Reconciliation of Christianity and Science?

[jomoco]

As Jesus said, in the Canonical Bible, that He is the “Way, the Truth and the Life” and not merely having the way, nor merely having the truth or the life, and also saying that “All power is given to me in heaven and in earth”, it would seem that if Jesus is a mere “humble, exemplary fellow” then He took upon Himself the most arrogant of positions making Himself equal to God.

If, as the Catholic Church claims, Jesus is truly God in being the Second Person of the Trinity, then He is worthy of all that the Church does with God’s Creation in order to worship Him as by that authority He passed on the “Keys to the Kingdom” with power to “bind and loose”.

It is a huge problem today that people look for that which they want to see in the Bible and not to be led by the text. What do we want to find when we look at Genesis? Eternal life or everlasting life? The difference between “seeking to find” what we want and “seeking and finding” that which is there are huge and the stakes are equally huge. The grace to live eternally as a child of God is in the “seeking and finding”.

With all due respect, I fail to see how “all that the Church does with God’s Creation” can be hung around Jesus’ neck when the RCC is so tangibly guilty of so many failings from Galileo to the most recent affair of coddling pedophile priests for so many decades. You may ignore these aspects of the Church’s failings as a devout Catholic clinging to the belief that your popes are still somehow miraculously infallible, but I assure that more objective pragmatic Christians like me do not. We accept that all men are inherently fallible with the possible exception of Jesus Himself. We do not puff ourselves up and speak to others in condescending absolute terms claiming authority to do so by God. Quite the opposite in fact is true. We accept our fallibilities and flaws as inherent, then seek to find remedies to our tragic failings in the bible’s many books as Jesus Himself counseled us to do.

Any objective reading of both old and new testaments clearly indicate that there are mysteries and hidden truths spoken of in scripture that have existed since mankind’s very beginning in Eden, and are still unresolved to date. While some in the RCC may consider following Jesus’ counsel to seek until ye find heretical and presumptuous, many other good Christians like me do not, we take Jesus at his word. Indeed we believe that the bible itself constitutes an as yet unresolved mystery, and that it was written for the expressed purpose that its mystery might some day be resolved, and bring a better and far more enlightened world into being.

Respectfully,

jomoco

 

[donsnow]

Hi Don,

I must confess to being very curious about why 114 parables or sayings of Jesus, the majority of them found in the books of the new testament, should bring you to a “screeching halt?” Is it because they are considered outside the canons of the RCC determined at Nicea by Constantine etc?

I’m also a bit bewildered that despite Jesus’ exhorting us to seek and find, indeed to seek until you find, there seem to be a few folks here who consider my modern day seeking to find answers to biblical mysteries as yet unresolved somehow heretical. Why is that? Are we to wait around like passive sheep grazing until the answers to our myriad problems float down from the clouds at some unknown obscure point in the future?

If Jesus Himself encourages us to seek until we find, why would anyone obeying Him be considered a heretic? I find that a bit bizarre myself.

I would very much appreciate you Don, or anyone else here explaining these seemingly contradictory aspects of modern Christianity to me if possible.

Respectfully,

jomoco

Hi, jomoco,

Sayings of Jesus do attract me. That’s why I went to your link. That it linked to the “Gospel of Thomas” (from which I had read decades ago and satisfied myself the Church was right in putting it outside of the canon) brought me to a screeching halt. I try to stay in the Church yard of reading, ok?

Obeying Jesus Christ is not heretical. I’m no authority on what is or is not heretical. I do suspect what you seek makes a difference. I’m still not sure what you say you are looking for.

Yes, we are to wait until some answers are provided for us. I’ll have to wait until I go back to college, to learn more about my hobby, when I take Astronomy 101. How long I wait is up to me. It is good in developing humility to wait for enlightenment and admitting that we don’t know certain things.

What contradiction? Can you answer plainly?

God loves you,
Don

 

[jomoco]

Hi, jomoco,

Sayings of Jesus do attract me. That’s why I went to your link. That it linked to the “Gospel of Thomas” (from which I had read decades ago and satisfied myself the Church was right in putting it outside of the canon) brought me to a screeching halt. I try to stay in the Church yard of reading, ok?

