts of this Code unless other provision is expressly made for particular laws;

3/ any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See unless they are contained in this Code;

4/ other universal disciplinary laws regarding matter which this Code completely reorders.

§2. Insofar as they repeat former law, the canons of this Code must be assessed also in accord with canonical tradition.
 
The Current Law (which replaces that from the past!)

(Regarding “a day”)

Can. 200 Unless the law expressly provides otherwise, time is to be computed according to the norm of the following canons.

Can. 202 §1. In law, a day is understood as a period consisting of 24 continuous hours and begins at midnight unless other provision is expressly made; a week is a period of 7 days; a month is a period of 30 days, and a year is a period of 365 days unless a month and a year are said to be taken as they are in the calendar.

(Regarding Communion a second time)

Can. 917 A person who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist can receive it a second time on the same day only within the eucharistic celebration in which the person participates, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 921, §2.

Can. 921 §1. The Christian faithful who are in danger of death from any cause are to be nourished by holy communion in the form of Viaticum.

§2. Even if they have been nourished by holy communion on the same day, however, those in danger of death are strongly urged to receive communion again.

§3. While the danger of death lasts, it is recommended that holy communion be administered often, but on separate days.
 
Besides the actual Code of Canon Law.

And In addition to Helen Hull Hitchcock of Adorumus (whose area is exactly the Liturgy)

Here are examples of others who affirm what I have highlighted from Canon Law.

Catholic Answers: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=44742&highlight=communion+second+time

Jimmy Akin: jimmyakin.org/2005/02/how_many_times_.html

Dr. David M. Gregson, Ph.D. of the EWTN Theology Dept : ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=598265&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2010&Author=&Keyword=liturgical+day&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=1&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
 
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