Reference thread: False Rumors

[CentralFLJames]

Hi,
97% of child abuse in that country is by non-religous. You must condemn society as a whole for 97% of these crimes, and accept that only 3% of child abuse happens through the actions of Catholic religous. The Catholic Church and its institutions are the safest place for our children, 97% safer in fact than our own homes and schools.

The numbers are much lower for Catholics. That 3% religious organizational crime is shared between ALL the religious and the Protestants are some of the very worst that go unreported.

On the latter, the biggest crime that is unreported in the press is Protestant minister spousal abuse – which is ZERO in the Catholic Church being that its celibate non-married. The incidence of Protestant child abuse is alarmingly higher than Catholics on a differential percentage basis – but the spouse abuse is WAY above the child molestation rates. Yet we never hear a peep about this of the many Protestant ministers who crack under pressures of being both “man of God” and “man of the house” beat up their wives then go seek affections vicariously through mistresses and prostitutes or woman in their parishes who they know are emotionally fragile and easy prey. And some of the woman are rebounding and sophisticated floozies coming out of busted up marriages looking for a respected authority figure to make their miserable life happy again and don’t think twice about usurping the minister’s wife’s cushy position as domestic comforter in exchange for the promise of the white picket fence and big house. The wives of these men are forced to live double-lives - always in the public eye and made to appear to be the perfect homemaker and spousal support but at home its often very abusive.

Also, I don’t have the numbers handy but there is also a lot of accepted spousal cheating going on in married Protestant minister households. It is often “overlooked” by the woman who can’t risk exposing her husband and losing their reputation and income/job. And if not the man then she herself is cheating due to not getting the attention from her husband who is stressed out running his church and having no time for the family. I think this is going to be the next huge scandal to come out that is going to bust the Protestant religions to shreds if the reporters ever start reporting it - but I think there is a “hands off” policy with a lot of the press in this area when it comes to Protestant faiths since its more germane to what’s remaining of our American-Culture – which was what this country was originally founded on but is rapidly falling away into pure secularism. Eventually it will come out.

James

 

[Thing]

The numbers are much lower for Catholics. That 3% religious organizational crime is shared between ALL the religious and the Protestants are some of the very worst that go unreported.

On the latter, the biggest crime that is unreported in the press is Protestant minister spousal abuse – which is ZERO in the Catholic Church being that its celibate non-married. The incidence of Protestant child abuse is alarmingly higher than Catholics on a differential percentage basis – but the spouse abuse is WAY above the child molestation rates. Yet we never hear a peep about this of the many Protestant ministers who crack under pressures of being both “man of God” and “man of the house” beat up their wives then go seek affections vicariously through mistresses and prostitutes or woman in their parishes who they know are emotionally fragile and easy prey. And some of the woman are rebounding and sophisticated floozies coming out of busted up marriages looking for a respected authority figure to make their miserable life happy again and don’t think twice about usurping the minister’s wife’s cushy position as domestic comforter in exchange for the promise of the white picket fence and big house. The wives of these men are forced to live double-lives - always in the public eye and made to appear to be the perfect homemaker and spousal support but at home its often very abusive.

Also, I don’t have the numbers handy but there is also a lot of accepted spousal cheating going on in married Protestant minister households. It is often “overlooked” by the woman who can’t risk exposing her husband and losing their reputation and income/job. And if not the man then she herself is cheating due to not getting the attention from her husband who is stressed out running his church and having no time for the family. I think this is going to be the next huge scandal to come out that is going to bust the Protestant religions to shreds if the reporters ever start reporting it - but I think there is a “hands off” policy with a lot of the press in this area when it comes to Protestant faiths since its more germane to what’s remaining of our American-Culture – which was what this country was originally founded on but is rapidly falling away into pure secularism. Eventually it will come out.

James

Hi, yes, I was thinking of the country mentioned earlier, the statistics for Ireland. It has a very small population and percentages translate into quite small figures.

According to one researcher;
Accurate data on child abuse is simply not available for any historical period [in Ireland], and this fact is acknowledged in a 2001 study which cites hugely varying reported rates of child abuse across the country as evidence of inconsistent data integrity and collection. For example, in 1999, one health board reported 18.4 cases per 1000 children while another reported 4.4, with a national average of 8.4. The study was part of an initiative to overhaul the Department of Health and Children’s information infrastructure in the area of child care, and so we can hope that improvements will be made in the future.

In 1997 there were 2907.5 confirmed cases of child abuse.

The total population of children in Ireland in 1997 was 849,871, between 1 to 15yrs of age.

The total number of confirmed cases of child abuse in 1997 represents 0.342% of the population of children under 15 yrs in 1997.

Of that 0.342%, religious abuse, if memory serves was, 3% of 0.342%.

