Recieving the Eucharist more than once a day and dispensation

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Vico said:
That is a reference to Tres abhinc annos, 1967, no. 14 which reads:
  1. The faithful receiving communion at the chrism Mass on Holy Thursday may receive again at the evening Mass on the same day.
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"The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning. "

The reference to Tres abhinc annos clearly refers to the later sentence:

“Likewise “the faithful who go to Communion at the Mass of Chrism on Holy Thursday may again receive Communion at the evening Mass of the same day,” in accordance with the Instruction Tres abhinc annos of May 4, 1967, no. 14.”
 
Vico said:
The canons explicitly allow fulfillment of the obligation to assist at the Mass (or Divine Liturgy) on the day of the vigil of the previous day. This is provided for in the canon law, whereas there is no such provision in the canon law for allowable time of fasts and abstinances, or reception of Holy Eucharist. Notice that canon 1248 states “the evening of the previous day,” showing that even for the liturgy it is a different day, and making express provision in the law for it.

Can. 202
§1. In law, a day is understood as a period consisting of 24 continuous hours and begins at midnight unless other provision is expressly made; a week is a period of 7 days; a month is a period of 30 days, and a year is a period of 365 days unless a month and a year are said to be taken as they are in the calendar.
**Can. 917 **
A person who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist can receive it a second time on the same day only within the eucharistic celebration in which the person participates, without prejudice to the prescript of can. 921, §2.
Can. 1248
§1 The obligation of assisting at Mass is satisfied wherever Mass is celebrated in a catholic rite either on a holyday itself or on the evening of the previous day.
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That pretty much covers all the bases and gives a clear answer to the question. Thanks for the references.
 
salusanimarum17 said:
It seems right to me. Simple, direct, clearly stated in this c. 917 law, along with 202.
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It doesn’t address the issue, because it ignores that canon 202 mentions that a 24 hour day applies unless other provision is made. Other provision is indeed made by the Church.

The Saturday evening Mass is the Mass of Sunday. A person who receives on Saturday evening is receiving for the first time on Sunday, regardless of what happened in the past (namely Saturday).
 
FrDavid96 said:
It doesn’t address the issue, because it ignores that canon 202 mentions that a 24 hour day applies unless other provision is made. Other provision is indeed made by the Church.

The Saturday evening Mass is the Mass of Sunday. A person who receives on Saturday evening is receiving for the first time on Sunday, regardless of what happened in the past (namely Saturday).
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That seems pretty convoluted. Are you a Church lawyer? (that’s an anti-lawyer joke…sorry) I don’t see how anyone could say that this canon law 917 “doesn’t address the issue.”

I’ve read all your posts in this thread. I’m not convinced. Since it doesn’t really matter, I’ll leave it at that.
 
FrDavid96 said:
"The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning. "
The reference to Tres abhinc annos clearly refers to the later sentence:
“Likewise “the faithful who go to Communion at the Mass of Chrism on Holy Thursday may again receive Communion at the evening Mass of the same day,” in accordance with the Instruction Tres abhinc annos of May 4, 1967, no. 14.”
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My letters.

B says that those that have received Communion in the Christmas Vigil or Easter Vigil may also receive again on Christmas or Easter, which instruction is needed becuse it may be at Midnight or early morning when Communion is received for the vigil. The source is: 80 S.C.R. Instruction Inter Oecumenici, 26. ix. 1964, n. 60-AAS 56 1964). p. 891.

VI. FACULTY OF REPEATING COMMUNION ON THE SAME DAY (SC art. 55)
60. The faithful who receive communion at the Mass of the Easter Vigil or the Midnight Mass of Christmas may receive again at the second Mass of Easter and at one of the Day Masses of Christmas.

A and C says that those that have already received Communion in the morning may also go to Communion that evening of the same calendar day, since they are beginning to celebrate Sunday or holy day of obligating in the evening (the second occurrance of Communion):

A
“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”
B
"Those who “have received Communion during the Mass of the Easter Vigil, or during the Mass of the Lord’s Nativity, may receive Communion again at the second Easter Mass and at one of the Masses on Christmas Day.” 80
C
“Likewise “the faithful who go to Communion at the Mass of Chrism on Holy Thursday may again receive Communion at the evening Mass of the same day,” in accordance with the Instruction Tres abhinc annos of May 4, 1967, no. 14.”
 
