Reconciling the pro-life stance

[maize]

in regards to rape and incest.

i know that life begins at conception and that abortion is wrong, but the pro-life hurdle im facing is believing that a woman that is raped or a victim of incest/molestation must carry the child until birth.

i understand that that is not the childs fault, but i also wonder about if the trauma of abortion would be less than carrying a rapist’s baby to term?

answers/help?

 

[vern_humphrey]

in regards to rape and incest.

i know that life begins at conception and that abortion is wrong, but the pro-life hurdle im facing is believing that a woman that is raped or a victim of incest/molestation must carry the child until birth.

i understand that that is not the childs fault, but i also wonder about if the trauma of abortion would be less than carrying a rapist’s baby to term?

answers/help?

The “trauma of abortion” is death. The baby dies.

The baby is as much a victim as the mother – rape is the only crime that carries a death sentence for the victim, who doesn’t even get a trial.

 

[Mystic_of_God]

in regards to rape and incest.

i know that life begins at conception and that abortion is wrong, but the pro-life hurdle im facing is believing that a woman that is raped or a victim of incest/molestation must carry the child until birth.

i understand that that is not the childs fault, but i also wonder about if the trauma of abortion would be less than carrying a rapist’s baby to term?

answers/help?

I don’t know about you people. My extended family feels the same way, but the thing is, two wrongs do not a right make. Furthermore, the fundamental question is - is it a child or not?

If it is, then abortion is homocide.

If it isn’t, abortion is a mere medical procedure to end a pregnancy.

Those are the options.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The right to life is the most fundamental of all human rights. Without a right to life, all other rights are valueless. What good does freedom of speech do a dead man? How can a corpse exercise the right to trial by jury?

The right to life accrues to each of us as a part of our basic humanity. It is as much a part of us as our minds, our personalities, or our arms and legs. It is given to us by no one. It is ours merely because we are living human beings.

There are those who say that “society” or the government decides when we get the right to life. If that is so, then it is no right at all, but merely a privilege, for if the government can grant the right to life, it can surely withhold it. Once you accept that the government has this power, you must accept, willy-nilly that the government can decree some people – perhaps Jews, or Blacks or Catholics – never get the right to life.

If, therefore there is such a thing as a right to life, it must accrue to every living human being. This sets up a simple, three-part test.

 Is the unborn child living? If it were not, we would not be having this debate!

 Is it human? Check the DNA. If it has rabbit or squirrel DNA, then it is not human. But if it has human DNA, it is human.

 But is it a being? Check the DNA again. If it has the mother’s DNA, then it is a part of her body. But if it has its own DNA, then it is a being – a separate and distinct human life.

Very clearly, the unborn has the same right to live as any other living human being. Who denies that, denies the whole concept of human rights.

 

[puzzleannie]

in regards to rape and incest.

i know that life begins at conception and that abortion is wrong, but the pro-life hurdle im facing is believing that a woman that is raped or a victim of incest/molestation must carry the child until birth.

i understand that that is not the childs fault, but i also wonder about if the trauma of abortion would be less than carrying a rapist’s baby to term?

answers/help?

let me see if I understand your question
a woman, or girl, has been the victim of a violent crime, which in addition to its other physical and psychological effects, has left her pregnant. you are suggesting that direct murder of an innocent third party, the baby, is going to somehow mitigate her own trauma, that a murder plus a rape is somehow “less traumatic” than a rape and a pregnancy.

all our constitutional rights and laws derived to protect those rights rest upon the right to life. if there is no right to life for the most innocent and most helpless, there is no right to life for anyone, and neither can their be any subsidiary right, such as right to be protected from violent assault. If it is not wrong to murder the baby, it is not wrong to rape the mother.

 

[1ke]

in regards to rape and incest.

i know that life begins at conception and that abortion is wrong, but the pro-life hurdle im facing is believing that a woman that is raped or a victim of incest/molestation must carry the child until birth.

It is wrong to kill babies. Always.

i understand that that is not the childs fault, but i also wonder about if the trauma of abortion would be less than carrying a rapist’s baby to term?

According to rape victims who have had abortions and those who have not, the answer to your question is no.

However, this is not relevant. It is always wrong to kill babies.

answers/help?

Why is this problematic for you?

 

[maize]

thank you for your replies, alot of the things said make sense.

 

[Cari]

Rape (and I include incest in this for the sake of argument) turns one human being into an object to be manipulated by another human being. It is to be completely robbed of your humanity and turned into some THING.

A woman facing a pregnancy as a result of this horror is now going to do the same thing to her child should she abort it. She is going to turn it into an object in order to manipulate it out of existence. She is going to strip it of its humanity and turn it into an unwanted THING.

 

[mapleoak]

i understand that that is not the childs fault, but i also wonder about if the trauma of abortion would be less than carrying a rapist’s baby to term?

answers/help?

The two issues presented here are:

A. Trauma of abortion
B. Carrying a rapist’s baby to term

The trauma of abortion is just that, trauma of such degree inflicted upon the unborn that results in its death as well as trauma to the mother both physically and emotionally for having ended a life.

Carrying a rapist’s baby to term is a half truth. It is also the mother’s baby. Carrying ones baby to term is not trauma so cannot be worse than abortion.

Further an unborn child who was conceived as a result of rape is no less human than an adult who was conceived as a result of rape. One would have to reason that people conceived as a result of rape are not worthy of living and should be exterminated. This is an unjustifiable position even from a purely secular stance. As with all other arguments to justify abortion, the unborn rape victim is no more culpable for having been conceived in such manner than that same person is as an adult.

 

[vern_humphrey]

A child of rape is as much a victim as its mother. Rape is the only crime where people are willing to give the victim a death sentence – and without even granting him a trial.

 

[mapleoak]

A child of rape is as much a victim as its mother. Rape is the only crime where people are willing to give the victim a death sentence – and without even granting him a trial.

Exactly, both are victims. The child is not the criminal, but is treated as such, convicted, sentenced, and put to death.