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I know this topic has come up many times before, but in this week’s “The Catholic Weekly” (for the Saginaw, Michigan diocese) there was an article in the “Pastoral Perspective” column by a Sr. Mary Garascia, CPPS. It is noted that “Sr. Mary is pastoral administrator at Hemlock St. Mary.”

I’m going to use exact quotes from her articles. I have a few problems with some of the things she wrote and I wondered if anyone else does. Below is the article in its entirety:

As I distribute communion, a visitor notices that we consecrated some wafers (which we use for our ministry to the sick and to prisoners). She asks me to give her a wafer instead of our homemade communion bread. Our still bishop gets asked, at public meetings, to edict communion wafters because some bread recipes have other ingredients than water and wheat and because the bread is crumbly. A devout parishioner who attends Sunday liturgy faithfully at my church fasts from communion because of a severe wheat allergy.
Jesus meant the bread we share to be a sign of our unity with each other. Instead, sadly, our communion bread is a flashpoint for too many of us.
We do not know what kind of bread Jesus used at the Last Supper. Since this final meal was on Thursday and Jewish Passover would have begun on Friday evening, many Scripture scholars believe Jesus was having a regular meal with his apostles. So when he took the bread and broke it, probably it was the bread of the day, not unleavened bread. We know people ate yeast bread because yeast bread was used as an example in Jesus’ parable. We don’t know what else people of Jesus’ time may have put into their bread recipes. We can suppose that they, like we, would have added what was at hand. The Gospels mention milk and honey in connection with John the Baptist and salt, as a savor, and oil and wine.
Then, as the church moved out of its Jewish environment and spread throughout North Africa and Europe, undoubtedly regional breads were used for Eucharist. Without refrigeration, bread would be baked on the day of the Mass, or perhaps the night before. The bread blessed at a Mass would have been eaten at that Mass, as is proper today. Bread was not saved, like we do, in tabernacles. It was taken right from the altar table to the sick.
Around the 13th century, candles were placed near a metal box where the consecrated bread for the sick was placed. Then, as the theology of transubstantiation developed, and ordinary people stopped receiving Eucharist frequently, Eucharist became separated from the Mass—the act of the worshiping community because a sacred object to be venerated in chapels and churches, in tabernacles and monstrances. You could now “make a visit” and pray privately before a tabernacle. It was also important that the Eucharist be available for viaticum. So eventually dry wafers began to be used as a kind of bread that could be saved without spoiling.
Today the General Instruction for the Roman Missal (GIRM) says that the Eucharistic bread should have the appearance of food. That is because we are doing an action that is supposed to carry out Jesus’ words: “take and eat.” The late theologian Karl Rahner taught that the grace of Eucharist is given in the act of chewing and swallowing it, something we hardly do with a dissolving wafer.
Certainly some rules about recipes are needed. Otherwise we might likely have Masses using soda crackers or bagels! In a world church like ours, we want both reverence and unity in our Communion practice, but, as Jesus said, the Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Some flexibility about bread is needed. Making Eucharist bread for each Mass is pretty difficult, so we need a bread recipe that holds up to freezing.
And I can’t see Jesus wanting anyone to give up receiving Eucharist because of allergies.
Surely we can find ways to keep the liturgical unity our bishops’ desire but also meet the practical and pastoral needs of our congregations!
 
PiusXIII said:
**Then, as the theology of transubstantiation developed, **

Right about here is when the heretic alarm went off.
 
Scotty PGH:
Right about here is when the heretic alarm went off.
Exactly!

I had to scratch my head at the very beginning when she says “we consecrated some wafers”----am I to understand that this nun is claiming to consecrate the bread?

Also—is it just me or does she seem to take a condescending attitude toward the idea of spending time with Jesus in Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament?
 
Send a copy to Bp. Carlson. Odds are, he might not see it, and somehow, I just can’t see him standing for this nonsense.
 
What a surprise! She included only those words from the GIRM that support her opinion, while neglecting to present them in their full context. Had she been any less manipulative of the text and history of the Church, she would have had no basis whatsoever for such garbage.

