Reflections on Hatred and the Defamation of the Prophet Muhammad

[LilyM]

Cyber Knight:

Im sorry, I meant Marry. Mother of Jesus. Lord Jesus no need our pray. We who need his bless. Put pbuh behind Jesus’ name is an insult (for me anyway). I really do not wish that you are playing taqqiya now, Lily. Lol.

I don’t intend to play at anything, certainly not to insult anyone

I would think it’s an insult to pray FOR anyone (Jesus or Mary or any of the saints) if we know they are already with God. As if our poor prayers can do anything for them!

Since, presumably, Moslems believe Muhammad is already with Allah, surely it would be an insult to pray FOR him also? That’s why I didn’t think pbuh was actually a prayer FOR anyone

Hmmm, this one needs some thinking about …

 

[LatinCat]

Hashi Al-Eritre:

in the article, the author has a section right before the conclusion titled: Defamation versus Critique. He explains the difference very well.

I think you should first learn the life of the Prophet Mohammed before making such a judgement. I can give u too many examples from his life that would illustrate the opposite of what youve just said about him. Actually, his way was to pardon those who defamed, insulted and harmed him.

The Prophets (Mohammed and the prophets before him) were called many names as the quran tells us, such as ‘a mad man’, ’ a sorcerer’, ‘a lier’, and ‘one possessed by an evil spirit’. They were mocked, laughed at, insulted publically, thrown filth at them, etc. But they were obligated by God to be patient with the harms of the people and to ‘call them to the way of their Lord, and debate with them in a way that is best’ as the Quran says. Enduring harm from the people is part of prophethood.

Related on the authority of Anas, a close companion of the Prophet. “A Jewish woman brought a poisoned lamb to the Prophet (Pbuh) and he ate of it. When the woman was brought to him, people suggested: “Shall we kill her?” The Prophet said: “No”. I have recognized the effects of that poisoning in the Prophet’s throat ever since.”(Related by Al Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood, Ahmad and others).

Narrated 'Aisha (the wife of the Prophet) A group of Jews entered upon the Prophet and said, “As-Samu-Alaikum.” (i.e. death be upon you). I understood it and said, “Wa-Alaikum As-Samu wal-la’n. (death and the curse of Allah be Upon you).” Allah’s Apostle said “Be calm, O 'Aisha! Allah loves that one should be kind and lenient in all matters.” I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Haven’t you heard what they (the Jews) have said?” Allah’s Apostle said "I have (already) said (to them) "And upon you ! " [Related in Bukhari]

When the Prophet entered Makkah with his army, he pardoned all the Makkans for the harms they caused him and the muslims, saying: “O people of Makkah! You know the laws of battle and also the punishment of violating a pact. Now, when you are subdued, the Muslims have the right to either to behead you or enslave you. But today, I will tell you the same that Yusuf told his brothers after he was enthroned. Allah has pardoned all of you. Therefore, you all are free. There will not be any bar on your life or property”.

And there are many examples i can give but suffice this to just make the point.

Mohommed taugh heresy and lies. He offend Jesus Christ our great God and Savior. That is enough for him to lose my respect.

 

[ahimsaman72]

LilyM:

I’m just trying to show some respect for Islamic beliefs with the ‘pbuh’,

commendable and appropriate given the hostile situation that has developed recently.

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

Hashi Al-Eritre:

**Reflections on Hatred and the Defamation of the Prophet Muhammad **

Jamaal al-Deen Zarabozo

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My freedom of speech ends where your personal dignity begins

When it comes to the relations between “the West” and the “Muslim world,” there is no question that we are currently living in an environment of heightened fear, hatred, anxiety, violence and extremism. We are living in a time in which the prudent and wise person will think about what he will say or do. It is obviously not a time in which we avoid speaking the truth and working for justice—as that is always a given. However, it is a time for reasonable people to avoid anything that can be used in a negative way to further destabilize the situation and cause senseless harm.