[Ok. But considering that say, the parable of the mustard seed, is in both the G of T and the new testament, leads me to believe that your stance is that only portions of the G of T
are acceptable to you, those portions that are in the new testament?]

Obeying Jesus Christ is not heretical. I’m no authority on what is or is not heretical. I do suspect what you seek makes a difference. I’m still not sure what you say you are looking for.

[It’s the theory that Gen 7 may be the hidden truth, or atleast one of them, contained within the many books comprising the old and new testaments?]

Yes, we are to wait until some answers are provided for us. I’ll have to wait until I go back to college, to learn more about my hobby, when I take Astronomy 101. How long I wait is up to me. It is good in developing humility to wait for enlightenment and admitting that we don’t know certain things.

[This to me seems contradictory itself. On the one hand you say, yes we are to wait for answers, while on the other you say, yes we are to follow Jesus’ wise counsel to seek until we find answers.]

What contradiction? Can you answer plainly?

[Answered above]

God loves you,
Don

I think it’s self evident that our world today is in a very woeful state, and in very sore need of tangible improvements that can unite us under one Christian God to live in harmony and peacefull co-exitence with the many nations of the world. Why should any man’s attempt to find the means to bring such a desirable thing about from within the pages of the bible’s scripture that utilises God given gifts in the bodies of men and women be considered presumptuous or heretical? Are we not all made of God in His image? If Gen 7 proves viable, would it not be strictly due to His design mastery when He made us in the beginning? Is it not even remotely possible that Gen 7 is atleast one of the mysteries contained within the bible which Jesus Himself exhorted to seek for until we find?

Respectfully,

jomoco

 

[donsnow]

I think it’s self evident that our world today is in a very woeful state, and in very sore need of tangible improvements that can unite us under one Christian God to live in harmony and peacefull co-exitence with the many nations of the world. Why should any man’s attempt to find the means to bring such a desirable thing about from within the pages of the bible’s scripture that utilises God given gifts in the bodies of men and women be considered presumptuous or heretical? Are we not all made of God in His image? If Gen 7 proves viable, would it not be strictly due to His design mastery when He made us in the beginning? Is it not even remotely possible that Gen 7 is atleast one of the mysteries contained within the bible which Jesus Himself exhorted to seek for until we find?

Respectfully,

jomoco

Ah, jomoco,

There, “…and in very sore need of tangible improvements that can unite us under one Christian God to live in harmony and peacefull co-exitence with the many nations of the world. Why should any man’s attempt to find the means to bring such a desirable thing about from within the pages of the bible’s scripture that utilises God given gifts in the bodies of men and women be considered presumptuous or heretical?”

In my humble lay opinion, first, the means to do that exists in the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Second, the Second Coming of Jesus the Christ in His glorified, resurrected and ascended flesh will accomplish that without fail. I think it’s our place to wait for Jesus Christ to provide that, since that’s prophesied. Third, prophecy has it that Anti-Christ will do exactly what you seek, before the physical return of Jesus Christ.

I would venture, if you were more studied in scripture, you would have known the second and third reasons of the above paragraph.

So, you are good to obey Jesus in principle so try to obey Him in practise: love God with all your heart, mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. The biggest secret of the Kingdom of God is the love. That’s the key to everything. When you love God, you will seek ALL of His word, not just the parts that hold up a worldly search. When you love your neighbor, you will treat people like you want to be treated.

Becareful, to not become so wrapped up in doing for people or for Jesus, that you lose track of what you’re actually doing to people.

God loves you,
Don

 

[BouncingBall]

Hi Jomoco, this thread is interesting! May I answer? All due respect.

I do not place a greater emphasis on the Gospel of Thomas than I do either the old or new testaments. The only reason I place any emphasis at all on G of T is that it’s basically a listing of 114 sayings or parables of Jesus, who in my opinion was the finest man who has ever lived.