From the 2003 GIRM (with my emphasis added):
  1. The bread for celebrating the Eucharist must be made **only from **wheat,
    must be recently baked, and, according to the ancient tradition of the Latin
    Church, must be unleavened.
  2. The meaning of the sign demands that the material for the Eucharistic
    celebration truly have the appearance of food. It is therefore expedient that
    the eucharistic bread, even though *unleavened and baked in the traditional *
    shape, be made in such a way that the priest at Mass with a congregation is
    able in practice to break it into parts for distribution to at least some of the
    faithful.
And from Redemptionis Sacramentum (with my emphasis added):
  1. The bread used in the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice
    must be unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made so that there is no
    danger of decomposition.It follows therefore that bread made from another
    substance, even if it is grain, or if it is mixed with another substance different
    from wheat to such an extent that it would not commonly be considered wheat
    bread, does not constitute valid matter for confecting the Sacrifice and the
    Eucharistic Sacrament.It is a *grave abuse to introduce other substances, *
    *such *as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist.
 
Detroit Sue:
Send a copy to Bp. Carlson. Odds are, he might not see it, and somehow, I just can’t see him standing for this nonsense.
:amen:

As a former member of Bp. Carlson’s flock… I cannot see him standing for this drivel either…
 
At least some of the parishes in the Diocese of Saginaw that use these invalid recipes claim they have been approved by the Vatican’s CDWDS. But like Sister Garascia, they provide no proof. Here is one example (scroll about halfway down the linked page).

However, the documented resources that we have available to us (GIRM, RS, etc.) seem to contradict this. If the CDWDS has approved such alternative recipes, it certainly does a good job of keeping a secret.

Speaking of which, this same parish website explains that the Church ordained women to the priesthood until the fourth century (but of course offers no proof)!
 
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PiusXIII:
I know this topic has come up many times before, but in this week’s “The Catholic Weekly” (for the Saginaw, Michigan diocese) there was an article in the “Pastoral Perspective” column by a Sr. Mary Garascia, CPPS. It is noted that "Sr. Mary is pastoral administrator at Hemlock St. Mary.
"As I distribute communion, a visitor notices that we consecrated some wafers (which we use for our ministry to the sick and to prisoners). She asks me to give her a wafer instead of our homemade communion bread…

Good for the visitor! Did anyone explain to the devout parishioner that she could fully receive communion through the Precious Blood? (By the way, you don’t consecrate anything, sister.)

Jesus meant the bread we share to be a sign of our unity with each other. Instead, sadly, our communion bread is a flashpoint for too many of us.

No, He meant the bread to be His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. Nothing about a “sign.”

We do not know what kind of bread Jesus used at the Last Supper. Since this final meal was on Thursday and Jewish Passover would have begun on Friday evening, many Scripture scholars believe Jesus was having a regular meal with his apostles…

So? The Catholic Church is quite clear – we use bread made ONLY from wheat flower and water in the Latin Rite. Nothing else. Follow the Church and not your personal interpretation of history, even if it is accurate.

Then, as the church moved out of its Jewish environment and spread throughout North Africa and Europe, undoubtedly regional breads were used for Eucharist…

So? The Catholic Church is quite clear – we use bread made ONLY from wheat flower and water in the Latin Rite. Nothing else. Follow the Church and not your personal interpretation of history, even if it is accurate.

Around the 13th century, candles were placed near a metal box where the consecrated bread for the sick was placed. Then, as the theology of transubstantiation developed, and ordinary people stopped receiving Eucharist…

Follow the Church and not your personal interpretation of history. Interesting how even today we are required to attend Mass over 50 times/year yet we need only receive Holy Communion once a year…

Today the General Instruction for the Roman Missal (GIRM) says that the Eucharistic bread should have the appearance of food. That is because we are doing an action that is supposed to carry out Jesus’ words: “take and eat.” The late theologian Karl Rahner taught that the grace of Eucharist is given in the act of chewing and swallowing it, something we hardly do with a dissolving wafer.

First, Fr. Rahner’s theology is deeply problematic in many areas – he’s not someone I would cite. Second, follow the Church and not your personal interpretation of history.

Certainly some rules about recipes are needed. Otherwise we might likely have Masses using soda crackers or bagels! In a world church like ours, we want both reverence and unity in our Communion practice…

Follow the Church and not your personal interpretation of history.

And I can’t see Jesus wanting anyone to give up receiving Eucharist because of allergies.

I can. The disease can be life threatening. Then again, did anyone tell this poor person that they can fully receive communion through either species?

Surely we can find ways to keep the liturgical unity our bishops’ desire but also meet the practical and pastoral needs of our congregations!

Stop the rabble-rousing and go focus on something constructive, sister. The wheat hosts are working out quite well throughout the word, thanks.
 
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msproule:
At least some of the parishes in the Diocese of Saginaw that use these invalid recipes claim they have been approved by the Vatican’s CDWDS. But like Sister Garascia, they provide no proof. Here is one example (scroll about halfway down the linked page).

