Reconciling Catholic Church teaching and "pro choice" Catholics

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Men can choose to stay virgins too, but since you only propose consequences for women who do not stay virgins, how is that fair unless they can choose to abort? Do you have any serious suggestions as to how the playing field could be made level for women?
Unequals need to be treated unequally. It is a physical truth, and a moral truth, that only women may carry a baby. How is it unfair to protect the innocent child?

BTW, many people conceive outside of marriage, a moral evil, yet they do not abort. Many married people abort. How do you have a law that prosecutes intercourse with the intent to abort? Is it a thought crime you are after?
 
The question is if both acts lead to the same “murder,” why do you propose only constraints on one party? Takes two to make an abortion, not one.
I agree that all who conspire to abort should be prosecuted. What I do not understand is why you think a law may be crafted to address intercourse that may lead to abortion?
 
I agree that all who conspire to abort should be prosecuted. What I do not understand is why you think a law may be crafted to address intercourse that may lead to abortion?
I’m not proposing any laws. I’m just trying to understand how the legal goals of the pro-life movement could be made honest and equal as proposals. I would still vote against equal laws because I do not think anyone should be trying to cure the abortion problem using the justice system. Not what Jesus would do, I say.
 
Lots of shadow monster charges, no specifics once again, but no surprise either by this point. The only specific charge made that I can work with above is an apology said to have been made. If it was made by one of the posters who writes many long posts that I simply have no time to read, then I probably didn’t see the apology or the thing done wrong to raise the perceived need for an apology to be offered. I have asked many questions on this thread. You are welcome to tackle one instead of whining, little soldier.
I am not whining. Although much of my post was my attempt to summarize what I believe has been going on in this discussion, I specifically addressed your failure to respond to what I believe to be an honest apology presented to you.

The apology (actually there are more than one) can be found in Post 760. I have noticed that in Post 780 you stated “I ask Caramel not to address any further posts to me, but it is a free world so she may do as she wishes as long as she respects my freedom to ignore her.”

I am guessing here but I don’t think you have the time to try to find the post which contains the apology. That is fine and I understand that this discussion is very long. It took me 30 minutes to find the post which contained the apology and also your Post number 780; and that was after I had already noted them in my mind. However, you stated above “…I have asked many questions on this thread.” If you don’t read the posts how do you know your questions have not been answered?

I am pointing it out to you now in the hope that you will, as did the poster who apologized, respond in a Christian manner. Maybe if everyone who is posting did so in a Christian manner there wouldn’t be so much confusion.
 
I’m not proposing any laws. I’m just trying to understand how the legal goals of the pro-life movement could be made honest and equal as proposals. I would still vote against equal laws because I do not think anyone should be trying to cure the abortion problem using the justice system. Not what Jesus would do, I say.
Jesus speaks through His Church. That is the point of this entire thread. We know what He asks of us.
 
I hope all of the reader non responders out there can see how ridiculous the rationalizations of the “pro choice” Catholics are. Every one of their questions is answered in the catechism; apparently they do not own or have access to one. The real reason for the questions is to rationalize their political position because it CANNOT be reconciled with Catholic Church teaching. It is impossible for them to follow the intention of the thread and keep this discussion to its intended purpose; RECONCILING CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHING AND “PRO CHOICE” CATHOLICS. Instead of asking questions which are easily answered in the catechism, why are they not explaining the logic that allows them to call themselves Catholic?
 
Please just mind your own business about interactions between other people and myself. This thread does not need any more extraneous posts.
Zamboni, please respect the right of others to post just as you are allowed to post.
 
The following YouTube video on Catholic Church abortion teaching should be quite acceptable to all pro-lifers here. My question about it is that the video raises the subject of how the Church penalty for committing the the crime of abortion is apparently excommunication.

Are there not pro-life women on this thread who have had abortions but are still recognized by the Church as Catholic? I hope they are still recognized as I would not personally want to see women excommunicated because they have had an abortion. It would probably be like murder to the weekly Church attendance numbers to excommunicate all Catholic women who have had abortions, would it not?
youtube.com/watch?v=8tpPetdNGOg
 
Men can choose to stay virgins too, but since you only propose consequences for women who do not stay virgins, how is that fair unless they can choose to abort? Do you have any serious suggestions as to how the playing field could be made level for women?
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I am proposing arresting the doctors who perform abortions - not the women who get conned or coerced into having them.

I consider the women who get abortions to be co-victims with their children; not criminals. My proposal to arrest abortionists is entirely gender-neutral - both male and female abortionists would receive life sentences with the possibility of parole no earlier than 25 years, just as if they had actually killed a human being. 🙂
 
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I am proposing arresting the doctors who perform abortions - not the women who get conned or coerced into having them.