Simply because the RCC has deemed it somehow heretical, is to me just another instance of the RCC making yet another mistake. Most of the parables in G of T can be found in the new testament anyway.

Look at saying #114. Does that sound like something Jesus would say? It’s the one about having to turn into a man. Anyway, the main point of the Gospels is not to have a collection of Jesus’ sayings but to recount His earthly life, crucifixion and Resurrection. Comparing the G of T to the Bible Gospels, it’s just… well, lame. But that’s just me.

It’s very strange to me the way Jesus was such a humble exemplary fellow who never got all puffed up on himself, dragging around gold and fine raimants and symbols of high office, yet the RCC’s officials parade around in enough gold and such that if they fell into a pool of water they’d sink like a stone. Where do they get the idea that any of that is called for when Jesus Himself spurned such pomp and trappings?

I wondered the same thing and the answer I came across was found in Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers, where God tells Moses to make the Ark with gold and fine carvings, fancy embroidery for the tabernacle and precious jewels and fine fabrics to dress His levitical priests in. Also check out Solomon and how awesome the Temple he built was, and how God was happy about it.

Respectfull of Jesus,

jomoco

Also, about the infallible thing. Ever heard of the Holy Spirit? Check yes or no. The only time the Pope is infallible is when he is speaking ex cathedra on a matter of faith within the Church. Not on Red Sox games or anything outside the Church. I think the Pope has only declared something ‘ex cathedra’ two or three times in the 2000-year history of the Church. The kicker is that yes, if it were just men in charge of the Church then you would be right to have beef with it, but it is the Holy Spirit (check out Acts) Who is guiding the Church. Etc., etc., etc.

PS Your brother sounds like an awesome guy. Props.

 

[jomoco]

Ok guys, let’s use a hypothetical situation in which Gen 7 works, boosts our brains and bodies onto a higher plain where optimum health is achieved bodily, and our brains use 100 percent of their potential rather than their current paltry 10 percent. We can now determine for sure whether someone is lying or telling us the truth ok?

Now if this miracle were to come to pass, do I understand that despite Gen 7’s being rooted in biblical scripture of both old and new testaments, and achieves its efficacy through utilising the God given fruits of men and women, Gen 7 would be considered somehow the work of the devil or anti-christ by the RCC?

Am I reading you guys correctly?

Respectfully,

jomoco

 

[jonathanjlinn]

Ok guys, let’s use a hypothetical situation in which Gen 7 works, boosts our brains and bodies onto a higher plain where optimum health is achieved bodily, and our brains use 100 percent of their potential rather than their current paltry 10 percent. We can now determine for sure whether someone is lying or telling us the truth ok?

Now if this miracle were to come to pass, do I understand that despite Gen 7’s being rooted in biblical scripture of both old and new testaments, and achieves its efficacy through utilising the God given fruits of men and women, Gen 7 would be considered somehow the work of the devil or anti-christ by the RCC?

Am I reading you guys correctly?

I would pray the Rosary for a while with that question in mind. Then I would do what I felt God and the Blessed Virgin desired me to do.

Also, this whole project sounds like the Garden of Eden all over again. Eat it and be like gods…

How do we know what our full potential is. Only our creator knows such a thing.

 

[jomoco]

I would pray the Rosary for a while with that question in mind. Then I would do what I felt God and the Blessed Virgin desired me to do.

Also, this whole project sounds like the Garden of Eden all over again. Eat it and be like gods…

How do we know what our full potential is. Only our creator knows such a thing.

Perhaps a bit of truth concerning my own personal experience with heartfelt sincere prayers to God is in order here.

My wife who bore me three wonderful children came down with a fatal neurodegenerative disease called Huntingtons 17 years ago now. I prayed to God as sincerely and devoutly as a man could for His intercession to save her on a daily basis for years on end. Despite my prayers she passed away two years ago in agony that bears no repeating in this thread. She was a devout Catholic, a wonderful devoted mother, active in both church and our children’s schools. In short Mary was the kindest most loving soul I have ever known in my life.