However, the documented resources that we have available to us (GIRM, RS, etc.) seem to contradict this. If the CDWDS has approved such alternative recipes, it certainly does a good job of keeping a secret.

Speaking of which, this same parish website explains that the Church ordained women to the priesthood until the fourth century (but of course offers no proof)!
Wow.

I checked out that website you linked to and I notice that the person who wrote the answer about women being priests until the 4th century was Fr. Jeffrey Donner–who ALSO has a column in Catholic weekly and is pictured there wearing a shirt and tie rather than a priest collar.

If you read further down the document, you find other gems by Fr. Donner such as, "for now, having lay people preach is not breaking the rules" and that you can be saved without being baptized because: "One of the best ways to tell if someone has accepted God’s offer of life is to see if they are trying to live a good life. If they are, they have accepted life and are trying to live it responsibly and carefully."

And for the question of why a person has to confess their sins to a priest, Fr. Donner writes:
**The short answer is because the priest represents the community, and the church has found that confessing to a representative is better in the long run than confessing publicly to the whole community–which is what we used to do centuries ago. This answer may surprise some who believe that all they need is to confess to God and that somehow they are confessing to God when they speak to the priest. But actually, that belief is not the church’s tradition. The harm we do when we sin is not done to God but to the community. What we need is the community’s blessing. So the priest acts on behalf of the community. **

**This emphasis on the community may be new to some, but it is very important. That’s why the church reinstated ways of including the community’s involvement in the sacrament–what people refer to as “Communal Reconciliation.” If you’ve not experienced one of these services, give it a try. **

The priest takes the place of the community? Huh. I thought the priest was taking the place of Jesus Christ in the sacrament of reconciliation. Silly me.

BTW—the St. Mary on that website you linked to is in Mt. Pleasant—it’s not the same St. Mary church that Sr. Mary Garascia is at. Sr. Mary Garascia is “pastor” (or “pastoral administrator”—but I’ve heard her referred to as the pastor of that church) of St. Mary in Hemlock.
 
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msproule:
At least some of the parishes in the Diocese of Saginaw that use these invalid recipes claim they have been approved by the Vatican’s CDWDS. But like Sister Garascia, they provide no proof. Here is one example (scroll about halfway down the linked page).

However, the documented resources that we have available to us (GIRM, RS, etc.) seem to contradict this. If the CDWDS has approved such alternative recipes, it certainly does a good job of keeping a secret.

Speaking of which, this same parish website explains that the Church ordained women to the priesthood until the fourth century (but of course offers no proof)!
Just one more side note on the topic of that web address you posted here—at the very bottom, Fr. Donner has his thoughts on the Da Vinci code, and, among other things, states that the church has tried to cover up the role of Mary Magdalene as a “church leader” and also seems to imply that it wouldn’t make any difference whether Jesus was married with kids or not.

Wow. I think Bishop Carlson is going to be very busy…
 
Let me add some comments here to a selection of statements made above.

First, with regard to confession to a priest: yes, the priest represents God and he represents the community. St. Paul makes it clear that the sin of one affects the entire Body of Christ and, therefore, the Body of Christ needs to forgive. This is part of the function of the priest – he forgives on behalf of the community for he is its spiritual leader. He also forgives on behalf of God who is also affected by the sin. Sin has both horizontal and vertical dimensions, and we should not forget one part in favor of the other.

The article about the Eucharistic bread seems to take a collection of facts in order to build a house of straw. Yes, most of tbe Eastern Catholic Churches used leavened bread (two do not). The use of leavened or unleavened bread is a discipline. In the Latin Church the discipline is to use unleavened bread. While home made bread can look like unleavened, it does tend to be crumbly and this is the reason it should not be used. The pressed “wafer” (I hate that term since it is so wrong) tends not to crumble as easily.

Yes, adoration of the Blessed Sacrament grew out of the practice of reserving the Sacrament for the sick. So what – it’s an integral part of the Latin Church (but, surprisingly, not a part of the practice in most Eastern Catholic Churches). Her point here seems to be totally misdirected.

Yes, Eucharist is a “sign and symbol” of unity – but it fulfills that role because it is the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior Jesus who is the Christ!

What she wrote is not heretical, but it certainly seems to present a skewed portrait and does so apparently with a goal in mind, and that goal does not seem to be in unity with the Church.

Deacon Ed
 
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msproule:
At least some of the parishes in the Diocese of Saginaw that use these invalid recipes claim they have been approved by the Vatican’s CDWDS. But like Sister Garascia, they provide no proof. Here is one example (scroll about halfway down the linked page).