Vico said:
My letters.

B says that those that have received Communion in the Christmas Vigil or Easter Vigil may also receive again on Christmas or Easter, which instruction is needed becuse it may be at Midnight or early morning when Communion is received for the vigil. The source is: 80 S.C.R. Instruction Inter Oecumenici, 26. ix. 1964, n. 60-AAS 56 1964). p. 891.

VI. FACULTY OF REPEATING COMMUNION ON THE SAME DAY (SC art. 55)
60. The faithful who receive communion at the Mass of the Easter Vigil or the Midnight Mass of Christmas may receive again at the second Mass of Easter and at one of the Day Masses of Christmas.

A and C says that those that have already received Communion in the morning may also go to Communion that evening of the same calendar day, since they are beginning to celebrate Sunday or holy day of obligating in the evening (the second occurrance of Communion):

A
“The faithful who begin to celebrate the Sunday or holy day of obligation on the preceding evening may go to Communion at that Mass even if they have already received Communion in the morning.”
B
"Those who “have received Communion during the Mass of the Easter Vigil, or during the Mass of the Lord’s Nativity, may receive Communion again at the second Easter Mass and at one of the Masses on Christmas Day.” 80
C
“Likewise “the faithful who go to Communion at the Mass of Chrism on Holy Thursday may again receive Communion at the evening Mass of the same day,” in accordance with the Instruction Tres abhinc annos of May 4, 1967, no. 14.”
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I truly have no idea what you’re trying to say in the above post.

In any case, what you aren’t seeing here is that for liturgical purposes, the Church considers the (solemnity) day to begin at the time of First Vespers.

Since the next day has already begun, we must necessarily conclude that the previous day has ended.

That means that when one attends a Mass on Saturday evening, the actual day (as far as the Church is concerned) is Sunday. It is no longer Saturday. The number of times that a person received on a day-in-the-past has no bearing on receiving Communion on the present-day.

The best evidence I can give for this is the well-established fact that the Church considers the whole of the Saturday evening Mass to be the Mass of Sunday.

As I’ve said before, whatever applies to the “whole” likewise applies to “every part of the whole.” This is a basic principle in canon law.

Since the whole of the Mass is “Sunday Mass” every part of that Mass is Sunday Mass, including receiving Communion.
 
FrDavid96 said:
It doesn’t address the issue, because it ignores that canon 202 mentions that a 24 hour day applies unless other provision is made. Other provision is indeed made by the Church.
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I agree that for the purpose of Canon 917 a day refers to a liturgical day rather than a calendar day. However, I am not sure you can rely on Canon 202 §1 to support that point. It does say “unless expressly provided otherwise” but I do not think it says: “In law, a day is understood to be a space of twenty-four hours, to be reckoned continuously unless expressly provided otherwise”. Rather it says: “unless expressly provided otherwise, it begins at midnight”.

So, this canon does not say a day is 24 hours unless provided otherwise. The “unless provided otherwise” is related to the beginning at 12 midnight. It is saying a day begins at midnight unless other provision is made. It is not saying a day is 24 hours long unless provided otherwise. Thus, this canon is saying all days are 24 hours long.

Thus Canon 202 does not relate to lengthening liturgical days by more than 24 hours.
Canon 202 §1: In law, a day is understood to be a space of twenty-four hours, to be reckoned continuously and, unless expressly provided otherwise, it begins at midnight; a week is a space of seven days - a month is a space of thirty days, and a year a space of three hundred and sixty-five days, unless it is stated that the month and the year are to be taken as in the calendar.
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Emphasis mine.
 
Communion on a monday morning is one time.

Add to that the second communion at the vigil that evening. That is the limit (unless you are dying).

Then the next day …Tuesday …one may again receive 2 times one in the morning and one in the evening.

(the second of each of course must be at a Mass one participates in…not just walking into say as one visits the Church)

Canon Law in terms of number of Communion’s on the normal 24 hour day midnight to midnight.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=44742&highlight=communion+second+time
 
Bookcat said:
Communion on a monday morning is one time.

Add to that the second communion at the vigil that evening. That is the limit (unless you are dying).

Then the next day …Tuesday …one may again receive 2 times one in the morning and one in the evening.

(the second of each of course must be at a Mass one participates in…not just walking into say as one visits the Church)

Canon Law in terms of number of Communion’s on the normal 24 hour day midnight to midnight.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=44742&highlight=communion+second+time
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What is your basis for saying it must be the calendar day that counts rather than the liturgical day?
 