That she died such a gruesome, painful and agonizing death shook me to the very depths of my own poor fallible soul in a way that nothing else could. At the time of her death my faith in God waivered for the first time in my flawed life, but it did not die. I came to the conclusion that because she was such a sweet loving soul, God gathered her to His loving arms to spare her the tribulations of the coming years this flawed pathetic world has in store for it in the future.

My point in recalling this grim episode in my life is to illustrate that sometimes it takes more than devout sincere prayers to achieve a desired goal in life, sometimes action is required, even if that action costs you your very life. That is the message I recieved loud and clear as a result of my many years of sincere prayers to my Christian God, whom I still firmly believe in despite losing the love of my life so horribly two years ago now.

My wife was far too kind and loving for this cruel world. I myself am another matter entirely in that I’m not the nicest or loving man at all anymore. As far as I’m concerned God can take my pitiful life at anytime or in any manner He chooses. I will complete Gen 7 one way or another. It has now become my only goal in life, such as it is.

Truth can be a two edged sword in my flawed fallible opinion, it cuts both ways uncaring of nothing but the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Respectfully,

jomoco

 

[BouncingBall]

Wow, Jomoco. I am sorry for your loss. I do not know what to say except God bless you and your family.

 

[donsnow]

Ok guys, let’s use a hypothetical situation in which Gen 7 works, boosts our brains and bodies onto a higher plain where optimum health is achieved bodily, and our brains use 100 percent of their potential rather than their current paltry 10 percent. We can now determine for sure whether someone is lying or telling us the truth ok?

Now if this miracle were to come to pass, do I understand that despite Gen 7’s being rooted in biblical scripture of both old and new testaments, and achieves its efficacy through utilising the God given fruits of men and women, Gen 7 would be considered somehow the work of the devil or anti-christ by the RCC?

Am I reading you guys correctly?

Respectfully,

jomoco

No, jomoco,

You’re not reading me properly. Put Genesis 7 aside, for the moment. OK?

Then, consider that a human effort to install a world religion will actually be what is prophesied of the Anti-Christ. It has nothing to do with Genesis chapter 7.

NOW, let’s consider Genesis chapter 7. If you wish to subvert scripture from its God meant usage to a private change to world to a science utopia, I can see where the Church could call that heresy.

God loves you,
Don

P.S. read your post about losing your wife. My condolences.
Maybe you could thank God that you still have your children.

Please remember Jesus words about the two prime commandments, which I repeated to you in a previous post. He said, “In these two commandments are all the law and all the prophets.”
Please remember what I wrote in the same post, that love is the key in the Kingdom of God. Your truth without love will devour you.
Have you sought professional help for your grief over your loss of your wife?

God loves you,
Don

 

[jomoco]

No, jomoco,

You’re not reading me properly. Put Genesis 7 aside, for the moment. OK?

Then, consider that a human effort to install a world religion will actually be what is prophesied of the Anti-Christ. It has nothing to do with Genesis chapter 7.

NOW, let’s consider Genesis chapter 7. If you wish to subvert scripture from its God meant usage to a private change to world to a science utopia, I can see where the Church could call that heresy.

God loves you,
Don

P.S. read your post about losing your wife. My condolences.
Maybe you could thank God that you still have your children.

Please remember Jesus words about the two prime commandments, which I repeated to you in a previous post. He said, “In these two commandments are all the law and all the prophets.”
Please remember what I wrote in the same post, that love is the key in the Kingdom of God. Your truth without love will devour you.
Have you sought professional help for your grief over your loss of your wife?

God loves you,
Don

Hi Don,

Gen 7, the title of my medical research project, is a cumulative play on Genesis 3:22, as in 3+2+2=7. That’s why this thread starts with the Genesis 3:22 paragraphs. It was the inspiration for my research.

I want to thank you and Bouncing Bull for your condolences.

As to my seeking any bereavement counseling over my Wife’s death from Huntingtons, I am not the sort of man to seek counseling from anyone but my Christian God, whom I still pray to for guidance daily.