In particular since 9/11, one often hears the following question being posed by the people of the West, “Why do they hate us?” It is interesting to observe what behavior is occurring at the same time that they are asking this question—and, in fact, what behavior has been occurring for centuries, as shall be noted later. At the same time that they are, it must be presumed, sincerely asking the question, “Why do they hate us?” many of their societal leaders and many in their media continue to disrespect and ridicule Islam, Muslims and even the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)—doing acts that seem to be intended only to hurt the feelings of the Muslims. Most recently, one can point to the cartoons in Denmark that depicted, for example, the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) having a bomb in his turban.[2] These classless and offensive cartoons were later republished in other newspapers throughout Europe, demonstrating support for the original publishers.[3] Even before these events, one can find Christian leaders and social commentators in the United States making antagonistic and hate-provoking statements about Islam or the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), calling him a terrorist or even a child molester. The situation has not been much better in Europe, although they have much larger Muslim minorities.

In this environment, beyond asking “Why do they hate us?” perhaps another important question needs to be asked by all: Is our own behavior leading us in a positive or beneficial direction? Maybe the answer to this question may shed some light on the answer to the aforementioned question.

islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=1256&

I agree with these sentiments. We each have to look at our own motives and behaviors to see if we are being respectful and tolerant of others. The problem is getting us individually and us as a group of nations to realize this.

Will you echo my sentiments now that the rioting and violence is uncalled for and morally wrong and that the cartoons are morally wrong? Many of your leaders have spoken against the violent protesting and advocate only peaceful protesting.

What do you say?

Peace…

 

[Cyber_Knight]

LilyM:

I don’t intend to play at anything, certainly not to insult anyone

I would think it’s an insult to pray FOR anyone (Jesus or Mary or any of the saints) if we know they are already with God. As if our poor prayers can do anything for them!

I would think saints (and Mother Mary) also were human. Sending bless or simple pray from them is not wrong at all. Only Jesus that does not need our prayers as He is one with the Father and Holy Spirit.

Since, presumably, Moslems believe Muhammad is already with Allah, surely it would be an insult to pray FOR him also? That’s why I didn’t think pbuh was actually a prayer FOR anyone

I didnt say pbuh a prayer, its a simple prayer like a bless, asking God to send peace onto them. I read somewhere there’s a verse mentioning muslims to pray for the mesenger of God(Muhammad) after he die and asking God to give him a good place that God has promised on him. If you think that was an insult, then contact your muslim friend.

Hmmm, this one needs some thinking about …

Indeed.

 

[MommaKat]

I just know in the end that all faithful believer will be Catholic. I don’t worry about now. I will let the beautiful lady deal with the Muslims she will lead them to her son. Look to our Lady of Guadalupe she stands on the cresent moon. Pray hard for those by no fault of there own are ingnorant of TRUTH and live TRUTH by example.

 

[italianfriend]

Hi,
I’ve worked all over the planet (well…almost) for about 26 ys. as a Christian missionary, meeting and helping people from all walks of life, different religions and/or lack of them.
I would like to state that never have I met a Muslim who showed contempt and/or a lack of respect toward me and/or toward my faith. I cannot say the same of Westerners. (yeah, I know in the civilized West anything goes and people are ‘free’ to express themselves)
People from Africa, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudia Arabia and other Muslim countries were always polite and courteous.
While it is true that there are Muslim fundamentalists who are quick on the trigger (so to speak) it is also true that a lot of so-called "Christians’ are even worse than that.
They might not bomb embassies and blow themselves up to kill what they see as the enemy but this does not make them any better considering they resort to bombing entire poor countries with innocent women, children, elderly folks in the name of a God they don’t know.
It is a shame that while we condemn the Arab world as the biggest evil in all of history we forget (the "Christian’ West) to look into our own backyard and not just to the past but to the horrors that a so-called Christian country like America has commited against the poor and is still committing.
And while the Muslims might have an excuse for what they are doing since they are ‘pagans’ what’s the excuse for a Christian?
And why, instead of judging others and bunching them all up together, we as Christian preach a little less and live a little more the way Jesus did and try to love others with His unconditional love?
Now, I am not condoning violence. It is wrong. Period.
And I will go as far as to say that being violent has nothing to do with being a follower of the true Allah as it has nothing to do with being a Christian. I am in contact with Muslims from a few different countries. They are kind, polite, non-violent people and they do not bash me for believing that Jesus is the son of God.
Anyway, this is my personal experience and opinion.
I hope I made some sense.
God bless you

