Refugee children

[seagal]

Just saw this on Facebook

If you think fertilized eggs are people but refugee kids aren’t, you’re going to have to stop pretending your concerns are religious.

I’m assuming this is referring to the refugee kids escaping from the extreme violence in their own countries and illegally crossing the border into the US. My first thought was Wait a minute, I don’t know any pro-life people who would oppose helping refugee kids. But then, I don’t live in the US. Is this kind of hypocritical thinking prevalent? Or is someone erecting a straw man?

 

[sw85]

Just saw this on Facebook

I’m assuming this is referring to the refugee kids escaping from the extreme violence in their own countries and illegally crossing the border into the US. My first thought was Wait a minute, I don’t know any pro-life people who would oppose helping refugee kids. But then, I don’t live in the US. Is this kind of hypocritical thinking prevalent? Or is someone erecting a straw man?

People need to stop conflating “refugees” with “immigrants.” They are distinct. Refugees can be taken in temporarily until arrangements can be made for them to return safely home.

We can deal with the influx of Mexican children as refugees, taking care of them until they can be safely returned home, without making immigrants out of them – and objecting to the idea of making immigrants out of them does not mean refusing to care for them.

 

[SecretGarden]

When it comes to this quote, it would be great if you could provide us with the link, the title, and the source because without it, this conversation could go in so many different directions. Furthermore it is impossible to give a constructive feedback because we don’t know the context of this statement.

Context and source is always important when asking us to provide our feedback and opinions.

 

[seagal]

When it comes to this quote, it would be great if you could provide us with the link, the title, and the source because without it, this conversation could go in so many different directions. Furthermore it is impossible to give a constructive feedback because we don’t know the context of this statement.

Context and source is always important when asking us to provide our feedback and opinions.

The source is simply a FB page called God with lots of bumper sticker type slogans designed to make Christians look hypocritical and/or silly.

My question is about the criticism behind it and whether it’s based on any real news stories about Christians protesting allowing refugee children into the country. Has there been a huge outcry about admitting refugee children?

 

[St_Francis]

In the US, conservatives tend to be concerned about illegal immigration. Conservatives also tend to be more serious (in terms of attending Mass or Protestant services) about their faith. Atheists and non-Mass-attending Catholics tend to be liberal or progressive, which are those less likely to have a problem with illegal immigration.

For the most part, conservatives are concerned about the problems surrounding illegal immigration, and would like to see it seriously addressed by actions such as building a fence. Liberals want to reform our (legal) immigration policies. Conservatives want the “fixing of the border” to be addressed *before *immigration reform; liberals have previous broken promises to address the border issues after X was done with conservative help.

So now the conservatives see that 10s of 1000s of “unaccomapnied minors” are coming. They need to be treated with care, but adequately caring for a sudden influx of 10s of 1000s of children is really difficult. And the future of these children is also difficult to foresee. The children who are on their way or planning to undertake this trip are facing very great dangers.

So, the conservativves for the most part think it would be a good idea to immediately send the children back to their home countries, which would discourage those who are thinking of coming here illegally. The liberals, however, pull an emotional appeal by acting as if they think this means the conservatves don’t want to care for the children and/or don’t think the children are people, which is why the person mentioned in the OP made the comment relating these children to victims of abortion. It’s one of their usual tactics, nothing to be alarmed about.

 

[seagal]

In the US, conservatives tend to be concerned about illegal immigration. Conservatives also tend to be more serious (in terms of attending Mass or Protestant services) about their faith. Atheists and non-Mass-attending Catholics tend to be liberal or progressive, which are those less likely to have a problem with illegal immigration.

For the most part, conservatives are concerned about the problems surrounding illegal immigration, and would like to see it seriously addressed by actions such as building a fence. Liberals want to reform our (legal) immigration policies. Conservatives want the “fixing of the border” to be addressed *before *immigration reform; liberals have previous broken promises to address the border issues after X was done with conservative help.

So now the conservatives see that 10s of 1000s of “unaccomapnied minors” are coming. They need to be treated with care, but adequately caring for a sudden influx of 10s of 1000s of children is really difficult. And the future of these children is also difficult to foresee. The children who are on their way or planning to undertake this trip are facing very great dangers.