Thanks,

jomoco

 

[donsnow]

Hi Don,

Gen 7, the title of my medical research project, is a cumulative play on Genesis 3:22, as in 3+2+2=7. That’s why this thread starts with the Genesis 3:22 paragraphs. It was the inspiration for my research.

I want to thank you and Bouncing Bull for your condolences.

As to my seeking any bereavement counseling over my Wife’s death from Huntingtons, I am not the sort of man to seek counseling from anyone but my Christian God, whom I still pray to for guidance daily.

Thanks,

jomoco

Oh, jomoco,

Thanks for referring me back to Gen 3, 22. I wondered what the flood (Gen 7) had to do with it. To my knowledge, there’s only two Biblical references specifically to the Tree of Life. The one in Gen 3, 22 and the other one in Revelations. There are references to “like as unto a tree of life”, but only the two to the actual tree of life.
I would like to point out, just as the Biblical tree of life was put out of reach by the angel with the flaming sword and is now, I think, in New Jerusalem, maybe any secular attempt to reach an earthly immortality is also out of reach.

Then, may our Lord Jesus Christ ease your grief. Your wife is surely in a better place, now.

God loves you,
Don

 

[jomoco]

Oh, jomoco,

Thanks for referring me back to Gen 3, 22. I wondered what the flood (Gen 7) had to do with it. To my knowledge, there’s only two Biblical references specifically to the Tree of Life. The one in Gen 3, 22 and the other one in Revelations. There are references to “like as unto a tree of life”, but only the two to the actual tree of life.
I would like to point out, just as the Biblical tree of life was put out of reach by the angel with the flaming sword and is now, I think, in New Jerusalem, maybe any secular attempt to reach an earthly immortality is also out of reach.

Then, may our Lord Jesus Christ ease your grief. Your wife is surely in a better place, now.

God loves you,
Don

Hi Don,

I realize that most good Catholics who read Genesis take it quite literally, believing that the trees of knowledge and life were actual trees baring magic fruit that could be literally eaten and digested and somehow convey miraculous changes in the minds of men and women.

But with all due respect, I don’t believe in that interpretation of Genesis. But rather that the many stories of Genesis, and other chapters of the bible are allegorical in nature. Meaning that God is using examples of nature we are familiar with, to describe something else entirely, something known only to Him that is within our reach if we can discern the true moral or nature of His parable/allegory?

These parables/allegories are rife throughout both the OT and NT, and widely used by both God and Jesus to allude to very important things hidden from us, yet still within reach provided we can determine their meanings.

As I’ve stated previously, I do not believe in magic, floating apparitions, or God speaking to men in an audible sense. God speaking to men and women in dreams are another matter that I can believe in, in that we all dream, but they are so diaphanous and obscure, even plastic, as in moldable, that making sense of them is almost impossible in real terms. Yet there’s no denying that dreams happen, and have influenced people throughout history, and are in a very limited sense, quite tangible to the individual experiencing them.

The closest thing to a waking conscience miracle of God that I have ever witnessed firsthand were the births of my children, which impressed me profoundly I assure you.

Anyway Don, I appreciate and respect your views on these important and vital matters, as well as your calm rational debating style and manner.

I’d like to throw one more hypothetical scenario out for consideration.

It’s been said that by their fruits ye shall know them. Suppose that the Gen 7 therapy cures diseases like ALS, Parkinsons, Huntingtons, Diabetes, blindness, deafness, in short all manner of diseases and afflictions, even to the point that it reverses a gay persons polarity making them normal and heterosexual like us?

Now there’s no denying that if Gen 7 can pull off such an astounding miracle? It could in no way be attributable to absolutely nothing done by man, but rather to the God who designed us the way we are.

Now if these admittedly unlikely things were to come to pass, would it be in your opinion, or that of the RCC, to be the work of the devil/anti-christ, or God?

Respectfully,

jomoco

 

[donsnow]

Hi Don,

I realize that most good Catholics who read Genesis take it quite literally, believing that the trees of knowledge and life were actual trees baring magic fruit that could be literally eaten and digested and somehow convey miraculous changes in the minds of men and women.