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Hi Italian, well go enjoy your meeting with the muslims. Until then you realize they would kick your butt outta your country and asking you, embrace Islam or death. Ciao!

 

[StMarkEofE]

melbourne_guy:

Why do you hate us, it should be the other way around. muslims get so much freedom in our countries. You can build mosques wherever you please, you can evangelize, you get your own schools and are allowed to wear religious garments, etc. If you want the christian world to actually take you guys seriously then how about a little freedom for the christians living in muslim countries who are constantly oppressed.

They hate us because we are not them. Muslims will use our freedoms, our laws, our sympathies to get what they want. Once they do and their numbers far exceed ours our laws and regulations will start to reflect their faith. It is inevitable, this is the way it has worked throughout the centuries in the middle east, and I dont see it changing for us simply because we are a western democracy. You can not placate them, they see this as a weakness and will quickly take advantage of these weaknesses. The more Moderate Muslims are at the mercy of their more radical counterparts. Moderate Muslims have no real voice in an Islamic state. You dont see moderate Muslims in Iran on a soap box denouncing what they see as a deteriorization of the calm and peace they want. So, even though we may say " Well its only a minority of Muslims that are radical" it is this minority which is setting the adgenda for the rest of their nation.

Moderate Muslims have no power.

 

[Booklover]

italianfriend:

Hi,
I’ve worked all over the planet (well…almost) for about 26 ys. as a Christian missionary, meeting and helping people from all walks of life, different religions and/or lack of them.
I would like to state that never have I met a Muslim who showed contempt and/or a lack of respect toward me and/or toward my faith. I cannot say the same of Westerners. (yeah, I know in the civilized West anything goes and people are ‘free’ to express themselves)
People from Africa, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudia Arabia and other Muslim countries were always polite and courteous.
While it is true that there are Muslim fundamentalists who are quick on the trigger (so to speak) it is also true that a lot of so-called "Christians’ are even worse than that.
They might not bomb embassies and blow themselves up to kill what they see as the enemy but this does not make them any better considering they resort to bombing entire poor countries with innocent women, children, elderly folks in the name of a God they don’t know.
It is a shame that while we condemn the Arab world as the biggest evil in all of history we forget (the "Christian’ West) to look into our own backyard and not just to the past but to the horrors that a so-called Christian country like America has commited against the poor and is still committing.
And while the Muslims might have an excuse for what they are doing since they are ‘pagans’ what’s the excuse for a Christian?
And why, instead of judging others and bunching them all up together, we as Christian preach a little less and live a little more the way Jesus did and try to love others with His unconditional love?
Now, I am not condoning violence. It is wrong. Period.
And I will go as far as to say that being violent has nothing to do with being a follower of the true Allah as it has nothing to do with being a Christian. I am in contact with Muslims from a few different countries. They are kind, polite, non-violent people and they do not bash me for believing that Jesus is the son of God.
Anyway, this is my personal experience and opinion.
I hope I made some sense.
God bless you

Hi! Welcome to the forums! These two posts were made by “Hadith”, a Muslim poster. What do you think of them?

“You are just now becoming aware of the lesser Jihad? This is why Islam is winning Europe. One day even Italy will be an Islamic nation and cut off funding for the Vatican, perhaps they will relocate.”

And:

“In a democratic land like Italy when we have more babies than the Italians do then we have more votes, yes? No? Of course yes. Then we will vote to cut off the pimple on the map of Rome and let it starve on the vine. No more money from the Islamic people of Italy. This is all peaceful yes? Then why is the above Christian saying we Muslims will be blown to bits?”