I consider the women who get abortions to be co-victims with their children; not criminals. My proposal to arrest abortionists is entirely gender-neutral - both male and female abortionists would receive life sentences with the possibility of parole no earlier than 25 years, just as if they had actually killed a human being. 🙂
Interesting but if you arrest all the abortion doctors, how many years in jail should you do for the death you would cause if you got your way? You know, by driving abortion into alleys and back to the coat hanger and soda pop abortion days? And what of the 20 million doctor-less abortions that now occur every year in the absence of those uniquely ‘dangerous’ abortion service providers who you have made it your goal to imprison?
 
Interesting but if you arrest all the abortion doctors, how many years in jail should you do for the death you would cause if you got your way?..
You make it sound as if this was some novel concept. It is not. It was not that long ago that abortion was illegal. Obviously, reputable doctors back then simply chose not to break the law. Do you think that doctors today would jeapordize their careers by openly breaing the law? I doubt it.
 
Interesting but if you arrest all the abortion doctors, how many years in jail should you do for the death you would cause if you got your way? You know, by driving abortion into alleys and back to the coat hanger and soda pop abortion days?
Total propaganda - it never happened, or else maybe it happened once or twice, but prior to abortion becoming legal, these “coat hanger abortions” never actually took place. People “went to visit Aunt Sally in Europe” and gave their kids away to adoption agencies, or else Mom “had a caboose baby” - perfectly healthy, too, and four years after she hit menopause. 🤷 😛
And what of the 20 million doctor-less abortions that now occur every year in the absence of those uniquely ‘dangerous’ abortion service providers who you have made it your goal to imprison?
If you’d read my previous posts, you’d know that I would also outlaw abortion drugs. Self-poisoning is already grounds for involuntary institutionalization in a mental health facility; I would simply have those drugs declared poisonous and outlawed for manufacture or sale. 🙂
 
You make it sound as if this was some novel concept. It is not. It was not that long ago that abortion was illegal. Obviously, reputable doctors back then simply chose not to break the law. Do you think that doctors today would jeapordize their careers by openly breaing the law? I doubt it.
Abortion doctors place their whole lives in jeopardy to work in some parts of America, as we see from the news headlines that echo around the world. I don’t hear about the same thing happening in other countries but there are probably a scant few cases outside America. What is going on in America? It was either the last doctor who was shot and killed or the one before that whose FBI bodyguard thought the doctor would be safe left unguarded at church one Sunday. Instead, the doctor was shot dead inside of his church.

May I ask how you feel about this murder of an abortion doctor while he was attending church?
 
May I ask how you feel about this murder of an abortion doctor while he was attending church?
His murderer should be given a life sentence with no hope of parole for at least 25 years, just as if he had killed a real human being. 🙂
 
Total propaganda - it never happened, or else maybe it happened once or twice, but prior to abortion becoming legal, these “coat hanger abortions” never actually took place. People “went to visit Aunt Sally in Europe” and gave their kids away to adoption agencies, or else Mom “had a caboose baby” - perfectly healthy, too, and four years after she hit menopause. 🤷 😛

If you’d read my previous posts, you’d know that I would also outlaw abortion drugs. Self-poisoning is already grounds for involuntary institutionalization in a mental health facility; I would simply have those drugs declared poisonous and outlawed for manufacture or sale. 🙂
If back alley abortions of the past are propaganda then how are the 20 million back alley abortions of today explained away? I don’t know who would have time to read all the posts here, which is the only reason I’ve not read more of yours. But reading about the different ways you would like to control the lives of others is not usually the kind of reading that holds my interest for very long.
 
If back alley abortions of the past are propaganda then how are the 20 million back alley abortions of today explained away?
Okay, now you’ve totally lost me. You want abortion to remain legal because otherwise people will have back-alley abortions. But apparently making them legal hasn’t done that, and there are 20 million back alley abortions going on today? (That’s more than triple the actual pregnancy rate, you realize … )
I don’t know who would have time to read all the posts here, which is the only reason I’ve not read more of yours. But reading about the different ways you would like to control the lives of others is not usually the kind of reading that holds my interest for very long.
“Controlling the lives of others” - that’s hilarious. At least I’m not the one snuffing them out for the sake of convenience, or out of embarrassment.
 
Abortion doctors place their whole lives in jeopardy to work in some parts of America, as we see from the news headlines that echo around the world…
That is a load of dung. They are not in jeopardy. You have more of a chance being killed by slipping in the shower than you do because you’re an abortion doctor. Your worldwide “echos” are merely echo of bogus propoganda.

And besides, the term “abortion doctor” is an oxymoron. Doctors are supposed to do no harm, and abortionists do nothing BUT harm. They murder for money. I’d love to see everyone of them locked up behind bars for life.

But as I said, REPUTABLE doctors would not jeapordize their careers by openly breaing the law, so they would not go to jail.
 
…May I ask how you feel about this murder of an abortion doctor while he was attending church?
That too was murder, so it was wrong.

But personally, I feel he got what he deserved. He was not your avarage abortionist, as vile as they are. He was one of the rare abortionsts who murdred late term, full grown babies who are mere days away from delivery. The man was a monster and a barbarian
 
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