Reforming the Church from within

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I’ve spent some time reflecting on the SSPX/Rome business, and there was something that was poking around the back my head. I couldn’t quite place it until this evening.

I moved to Eastern Ontario in the summer of 2000. After a couple of years, I met up with some Catholic folks who were doing a summer mission within the city. It was through those people I occasionally attended St. Mary’s Catholic Church, the home base of a little group called the Companions of the Cross. Their founder, Father Robert Bedard, went through the process of getting his group installed as a Society of Apostolic Life. In 2002, at Notre Dame Cathedral, they celebrated this event. I was there for the event, in person.

I met Father Bob a few times before and after that event. A holy and humble man. If there was anyone around here who could brag a bit, surely it’s someone who founded a Society of Apostolic Life of pontifical right. But he didn’t brag, instead he gave God the glory. His favorite expression was “give God permission!”, which he extorted people to do.

There was a stretch of time a few years later I hit a rough patch. Namely; I stopped goign to Confession and receiving the Eucharist. I went to Mass every Sunday, but refused to receive. Simply put; I didn’t think I should go to Confession if I wasn’t sorry for what I did. And without Confession, I’m under mortal sin. So no Eucharist. At Mass I would literally only say “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you”, and didn’t finish the rest. I simply didn’t believe that I could be healed, so why say it?

I said this to my roommates, of who I was in a share group with. One of the guys (now in the Diocesan seminary) went out and set up a one-on-one meeting between myself and Father Bob. We met for an hour or two, and we talked about my struggles. Among other things he mentioned to me “the fact you’ve though it out this much means you actually are sorry and repentful for what you’re doing, you’re just angry at yourself and this is how you’re punishing yourself for your own actions. You don’t know how to repent right now, but you are repentful. Besides, if you weren’t sorry why go to Mass every week?”. We talked a bit more, about a few things. He listened, gave me some advice and spiritual direction.

He didn’t have to see me, but he did. I wasn’t a part of his parish. The man was a busy fellow. He founded and ran a Society, His health was starting to fail a bit. he was writing a book, gave talks, helped with formation. He was all over the place doing things. But he still made time for me.

A few more years passed, and eventually Father Bob began suffering from dementia. It was a slow process, and eventually he was in the hospital long term. Father Robert Bedard (CC) passed away a few months ago. His funeral was at the same Cathedral where they celebrated his Society back in 2002. He’s with the Lord now, likely informing Jesus Christ that Jesus has the permission to tell Father Bob whatever Jesus wants him to do. His Society now runs five parishes in my diocese, including my own. He’s impacted several lives.

If you look at the four pillars of the Companions, you see: Eucharistic, Marian, Magisterial, and Charismatic. That’s right, charismatic. Now, I’m well aware there’s a ban in talking about the charismatic renewal in this section. However I bring it up now for an important point; this is one of the four pillars of the Society. It’s an important aspect of the Society. Father Bob went through the lengthy approval process with Rome, and got the statutes for the Society approved, including that aspect. There was some back and forward between him and Rome, and Rome then sent the approval. Everything was signed, sealed and delivered.

I witnessed this all happening. I saw it unfold. They did (and still do) everything by the book, and Father Bob was rewarded. This diocese was, and still is, rewarded. They run five parishes, do countless events at the diocesan center, several different aposolates, run theology programs, incredibly active in the pro-life movement. They even celebrated a chanted Mass ad-orientem not too long ago, if I recall correctly. They’re a solid group of people.

What bothers me, is that I knew this man. And I know several people on this board would call this man into question. They’ll raise His Grace Lefebvre as a hero, as a Saint, despite his questionable actions. They will raise up the SSPX as a bastion of greatness, Yet ignore or chastise the Companions without even meeting them, and call into question their founder. Their founder who did it all by the book, who followed the rules. Their founder who enacted change within the Church, revitalized the Catholic community here in Ottawa, the man who inspired others to found their own aposolates.

Seeing this man in action, seeing him found his Society, seeing him do everything within the Church. I guess that what makes the SSPX situation a bit of a sore point with me sometimes. Not only did my heroes Dominic and Francis affect change and founded their orders while staying within the Church, but a Society which was founded in my city, and the founder whom I met with, did it that way too. Looking at those three, that’s how I see how things should be done. based on all of that, there’s little wonder why I disagree with the actions taken by members of the SSPX, including their founder.

Anyway, I’d like to extend an apology for the fine folks who associate themselves with the SSPX. If I’ve been harsh in the past, the above might shed some light into why I may have been a bit sharp at times. Tonight was the first time I actually compiled my thoughts on the matter. I’ll still provide my opinion in other threads, but I’ll make more of an effort to be charitable.

God bless, and may the Lord’s will be done regarding the reunion of all outside members of the Church.
 
As no one has yet replied, I just want to reply and say thanks for posting.
 
As no one has yet replied, I just want to reply and say thanks for posting.
Probably because no one can tell by the title what the post was about. If they knew it contained stuff about the SSPX, they’d be all over it. 😛
 
I’m well aware there’s a ban in talking about the charismatic renewal in this section.

Who said?

I don’t recall banning this subject?
 
I like the “Reforming the Church from Within” thread title much better. 👍
 
I’m well aware there’s a ban in talking about the charismatic renewal in this section.

Who said?

I don’t recall banning this subject?
So when something is banned by a moderator on another sub-forum it does not apply everywhere on CAF?

I started a thread on the Liturgy and Sacraments sub-forum about a healing mass I had attended and how I felt let down and how what they say about such things is a let down to those who are dealing with serious illness and it got closed down because of a ban on discussion of the Charismatic Movement. That was also a let down for me here on CAF.

If we are not allowed to discuss such things that impact our spiritual life then why have a forum at all?
 