I’m assuming the “pimple” he talks about is the Vatican! I remember how angry I was when I read these comments!

I remember reading in a magazine an article that mentioned the story of an Arab servant who worked with some monks somewhere in the Middle East. They all liked each other and respected each other, but one day the Arab was given the order that he had to kill the monks, he went and told them what he had to do, that he would do it mercifully and did! What do you think of that? Muslims will do whatever they’re commanded and if that order is to kill the infidels, they will do it, no matter how polite and friendly they may have been, that is one of the reasons why I cannot trust them.

Vickie

 

[Wolseley]

I read on Yahoo that the leader of Hezbollah, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, made the statement that “We are an Islamic nation that cannot tolerate, be silent or be lax when they insult our prophet and sanctities…There can be no settlement before an apology and there can be no settlement before laws are legislated by the European Parliament and the parliaments of European countries.”

He went on to say that Islamic nations should demand “a law committing the press and the media in the West that proscribes insulting our prophet”.

In other words, Islam should demand (demand, mind you) that Western nations should abandon freedom of speech in order to not insult Muslims.

Well, guess what, Sheik? We’ll be happy to do that.

Just as soon as Islamic nations open up their borders to Christian missionaries, assure complete freedom of religion, banish all forms of dhimmitude, refuse to extract “nonbelievers” taxes, and cease any and all persecution of Christians and other religious groups in the entire Muslim world.

Those are OUR demands. You meet those first, and then we’ll talk about press censorship.

“Islamic nations should demand a law”. Holy Michael and good St. Joseph, what planet are these people in contact with???

 

[DaveBj]

Hashi Al-Eritre:

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I think you should first learn the life of the Prophet Mohammed before making such a judgement. I can give u too many examples from his life that would illustrate the opposite of what youve just said about him. Actually, his way was to pardon those who defamed, insulted and harmed him.

snip

The pulling out of the sword that I mentioned was a reference to the actions of Muslims today, not a reference to the teachings of Muhammad himself (with which I am familiar, having been a Middle East analyst with an agency of the federal government). Muhammad’s teachings on forgiveness, such as they are, are completely irrelevant as long as Muslims are calling for the heads of those who express differing opinions.

If one is going to live in a multicultural, multireligious world, then one must expect to meet disagreement and insult at various points during his life, and one should be taught by his religion to meet those times with grace and forgiveness.

If one is going to say, “We are right and you are not allowed to express any contrary opinion,” then one should be prepared for a long and bloody war.

DaveBj

 

[italianfriend]

Hi Vicky,

I am not defending Islam and I am not saying I agree with the way some of the Muslims act. But there is more to all that’s been portrayed in the media than meets the eye. A lot more.
I don’t think Islam is going to take over Italy but of course you never know. I also didn’t say I agree with all that the Muslim guy wrote. I wanted to reply to some folks who lump all Muslims together.
There is a lot of hype in the media about those cartoons, a dirty move to antagonize the already angry Arab world and/or give it an excuse to get mighty upset, sort of like waving a red flag in front of a bull.
Iraq is still an open wound in the hearts of many and now the “masters of war” are playing with their European puppets and leading the world into a big mess. Politics and old pre war- propaganda strategy. Nothing new under the sun.
As Christians we can’t allow ourselves to follow the ‘crowd’ and let fear and hatred creep in.
Am I a fool to believe this?I will let God decide.
I also wanted to add that there are Christians who lose their lives at the hand of their enemies, it’s part of living the Christian faith.
There are also many others out there who follow orders to stamp out Christianity and Christians, no matter what the cost, and they are not Muslims.
So let us be vigilant.
God bless you

 

[inJESUS]

Hi Vicky,

I am not defending Islam and I am not saying I agree with the way some of the Muslims act. But there is more to all that’s been portrayed in the media than meets the eye. A lot more.
I don’t think Islam is going to take over Italy but of course you never know. I also didn’t say I agree with all that the Muslim guy wrote. I wanted to reply to some folks who lump all Muslims together.