So, the conservativves for the most part think it would be a good idea to immediately send the children back to their home countries, which would discourage those who are thinking of coming here illegally. The liberals, however, pull an emotional appeal by acting as if they think this means the conservatves don’t want to care for the children and/or don’t think the children are people, which is why the person mentioned in the OP made the comment relating these children to victims of abortion. It’s one of their usual tactics, nothing to be alarmed about.

Thanks for that analysis St. Francis. I’m not politically adept or inclined, so this helps explain both sides of the issue.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Just saw this on Facebook

I’m assuming this is referring to the refugee kids escaping from the extreme violence in their own countries and illegally crossing the border into the US. My first thought was Wait a minute, I don’t know any pro-life people who would oppose helping refugee kids. But then, I don’t live in the US. Is this kind of hypocritical thinking prevalent? Or is someone erecting a straw man?

It’s a distraction that the American left uses against pro-lifers in order to give the impression that if one is pro-life, one also must support government subsidizes for single, unwed pregnant women or else they are just picking and choosing who they care about.

To some extent they also do it because they want there to be no debate about securing the borders since their political lifeline is increasingly dependent on Hispanics.

It’s exactly the kind of one-dimensional thinking based on emotions that I’ve come to expect from certain individuals.

In general one can sense the desperation of the American left when it clamps to an issue like this and starts making excuses.

BTW, I’d like to know what the author of that facebook comment is doing to help those kids.

I know that Mercury One, which is right-wing radio host Glenn Beck’s organization as well as Catholic Charities are on the front lines helping these folks out.

A lot of times American liberals will say they “care” but expect anyone and everyone else to do the heavy lifting. :yup:

 

[Hobbes42]

It’s a distraction that the American left uses against pro-lifers in order to give the impression that if one is pro-life, one also must support government subsidizes for single, unwed pregnant women or else they are just picking and choosing who they care about.

To some extent they also do it because they want there to be no debate about securing the borders since their political lifeline is increasingly dependent on Hispanics.

It’s exactly the kind of one-dimensional thinking based on emotions that I’ve come to expect from certain individuals.

In general one can sense the desperation of the American left when it clamps to an issue like this and starts making excuses.

BTW, I’d like to know what the author of that facebook comment is doing to help those kids.

I know that Mercury One, which is right-wing radio host Glenn Beck’s organization as well as Catholic Charities are on the front lines helping these folks out.

A lot of times American liberals will say they “care” but expect anyone and everyone else to do the heavy lifting. :yup:

Glenn Beck cannot, in his charity, be used as an example of those on the right or conservatives. Glenn has been attacked viciously by the right precisely because of the help he is providing. There are those on the right who prefer that these folks be shot rather than helping them out.

 

[St_Francis]

Glenn Beck cannot, in his charity, be used as an example of those on the right or conservatives. Glenn has been attacked viciously by the right precisely because of the help he is providing. There are those on the right who prefer that these folks be shot rather than helping them out.

FWIW, I’d say few conservatives think this. Most would rather see the children helped and them sent home to their own countries.

And aside from the politics, we are basically sending tens of thousands of children to people who have not been checked out. A child shows up and says, my parents said for me to go stay with my aunt, and we send the child to this person.

Considering that we have so many foster parents who turn out to be… not good for the foster children, despite having been checked out and trained, I really worry about just sending these children off to unknown adults, of whom we are unable to keep track as many are here illegally themselves. And there are other problems…

 

[BornInMarch]

Just saw this on Facebook

I’m assuming this is referring to the refugee kids escaping from the extreme violence in their own countries and illegally crossing the border into the US. My first thought was Wait a minute, I don’t know any pro-life people who would oppose helping refugee kids. But then, I don’t live in the US. Is this kind of hypocritical thinking prevalent? Or is someone erecting a straw man?

Refugee’s are different from illegal immigrants, because they’re fleeing not from poverty but from human rights abuses. If Mexico was in a decade long civil war for example, than the immigrants would qualify as refugees.
Apart from that, not all pro-life people oppose letting illegal immigrants stay. The poster is just putting up a straw man.

 

[seagal]

Refugee’s are different from illegal immigrants, because they’re fleeing not from poverty but from human rights abuses. If Mexico was in a decade long civil war for example, than the immigrants would qualify as refugees.
Apart from that, not all pro-life people oppose letting illegal immigrants stay. The poster is just putting up a straw man.

Exactly what I told him. He didn’t see it that way and we had a bit of a discussion during which, true to form, he threw up several more straw men and then quit.