Up to now, I have met 4 SSPX priests already. They look so holy and decent, just like princes, much better than all those Novus Ordo priests I saw before.

They never treat me differently from others, but they all treat me as their own daughter. They are real fathers! In their hearts there are fires of love burning.

But there problem with SSPX is that they are not within the church, and in this society there are indeed many unhealthy attitudes developing, which made me feel really bad. The devils kept attacking me, and I could not stand any more. May be it’s God’s will for me not to get closer to them?

I like their mass so much, but I can’t be that sentimental.

I sincerely hope they could be back to the church soon. Will keep praying for that. :highprayer:
 
Up to now, I have met 4 SSPX priests already. They look so holy and decent, just like princes, much better than all those Novus Ordo priests I saw before.
I’m sitting at my keyboard right now with my mouth slightly agape, wondering what to type in repsonse to this.

-Tim-
 
I’m sitting at my keyboard right now with my mouth slightly agape, wondering what to type in repsonse to this.

-Tim-
All I can come up with is “wow, what a kick in the — to all the holy ‘novus ordo’ priests I know”. Many of them very holy Benedictines but some very holy secular priests as well.

We have an expression in French… “l’habit ne fait pas le moine” (the habit does not make a monk).

All I can think of is to pray that her faith matures…
 
All I can come up with is “wow, what a kick in the — to all the holy ‘novus ordo’ priests I know”. Many of them very holy Benedictines but some very holy secular priests as well.

We have an expression in French… “l’habit ne fait pas le moine” (the habit does not make a monk).

All I can think of is to pray that her faith matures…
Why? She didn’t say anything about the priests you know, but the ones she’s consulted.

Are we obligated now to think that every priest everywhere is equally the best at everything?
 
Why? She didn’t say anything about the priests you know, but the ones she’s consulted.

Are we obligated now to think that every priest everywhere is equally the best at everything?
Nope. That’s why we should avoid sweeping statements by using quantifiers(?) like the word “all” which puppy99 used.

But in fairness to puppy99, i think she has this innocent tendency to give out generalizations, which she does every now and then against both sides. 🙂
 
Nope. That’s why we should avoid sweeping statements by using quantifiers(?) like the word “all” which puppy99 used.
In puppy99’s defense, the quantifier was not “all” but “all … I saw before.” I.e., in her experience, the SSPX priests have been uniformly better than the (presumably) secular priests she’d theretofore encountered.
 
In puppy99’s defense, the quantifier was not “all” but “all … I saw before.” I.e., in her experience, the SSPX priests have been uniformly better than the (presumably) secular priests she’d theretofore encountered.
True. But I guess the issue that Tim and OraLabora have been trying to push is beyond the vestments. 🙂
 
I’m well aware there’s a ban in talking about the charismatic renewal in this section.

Who said?

I don’t recall banning this subject?
It’s banned in L&S, for the time being anyway. I said “this section” because I got the sections confused, my bad! And thank you for changing the thread title, which I obviously didn’t put as much thought into as I did the rest of the post.
As no one has yet replied, I just want to reply and say thanks for posting.
Thank you kindly!
 
In puppy99’s defense, the quantifier was not “all” but “all … I saw before.” I.e., in her experience, the SSPX priests have been uniformly better than the (presumably) secular priests she’d theretofore encountered.
I just do not see how any one can determine the “holiness” of any priest when their interaction with them is most likely very limited.

Also, how do we define what a “holy priest” is?

I think all priests should be treated with respect. It is not our place to judge the “holiness” of any individual.
 
I just do not see how any one can determine the “holiness” of any priest when their interaction with them is most likely very limited.

Also, how do we define what a “holy priest” is?

I think all priests should be treated with respect. It is not our place to judge the “holiness” of any individual.
I agree completely.

I will add however, that I can understand what puppy99 is talking about.

I have fond memories of the parish priests of my childhood, but when I first encountered a cassock-wearing, traditionally-minded priest who radiated the authority of his vocation, I was blown away. He didn’t want to be my buddy, he wanted to be my shepard.

For the record he was a diocesan priest who, to my knowledge, didn’t know the TLM.

EDIT: actually, now I know that he offers both forms.
 
Nice post, Melchior. I was somewhat familiar with the Companions of the Cross because a former pastor of mine transferred from diocesan priesthood to join them. I was just reading about the death of Fr. Bedard the other day. You must experience this as a personal loss. My condolences.

I found your post interesting, but I also think it can serve as a model to many of us. We need to examine ourselves to understand where our emotional responses to these various issues are coming from. Often our gut reactions are rooted in our past experiences and self-awareness can help us to interact better with others.
 
Nice post, Melchior. I was somewhat familiar with the Companions of the Cross because a former pastor of mine transferred from diocesan priesthood to join them.
Thank you for the compliment. And the odds are probably pretty good I know your old pastor 🙂
I was just reading about the death of Fr. Bedard the other day. You must experience this as a personal loss. My condolences.
Thank you once more. He certainly helped me out during a difficult time. The fact that it was a slow and gradual death may have actually have been a blessing, as not only could he show a great example of what it means to be pro-life and die with dignity (ie; hanging on until the very end), but it also allowed the Society to get their affairs in order for establishing how things will run in Father Bob’s absence.
I found your post interesting, but I also think it can serve as a model to many of us. We need to examine ourselves to understand where our emotional responses to these various issues are coming from. Often our gut reactions are rooted in our past experiences and self-awareness can help us to interact better with others.
I think what struck it with me is not only do I study and try to follow the example of two men who stuck with the Church during dark times, but even in a very direct way I see the legacy of a man who also followed their example. Looking at that objectively, of course I’m going to be inherently biased that the method those three men (and their Sons & Daughters) used to reform the Church. There’s nothing wrong with having a bias of course, provided that charity and objectivity are still present.
 
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