Redemptinis Sacramentum

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I have not read it yet! But clicked on your link will down load it today and I will read it this weekend.

It looks like great discussion!🙂
 
I thought I had read the document in it’s entirety, but just yesterday, while reading it, I came across something that I didn’t recall, so I think I’ve really been scanning it.

And I voted that I’d like to discuss it! 🙂
 
I think we probably will all have a better understanding of it if we do it this way. Once I know there are enough interested people, I will be happy to take the responsibility of posting the different sections for discussion.

I think too often the Church has issued documents which on an individual basis appear too long or too complex for us to tackle.

By doing it as a group, we probably will have more success in our comprehension. How often do we see (and post) blurbs from documents without knowing what preceeds or follows that quote (mea culpa). Sometimes posting a quote out of context does not change the meaning and sometimes it does.

Anyway since this is a document that we should be hearing about a lot in the coming months and that this along with the new GIRM should be evidencing changes in the liturgy in our parishes, being better informed can help us and pehaps give us a tool to help our parish comply.
 
I think paragraph 158, if vigorously enforced, would go a long way to returning the awe and reverence deserving of the Blessed Sacrament.%between%
 
By the way here are two other links you may find useful if you plan to enter the discussion on Redemptionis Sacramentum and want links to some of the references - sometimes when I see a document referenced, referring to it enhances my understanding.

It is not recommended you try to read all these documents in order to enter the discussion but I did not in the introduction, it recommends that Ecclesia De Eucharistia be used in conjunction with this instruction, so I list it first. The others are for your reference and for your internet library of links to Church Documents.

Ecclesia De Eucharistia
vatican.va/edocs/ENG0821/_INDEX.HTM

General Instructions of the Roman Missal (with U.S. adaptions)
usccb.org/liturgy/current/revmissalisromanien.htm

Code of Canon Law
intratext.com/X/ENG0017.htm

Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy - Sacrosanctum Concilium
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html

The Instruction concerning worship of the Eucharistic Mystery (Inaestimabile Donum)
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/euche3.htm
 
Thanks AAron but you are jumping way ahead. When we start the discussion we want to take it chapter by chapter - see you in Chapter VII if not before:)
 
I think I have read the whole document, but would like to read again and study in depth… from what I have been able to read and contemplate… it is LOVELY… we are extremely blessed to have JPII he is a treasure!
 
I did begin discussions on it in several threads but participation has not shown me any real interest in discussing it so far.
 
I was away from a computer all day yesterday, and will likely be able to post and read as much over the next few days. (It’s back to school time, ya know! lots to do.)
But I would really like to continue reading and studying with you, deo. If this forum isn’t suitable for the job (I have to search for your threads on RS! And sometimes I get distracted and sidetracked!) I’d still like to study, even by email or some other form.
I’m not terribly computer literate.
Maybe there is an easy way to go about this; I’m not sure.

Pax Christi. <><
 
You seem to be a majority of one wanting to discuss this. By now you can see that most people who post on forums want to give opinions and not necessarily discuss facts:D
 
My parish priest edits a magazine here and his thoughts can be found at

faith.org.uk/Homepage/homepage.html

No direct link so after getting the above page

Click on July/ Aug issue then look at the latest issue then ‘The Real Value of the liturgy’
 
I read the whole thing. But then again I am a bit of a nerd. I like to research issues myself instead of trusting another’s interpretation.
 
Two concepts from the Preamble that attracted my attention were:

[7.] Not infrequently, abuses are rooted in a false understanding of liberty. Yet God has not granted us in Christ an illusory liberty by which we may do what we wish, but a liberty by which we may do that which is fitting and right.

And

[10.] The Church herself has no power over those things which were established by Christ himself and which constitute an unchangeable part of the Liturgy.