Matthew_Holford said:
I agree that for the purpose of Canon 917 a day refers to a liturgical day rather than a calendar day. However, I am not sure you can rely on Canon 202 §1 to support that point. It does say “unless expressly provided otherwise” but I do not think it says: “In law, a day is understood to be a space of twenty-four hours, to be reckoned continuously unless expressly provided otherwise”. Rather it says: “unless expressly provided otherwise, it begins at midnight”.

So, this canon does not say a day is 24 hours unless provided otherwise. The “unless provided otherwise” is related to the beginning at 12 midnight. It is saying a day begins at midnight unless other provision is made. It is not saying a day is 24 hours long unless provided otherwise. Thus, this canon is saying all days are 24 hours long.

Thus Canon 202 does not relate to lengthening liturgical days by more than 24 hours.

Emphasis mine.
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OK. Perhaps I’m trying to hard to force the issue into canon 202.

My point though is that the Church does clearly say that the liturgical day begins on the evening before the solemnity. How that gets reconciled with canon 202, I’m still considering (or re-considering). Obviously, there must be some way.

The point I’m making though is that the Saturday evening Mass is completely the Mass of Sunday, and therefore everything that pertains to that Mass pertains to Sunday, not to Saturday.

I have yet to hear anyone who disputes this state anything to the contrary.

We already know that every single part of the Saturday evening Mass is the Sunday Mass. I can go through each part of the Mass and list it, but that would be pointless. What I am saying is that it simply makes no sense for us to say that while every other part of the Mass pertains to Sunday, the one singular exception to that is made when one counts the number of times he has received Communion on that day. It simply makes no sense.

It also doesn’t make sense when one looks at the totality of the Church’s life and asks the simply question “does the Church really intend to tell people that going to Mass on Saturday evening is perfectly legitimate and fulfills your Sunday obligation in every possible way, but at the same time, if a person happens by sheer coincidence to have received Communion twice on Saturday morning, that person is prohibited by the Church from receiving Communion at the Sunday Mass?”

If the answer to that is “yes.” The next question is “why?” The only answer to that is “because a day must be reckoned from midnight to midnight.” What’s the value here? Preserving the idea that a day runs from 12 to 12 is more important than allowing Catholics to receive Communion at the Sunday Mass?

I can’t accept the idea that the Church would intend to prevent Catholics who are otherwise eligible to receive Communion at a Sunday Mass from receiving for no other reason than the fact that they happened to have received twice on the previous day. That’s not exactly in harmony with the overall purpose of canon law that it is intended “for the good of souls.”
 
Matthew_Holford said:
What is your basis for saying it must be the calendar day that counts rather than the liturgical day?
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Canon Law.

(202.1 and the canon dealing with Holy Communion)

A day is considered the 24 hour day unless otherwise stated in Canon Law. The Canon that treats of Holy Communion does not specify anything otherwise.
 
Yes one celebrates the Sunday Liturgy in the Vigil Mass …that does not figure into the Communion question. Communion is counted in terms of a 24 hour day. Midnight to midnight.

Also note…the Sunday rest also begins at midnight. Not the Vigil Mass…
 
FrDavid96 said:
The point I’m making though is that the Saturday evening Mass is completely the Mass of Sunday, and therefore everything that pertains to that Mass pertains to Sunday, not to Saturday.

I have yet to hear anyone who disputes this state anything to the contrary.

We already know that every single part of the Saturday evening Mass is the Sunday Mass.
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Does this mean if I’ve received twice on a Saturday morning, I can receive Saturday evening as well?

Personally I don’t think I would take that risk.
 
ProVobis said:
Does this mean if I’ve received twice on a Saturday morning, I can receive Saturday evening as well?

Personally I don’t think I would take that risk.
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Yes.

Because you would receive twice on Saturday (that’s the max for that day) and once on Sunday (once for that day).

There’s no “risk” because the Church does not try to prevent you from receiving Communion for the first time at the Sunday Mass, even if that Sunday Mass just happens to be celebrated on Saturday evening.
 
ProVobis said:
Does this mean if I’ve received twice on a Saturday morning, I can receive Saturday evening as well?

Personally I don’t think I would take that risk.
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**no **you may not…

not unless your dying and need viaticum.
 
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