But with all due respect, I don’t believe in that interpretation of Genesis. But rather that the many stories of Genesis, and other chapters of the bible are allegorical in nature. Meaning that God is using examples of nature we are familiar with, to describe something else entirely, something known only to Him that is within our reach if we can discern the true moral or nature of His parable/allegory?

These parables/allegories are rife throughout both the OT and NT, and widely used by both God and Jesus to allude to very important things hidden from us, yet still within reach provided we can determine their meanings.

As I’ve stated previously, I do not believe in magic, floating apparitions, or God speaking to men in an audible sense. God speaking to men and women in dreams are another matter that I can believe in, in that we all dream, but they are so diaphanous and obscure, even plastic, as in moldable, that making sense of them is almost impossible in real terms. Yet there’s no denying that dreams happen, and have influenced people throughout history, and are in a very limited sense, quite tangible to the individual experiencing them.

The closest thing to a waking conscience miracle of God that I have ever witnessed firsthand were the births of my children, which impressed me profoundly I assure you.

Anyway Don, I appreciate and respect your views on these important and vital matters, as well as your calm rational debating style and manner.

I’d like to throw one more hypothetical scenario out for consideration.

It’s been said that by their fruits ye shall know them. Suppose that the Gen 7 therapy cures diseases like ALS, Parkinsons, Huntingtons, Diabetes, blindness, deafness, in short all manner of diseases and afflictions, even to the point that it reverses a gay persons polarity making them normal and heterosexual like us?

Now there’s no denying that if Gen 7 can pull off such an astounding miracle? It could in no way be attributable to absolutely nothing done by man, but rather to the God who designed us the way we are.

Now if these admittedly unlikely things were to come to pass, would it be in your opinion, or that of the RCC, to be the work of the devil/anti-christ, or God?

Respectfully,

jomoco

Hello, jomoco,

Umm.

Ok, in order. Imho, I think that there are allegorical, actual history, wisdom books, poetic prophecy, and literal events in the Bible, and that it takes prayer and the Holy Spirit to discern which is which.
This is why most Catholics rely on the Church, its Magesterium, for accurate interpretaion of scripture. Most of us honestly admit we don’t have the self discipline of most scholars, nor the education of any scholar, in reading the Holy Bible. As a convert, I have spent my time before conversion prayerfully reading the Holy Bible as my one source of knowledge about God and His kingdom.

Since my conversion, I have learned I can rely a lot, not totally, but rely more on the edicts of the Magesterium about Holy Scripture than I can rely on solely myself, to discern which texts in the Holy Bible are allegorical, which are parables, which are history, which are prophecy and which are poetry and wisdom.

In my mind, there is no magic in the Holy Bible, except the witch of Endor and like that which are pointed out as against God. The tree of life did not have magical fruit … the fruit of the tree of life, whether symbolic or actual or both, gave eternal life. That’s my understanding on that, I’m not sure what the Church teaches because I haven’t got to that part of my copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church. I believe that the actual tree of life is now in New Jerusalem, which cannot be sullied by violence nor false religion.

I’ve never seen a live child birth. But, jomoco, when I watched my favorite dog give birth to a litter of six puppies was my closest encounter with the miracle and sacredness of life and I was enthralled the whole time. So, I have a little idea of what you mean.

Umm, about your therapy derived from Gen 3,22. Since I think that there is as much an actual as spiritual hiatus on the tree of life as an actual and/or symbolic tree, then I believe that God has both materially and spiritually blocked the avenues of medical research toward a secular source of immortality. This thought comforts me, because life is His to give and His to take. Not ours. And I am encouraged to believe that He will keep the secrets of eternal life to the spiritual, not the medical realm. Because it is only His to dispense, not man’s place to dispense eternal life.

God loves you,
Don

 

[jomoco]

Hi Don,

I’d like to respectfully ask if Moses was a man, John the Baptist, Jesus?

Does not God work His will on earth through the agency of men and women?