muslims in italy do not integrate; do not speak the language…chiamano puttane le ragazze italiane…tanti non vogliono vedere la croce- odiono i christiani…hanno bisogno di un po piu di tempo per avere un bel potere in Italia…hanno gia comminciato a Milano…fanno schifo se solo li senti parlare contro i christiani…Francia ha gia 12%, poi germania ecc…poi l’italia…peggio ancora e’ che non ce piu religione in italia…ce soltanto soldi, sesso, moda…che tristezza. Speriamo bene comunque.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

inJESUS:

muslims in italy do not integrate; do not speak the language…chiamano puttane le ragazze italiane…tanti non vogliono vedere la croce- odiono i christiani…hanno bisogno di un po piu di tempo per avere un bel potere in Italia…hanno gia comminciato a Milano…fanno schifo se solo li senti parlare contro i christiani…Francia ha gia 12%, poi germania ecc…poi l’italia…peggio ancora e’ che non ce piu religione in italia…ce soltanto soldi, sesso, moda…che tristezza. Speriamo bene comunque.

Crikey inJESUS… pls translate into english. After expert in arabic now you are expert in Italian LOL.

 

[italianfriend]

inJESUS:

muslims in italy do not integrate; do not speak the language…chiamano puttane le ragazze italiane…tanti non vogliono vedere la croce- odiono i christiani…hanno bisogno di un po piu di tempo per avere un bel potere in Italia…hanno gia comminciato a Milano…fanno schifo se solo li senti parlare contro i christiani…Francia ha gia 12%, poi germania ecc…poi l’italia…peggio ancora e’ che non ce piu religione in italia…ce soltanto soldi, sesso, moda…che tristezza. Speriamo bene comunque.

You’re right, it’s pretty much the same the world over.
It’s a sign of the times: great falling away and the love of many waxing cold + ‘evil men waxing worse, seducing and being seduced’.
let’s keep the faith and have convictions for what we believe in.

 

[inJESUS]

italianfriend:

inJESUS:

You’re right, it’s pretty much the same the world over.
It’s a sign of the times: great falling away and the love of many waxing cold + ‘evil men waxing worse, seducing and being seduced’.
let’s keep the faith and have convictions for what we believe in.

Correct and Amen…still yet, you must do something to stop these people…una terra santa, keep it as such

 

[inJESUS]

Cyber Knight:

inJESUS:

Crikey inJESUS… pls translate into english. After expert in arabic now you are expert in Italian LOL.

heading towards Aramaic as well

 

[italianfriend]

inJESUS:

italianfriend:

…una terra santa,

L’unica terra santa che conosco e’ il Paradiso!
And you have to have admission there: a ticket paid by the Lamb!

 

[StMarkEofE]

Wolseley:

I read on Yahoo that the leader of Hezbollah, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, made the statement that “We are an Islamic nation that cannot tolerate, be silent or be lax when they insult our prophet and sanctities…There can be no settlement before an apology and there can be no settlement before laws are legislated by the European Parliament and the parliaments of European countries.”

He went on to say that Islamic nations should demand “a law committing the press and the media in the West that proscribes insulting our prophet”.

In other words, Islam should demand (demand, mind you) that Western nations should abandon freedom of speech in order to not insult Muslims.

Well, guess what, Sheik? We’ll be happy to do that.

Just as soon as Islamic nations open up their borders to Christian missionaries, assure complete freedom of religion, banish all forms of dhimmitude, refuse to extract “nonbelievers” taxes, and cease any and all persecution of Christians and other religious groups in the entire Muslim world.

Those are OUR demands. You meet those first, and then we’ll talk about press censorship.

“Islamic nations should demand a law”. Holy Michael and good St. Joseph, what planet are these people in contact with???

No no , not fair, only the Muslims can make demands not Christians. Lets get it right huh?