Reform or Revolt?

[MaryRose35]

You are correct. The way the editing was done does make it seem like there are no pauses between lines. It’s a straw dog argument.

Those who prefer the new Mass (with all its abuses) to the Old (which is aomost abuse free) always try to find something wrong with the Old Mass. Since it is usually done very reverently, all they can do is claim that some Priests say the prayers to fast. Is this the only complaint they can find? Not bad compared to what takes place on a regular basis in the New Mas.

For those who have probably never been to a Traditional Mass, yet complain that the Priests say the Old Mass in Latin to fast, I sure hope they say their Rosary very slowly, always pausing for each comma, or they are hypocrites.

It is also worth noting that the Latin language is a fast sounding language. Consider how fast Spanish sounds to Americans. Latin, which is similar to spanish, also sounds fast. That is just a peculiarity of the language.

Also, if you compare the prayers of the Latin Mass along side the English translation in the missal, you will notice that often the Latin prayers are much shorter. What I mean is, it takes fewer words to say the prayer in Latin that it does in English.

I think those who complain about the speed that some Priests say the Latin Mass are simply looking for anything to complain about in that Mass to justify the many abuses in the New Mass.

But this might be interesting. ** In the video we are discussing, I wonder if the Priest who says the New Mass pauses for each comma, when he says “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”, like Rand Al Thor complained about in the Old Mass? Or if he says the words without a pause between them? Maybe someone can look for that when they view the video. I bet he doesn’t pause, but runs the words together. **

If this is so, why didn’t Rand Al Thor complain about the Priest not pausing in the Novus Ordo Mass? The answer is obvious.

 

[whosebob]

You are correct. The way the editing was done does make it seem like there are no pauses between lines. It’s a straw dog argument.

JMJ + OBT​

Actually, no, the priest was offering Low Mass at the spoken “tempo” which I understand is typical of FSSP priests. You can watch an entire Low Mass celebrated in this manner, filmed by the same man:

Traditional Latin Low Mass: Feast of the Transfiguration

I’ve heard priests offer the prayers even more rapidly, e.g. at Clear Creek Benedictine Monastery in Oklahoma (Tridentine community, non-schismatic).

In both cases it’s not a matter of irreverence, it’s just a way of going about liturgy with which many of us are unfamiliar. I attended the Divine Liturgy at an Antiochan Orthodox parish in my home town this past Sunday; the priest recited many of the prayers at a speed which was intelligible and clear to native English speakers, but which I imagine would have sounded to non-English speakers like the Latin prayers of the priest in question: “smushed together,” without regard to punctuation, etc.

In Christ.

IC XC NIKA

 

[CathMass]

I just didn’t like the whole referencing to hand missals. they made it seem like it was a bad thing to allow. I think it would have been better to leave out the hand missals of just barely mention it.

 

[demerzel85]

I just didn’t like the whole referencing to hand missals. they made it seem like it was a bad thing to allow. I think it would have been better to leave out the hand missals of just barely mention it.

I would think of this rather as being truthful of what was actually going on in those times. The Church is a alive and as such there is organic development.