I think this speaks to the true nature of faithful stewardship. Even though the Pope holds the keys to the kingdom and 15.] The Roman Pontiff, “the Vicar of Christ and the Pastor of the universal Church on earth, by virtue of his supreme office enjoys full, immediate and universal ordinary power, which he may always freely exercise”

The Pope and the Bishops must execute their duties in a way that confirms to the will of God.

I was also stuck by the power of the words

[1.] In the Most Holy Eucharist, Mother Church with steadfast faith acknowledges the Sacrament of redemption,[1] joyfully takes it to herself, celebrates it and reveres it in adoration, proclaiming the death of Christ Jesus and confessing his Resurrection until he comes in glory[2] to hand over, as unconquered Lord and Ruler, eternal Priest and King of the Universe, a kingdom of truth and life to the immense majesty of the Almighty Father.[3]

Any other thoughts about the Preamble, or the Notes referenced?
 
[7.] Not infrequently, abuses are rooted in a false understanding of liberty. Yet God has not granted us in Christ an illusory liberty by which we may do what we wish, but a liberty by which we may do that which is fitting and right.
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This is no doubt a big factor not only in liturgical abuses in our Church today but in the Cafeteria Catholicism we often see. There is definitely a misunderstanding about liberty and freedom and sometimes this is fostered by some lay leaders in the Church.

I know someone who was told by RCIA that “something is a sin if you believe it is a sin and you confess it if it bothers you - then you will receive forgiveness and you will feel much better getting it off your chest”.

I suppose that explains why nearly everyone receives communion but only 4-5 people show up for confession.
 
Yet God has not granted us in Christ an illusory liberty by which we may do what we wish, but a liberty by which we may do that which is fitting and right.
Yet, even just this month, we have a mother in the diocese of Trenton demanding (what she wants) that her child be given a rice Host rather than wheat, and we have Bishop Sklva of Milwaukee writing an article calling those who stress importance of the rubrics ‘heretics.’ No condemnation is made of those who violate the rubrics.

The “we can do as we please” mentality seems epidemic. It is going to be very difficult, I think, for those of us who desire a True Liturgy as defined by the Magisterium to achieve it.

Even in a parish such as mine, whose motto seems to be peace, charity, harmony…It seems there is a war going on for the soul of the Church. And far too many people are willing to roll over and play dead when it comes to confronting the issue of liturgical abuse.

(btw my parish has only one priest and two deacons. I’m not sure that we even have a liturgist, per se. Perhaps that is a good thing…)
 
And far too many people are willing to roll over and play dead when it comes to confronting the issue of liturgical abuse.
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I would suggest this is because they do not realize that the liturgy has deep meaning in the Mass - they see us as nit pickers and that it is unimportant.

We must understand the why of the liturgy to embrace its full importance.

All the ceremonies within the liturgy of the Mass have a specific significance. Some were instituted by Christ himself, others were added by the Apostles and still others have since been added by the Church. Although these latter are not essential, no priest can or should deviate from them without serious sin and no layperson or priest should change the words or the prescribed actions without the authority of the Pope or his spokespersons the Bishops.

“The Sacrifice of the Mass is and remains the center of the Christian Religion, the sum of spiritual exercises, the heart of devotion and the soul of piety. Hence that ever-new, never-failing power by which the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass attracts all Catholic hearts and gathers Catholic nations around its altars. Everywhere the Holy mass retains this magnetic power of attraction…The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the soul and the heart of the liturgy of the Church, it is the mystical chalice that presents to our lips the sweet fruit of the passion of the God-Man-that is, grace” Father Nicholas Gihr - The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass

The Mass is indeed the soulof the Catholic religion, the most sublime, and most august mystery of our Catholic Faith and it must not be distorted or tampered with at the whim of individuals. It is the one great Sacrifice which is holy, perfect and in every respect complete. By it the faithful render the highest honor to God and at the same time acknowledge their own nothingness and the supreme dominion God has over his creatures. Yet there are those who not recognizing that the Mass is about this, about God, will try to make it about them. What they want, what they enjoy, what they like more than what the rubics and words and actions mean.

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