Which would be 87.225 cases involving religious.

In abuse cases up to 1970 there have been four categories of abuse identified;
And those 87 cases would be further divied into those four categories, the majority of cases presumably not being sexual abuse but emotional and physical abuse.

One commentator writes;
Physical abuse includes “being kicked”; neglect includes “inadequate heating”; and emotional abuse includes “lack of attachment and affection.” Not nice, to be sure, but hardly draconian, especially given the time line: fully 82 percent of the incidents took place before 1970. As the New York Times noted, “many of them [are] now more than 70 years old.” And quite frankly, corporal punishment was not exactly unknown in many homes during these times, and this is doubly true when dealing with miscreants.

So, I suppose, in 1997 there were 2,820 confirmed cases of child abuse. These 2,820 cases constitute 97% of cases of child abuse, all perpetrated by lay people (non-religious).

 

[CentralFLJames]

Hi, yes, I was thinking of the country mentioned earlier, the statistics for Ireland. It has a very small population and percentages translate into quite small figures.

According to one researcher;
Accurate data on child abuse is simply not available for any historical period [in Ireland], and this fact is acknowledged in a 2001 study which cites hugely varying reported rates of child abuse across the country as evidence of inconsistent data integrity and collection. For example, in 1999, one health board reported 18.4 cases per 1000 children while another reported 4.4, with a national average of 8.4. The study was part of an initiative to overhaul the Department of Health and Children’s information infrastructure in the area of child care, and so we can hope that improvements will be made in the future.

In 1997 there were 2907.5 confirmed cases of child abuse.

The total population of children in Ireland in 1997 was 849,871, between 1 to 15yrs of age.

The total number of confirmed cases of child abuse in 1997 represents 0.342% of the population of children under 15 yrs in 1997.

Of that 0.342%, religious abuse, if memory serves was, 3% of 0.342%.

Which would be 87.225 cases involving religious.

In abuse cases up to 1970 there have been four categories of abuse identified;
And those 87 cases would be further divied into those four categories, the majority of cases presumably not being sexual abuse but emotional and physical abuse.

One commentator writes;
Physical abuse includes “being kicked”; neglect includes “inadequate heating”; and emotional abuse includes “lack of attachment and affection.” Not nice, to be sure, but hardly draconian, especially given the time line: fully 82 percent of the incidents took place before 1970. As the New York Times noted, “many of them [are] now more than 70 years old.” And quite frankly, corporal punishment was not exactly unknown in many homes during these times, and this is doubly true when dealing with miscreants.

So, I suppose, in 1997 there were 2,820 confirmed cases of child abuse. These 2,820 cases constitute 97% of cases of child abuse, all perpetrated by lay people (non-religious).

The numbers are so low its hardly worth the cost to spend a lot of money studying it and spinning people up about it and getting big-government involved and imposing “corrective measures” that just result in ridiculous restrictions where one always needs double chaperons, signatures and permissions for everything imaginable and more bureaucracy and new specialized departments.

By current secular standards here in the USA it would probably be taken as child abuse to take away cell-phones, PCs and game-boxes and force children to play outside in the hot and humid playgrounds and ball fields. It’s gotten insane.

When I was a lad growing up any adult in the neighborhood street could challenge any child who was misbehaving (and we were rather creative and mischievous boys - bottle rocket wars, fighting/wrestling/rough-play, creative weaponry construction [like making slingshots out of adjacent trees tied off with an inner-tube stretched between to launch huge garden stones at passing sailboats etc. haha] and ingenious pranks like calling in orders of 10 pizza’s for delivery to the bully kid’s house in his name and watching his mom go ballistic when they arrived ). Back then, any adult was given free reign to discipline any child and was encouraged to do so. I recall a number of times where we were caught by an adult neighbor in some ingeniously mischievous act, scolded, once spanked and told to “march straight home to your father and tell him what you did or I will call him and tell him”. Every kid’s parents back then would applaud any other adult for disciplining their child if he was out of line and then give it too us again. Try that nowadays and the police would be called and haul off the adult and it would reported in the local mullet wrapper as assault or abuse and the kid’s parents lawyers would sue.

No doubt, by today’s standards my father would be in jail if somone saw him spank us like we used to get spanked when out of line - progressive lashes proportional to degree of offense with a leather belt, denial of dinner and confined to room for the day. It was common to be economically grounded with no allowance for 2 to 4 weeks and no play time with friends. But of course moms could always be appealed to by creatively making oneself a nuisance when confined to the house and chores and get relieved from punishment by feigning incompetence (e.g. adding bleach to the colored clothes in the washer was pretty effective and we thought it looked close enough to tie-dye to be "cool’ if dad refused to buy new clothes to further punish us through humility haha ).

James