Thanks,

jomoco

 

[donsnow]

Hi Don,

I’d like to respectfully ask if Moses was a man, John the Baptist, Jesus?

Does not God work His will on earth through the agency of men and women?

Thanks,

jomoco

Sure, jomoco,

All those prophets were men; except our Lord Jesus Christ was man and God combined.

Yes, He does. I can’t help but question, when scripture makes plain that freedom from death and illness will accompany the second coming of Jesus Christ, why would God commission any human to do a mockery of that with a Gen. 3,22 elixir? Science cannot replace God. I sincerely think that we’re supposed to wait on our Lord, for those blessings.

God loves you,
Don

 

[jonathanjlinn]

Well yeah, but Jesus was the one who opened up the road to eternal life (He is literally The Way!). He was Man but also God. The prophets merely brought divine revelation to the people and led them in the temporal. Did anyone but Jesus rise from the dead? Yes, but whose doing was it? Jesus’. Jesus died and rose from the dead by his own power. No other prophet or biblical character could do such a thing or claim that they could do such a thing. Jesus already delivered the gift of eternal life to us by his death and resurrection.

Also, what about judgement? How does that fit into the picture of the Genesis project?

 

[Spinozist]

Dear jomoco,

As a fellow Christian, one who also is not what most would call orthodox, I have a few questions for you, not on the ethics, but on the science.

What are the names of some of the researchers in your group?
Does your group have a website? If so, what is it?
Where is your lab located? What is its mailing address?
What papers have been published through your lab?
What grants have you applied for?

I am very interested in your work, but do not understand it. This sort of information will help me know if (a) your work is real and legitimate, and (b) where I can go to get a good description of it.

Many thanks,

A. C. Spinozist

 

[jomoco]

Dear jomoco,

As a fellow Christian, one who also is not what most would call orthodox, I have a few questions for you, not on the ethics, but on the science.

What are the names of some of the researchers in your group?
Does your group have a website? If so, what is it?
Where is your lab located? What is its mailing address?
What papers have been published through your lab?
What grants have you applied for?

I am very interested in your work, but do not understand it. This sort of information will help me know if (a) your work is real and legitimate, and (b) where I can go to get a good description of it.

Many thanks,

A. C. Spinozist

Hi Spinozist,

I’ll be happy to share the names of the PhD researchers involved with the Gen 7 Project.

I’ll even share the laboratory protocols themselves with you.

But because the lead researcher is one of this country’s very best stemcell researchers whose lab is quite well known, I will not post their names here in this thread.

You may e-mail me at jomooco@yahoo.com and upon receiving your word of honor not to
pester these scientists unnecessarily or bring any religious context into your discussions with them, I will share everything with you provided any contact you make with these men is kept within strictly scientific parameters. OK?

I look forward to hearing from you soon Spinozist.

jomoco

 

[jomoco]

Well yeah, but Jesus was the one who opened up the road to eternal life (He is literally The Way!). He was Man but also God. The prophets merely brought divine revelation to the people and led them in the temporal. Did anyone but Jesus rise from the dead? Yes, but whose doing was it? Jesus’. Jesus died and rose from the dead by his own power. No other prophet or biblical character could do such a thing or claim that they could do such a thing. Jesus already delivered the gift of eternal life to us by his death and resurrection.

Also, what about judgement? How does that fit into the picture of the Genesis project?

Hi Jonathan,

As to judgement, in my opinion that’s where it should be, in God’s worthy hands. So it doesn’t pertain to Gen 7 in any way to my knowledge, which is admittedly very limited.

However I do believe that the ability to determine the truth, as in when someone is lying to you, will somehow be an integral component of being treated with the Gen 7 therapy.

I have stated previously that humans use only a small percentage of their brain’s true potential, in that most of us don’t have memory’s capable of total recall. I suspect that Gen 7, if proven viable, will boost the brain’s potential efficiency considerably.

Just determining Gen 7’s true potential could take a while once it’s safety and efficacy have been proven clinically. And that of course won’t happen untill the POC protocols have been proven viable in the lab.

Best regards Jonathan,

jomoco