However, the documented resources that we have available to us (GIRM, RS, etc.) seem to contradict this. If the CDWDS has approved such alternative recipes, it certainly does a good job of keeping a secret.

Speaking of which, this same parish website explains that the Church ordained women to the priesthood until the fourth century (but of course offers no proof)!
Did someone forget to tell Cardinal Arinze about the change? 😉

And, you must have noticed the Children’s Liturgy of the Word: grades K-6 (up to age 13?!?!)

My future DIL is a CMU student. She went to Mass there one time, received that bread, and was horrified. She’s your average college student - a bit on the liberal side. She never went back there. Until she brought her car to school, she caught rides to other parishes. Nice to see it’s still completely wacky. :rolleyes:
 
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PiusXIII:
Sr. Mary Garascia is “pastor” (or “pastoral administrator”—but I’ve heard her referred to as the pastor of that church) of St. Mary in Hemlock.
Pastor must be shorthand for pastoral administrator!

PASToral administratOR
 
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PiusXIII:
Just one more side note on the topic of that web address you posted here—at the very bottom, Fr. Donner has his thoughts on the Da Vinci code, and, among other things, states that the church has tried to cover up the role of Mary Magdalene as a “church leader” and also seems to imply that it wouldn’t make any difference whether Jesus was married with kids or not.

Wow. I think Bishop Carlson is going to be very busy…
I saw that too and thought I was going to pass out! Maybe he is the love child of Christ and Mary Magdalene!:banghead:
 
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msproule:
What a surprise! She included only those words from the GIRM that support her opinion, while neglecting to present them in their full context. Had she been any less manipulative of the text and history of the Church, she would have had no basis whatsoever for such garbage.

From the 2003 GIRM (with my emphasis added):
  1. The bread for celebrating the Eucharist must be made **only from **wheat,
    must be recently baked, and, according to the ancient tradition of the Latin
    Church, must be unleavened.
  2. The meaning of the sign demands that the material for the Eucharistic
    celebration truly have the appearance of food. It is therefore expedient that
    the eucharistic bread, even though *unleavened and baked in the traditional *
    shape, be made in such a way that the priest at Mass with a congregation is
    able in practice to break it into parts for distribution to at least some of the
    faithful.
And from Redemptionis Sacramentum (with my emphasis added):
  1. The bread used in the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice
    must be unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made so that there is no
    danger of decomposition.It follows therefore that bread made from another
    substance, even if it is grain, or if it is mixed with another substance different
    from wheat to such an extent that it would not commonly be considered wheat
    bread, does not constitute valid matter for confecting the Sacrifice and the
    Eucharistic Sacrament.It is a *grave abuse to introduce other substances, *
    *such *as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist.
exodus 12:8 exodus 12:17.
 
The issue of the bread recipe came up again in Saginaw’s Catholic Weekly—this time in the Q&A section with Fr. Isidore Mikulski. Here’s what it said:

Q. About Eucharistic bread. It’s no longer a round white wafer I grew up with. It’s some type of bread which is broken into half-inch cubs. Eucharistic ministers were told they must consume any cubes left over so they “choke them down,” one told me, rather than place them in the tabernacle where they become hard as rocks. I never thought I would hear that about the precious Body of Christ. Is something wrong here?

A. There’s something very wrong when what we have always honored as the sacrament of “breaking the bread” has become “choking down” the leftovers. It’s the sort of annoyance that upset Paul enough to tell his people in Corinth that “anyone who eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be behaving unworthily towards the body and blood of the Lord.” (I Cor. 11:27).

We have tabernacles for keeping the Eucharistic bread safe and fresh for another day. Ideally, enough Eucharistic bread, no more, no less, should be consecrated for the people at each Mass but that’s not always possible. Smaller churches may ask for a show of hands before Mass. Larger churches may guesstimate. Either way, there’s no reason to choke down every last host.

As yoiu know, altar breads must be made of wheat flower and water. No additives. They will not become hard and crusty after being enclosed in the tabernacle for a few weeks.
 
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fix:
Another liberal trying to make herself the authority.
Or maybe an ignorant conservative? You don’t know the writer’s politics either way.
 
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Richardols:
Or maybe an ignorant conservative? You don’t know the writer’s politics either way.
I think I do. Also, I was using liberal in the sense the Church has condemned.
 
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fix:
I think I do.
Well, if you know her personally, I stand corrected.
Also, I was using liberal in the sense the Church has condemned.
The Church has condemned a particular worldview called Liberalism. The Church doesn’t condemn the use of the term liberal.
 
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