Refugees From Socialist Countries

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“The millionaires, and anyone that was rich, were ‘the enemy of people’ in Venezuela,” Elizabeth Rogliani, a young woman who left Venezuela for America in 2008 and lives in Florida, said of her former country

Rogliani says she sees a parallel in politicians’ frequent attacks on “millionaires and billionaires.”

“Division between the classes was something that Hugo Chavez wanted – to make sure that poorer sectors of society hated anyone that was wealthy,” she said.

Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez often declared that being rich is bad

Nicaragua

Several Latin American countries have seen an exodus of people fleeing to escape socialism. Nicaragua is one.

“What we see now has all the same characteristics as I saw there … violence, looting, damaging private property,” Roberto Bendana

Bendana left Nicaragua after revolutionary socialists took power in 1981 and confiscated his father’s coffee farm.

“Even the flags! The protesters here in the U.S. are using the red and black flags,” Bendana said, noting Nicaraguan socialist revolutionaries used the same colors.

Cuba

More than a million Cubans have fled to the U.S. since Fidel Castro came to power in 1959. Among them was Maximo Alvarez.

“I heard the promises of Fidel Castro and I can never forget all those who grew up around me … who suffered and starved and died because they believed those empty promises,” he said in his GOP convention speech in August.

“You can still hear the sounds of those broken promises. It is the sound of waves in the ocean carrying families clinging to pieces of wood. It is the sound of tears hitting the paper of an application to become an American citizen,” he added.
China

Lily Tang Williams, an immigrant from China who lives in New Hampshire, personally experienced Chairman Mao’s economic policies and “Cultural Revolution.”

She says she sees parallels with the unrest in American cities today.

“The riots, looters, destruction of properties, it’s so familiar. It’s scary to me because I went through that,” she said. “The people who attack small businesses in cities – you see them take private property, and they say, ‘we deserve this. This is reparations.’ And it’s just – this is the Marxist way. It’s an excuse at the barrel of a gun.”

Recently, protesters in D.C. accosted people at a restaurant and demanded they raise their fist in support of their cause; those who declined were harassed.

Tang Williams took aim at the “silence is violence” concept.

“You cannot even keep silence. You have to publicly agree with them. It’s fundamentally not American,” she said . “The tactics they use are very Marxist and communist. They did this in China. Everybody had to be PC.”

Tang Williams claimed that some Americans were falling for socialism only because they haven’t lived through it.

“People here are allowed to peacefully protest. The protesters do not appreciate the freedom they have in this country. … They have not suffered from hunger, real poverty,” she said.

 
Now is the time for the judgment of God a time for uniting for a cause. One Nation UNDER GOD.
 
What would the mechanism be for America to become “socialist?” The rioters in the streets are not going to seize power.
 
I have a Cuban friend who does not like Trump, but she fears Biden/Harris. She does see socialism with that ticket. And she does not watch news in English.
 
What would the mechanism be for America to become “socialist?” The rioters in the streets are not going to seize power.
No, but the political party that supports them and funds Antifa could seize power. Are you an American? Did you read the article?
 
I’m not, and I didn’t. I have read lots of articles that are essentially the same thing.
No, but the political party that supports them and funds Antifa could seize power.
Obama was president for 8 years and there wasn’t mass migration away from the country. I doubt his former Vice President is going to destroy it.
 
Obama was president for 8 years and there wasn’t mass migration away from the country. I doubt his former Vice President is going to destroy it.
For my entire life I have heard the same every four years. I could time my life based on when hysterical, unsupportable, accusations that Democrats will make the country a socialist paradise ramp up.

It’s indefensible hysteria. Perhaps if Biden or Harris were socialists it would mean something, but they are as far away from socialists as Trump.
 
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Obama was president for 8 years and there wasn’t mass migration away from the country. I doubt his former Vice President is going to destroy it.
A lot has changed since then and Biden has changed too. I take it you have not read the Biden-Sanders Manifesto.
I’m not, and I didn’t. I have read lots of articles that are essentially the same thing.
Give this one a shot and tell me what you think. This is different because it is testimony from real people who lived in Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, and China.
 
It’s indefensible hysteria. Perhaps if Biden or Harris were socialists it would mean something, but they are as far away from socialists as Trump.
Really? 😃 So, if we compare their policy proposals and ideologies of Biden-Harris would be similar to Trump-Pence and therefore not socialist? Oh then lets just flip a coin and not have an election since they are pretty much the same on the socialism scale. Please read the testimony of the people in the article and tell me what you think.
 
So, if we compare their policy proposals and ideologies of Biden-Harris would be similar to Trump-Pence and therefore not socialist?
I was not aware that Biden wants government control of the means of production, and to establish a classless society.
 
I was not aware that Biden wants government control of the means of production, and to establish a classless society.
That’s pure communism which outside of North Korea and Cuba is widely considered to be a failed ideology. But, socialism is something else entirely. Surely you know the difference.
 
socialism is something else entirely. Surely you know the difference.
Not according to my dictionary:

Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
 
A lot has changed since then and Biden has changed too. I take it you have not read the Biden-Sanders Manifesto.
What about it is so scary?
Give this one a shot and tell me what you think. This is different because it is testimony from real people who lived in Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, and China.
I read the article. It is exactly like all of the ones I have read before (they’re always by people who “fled” those countries). None of the people interviewed are normal people, and that can be confirmed through a bit of googling. Elizabeth Rogliani is a right-wing activist (though the article sort of acknowledges this), Lily Tang Williams is a libertarian “grassroots activist” who has ran to be a senator before and is involved in lots of libertarian political groups, and Maximo Alvarez is a businessman who uses his experience of “socialism” and “totalitarianism” in Cuba to help campaign against tax increases that don’t even seem to be related.
 
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For my entire life I have heard the same every four years. I could time my life based on when hysterical, unsupportable, accusations that Democrats will make the country a socialist paradise ramp up.
as a Canadian friend of mine says, " America is more of a socialist country than Canada"

people just ignore the shift towards socialism.
 
None of the people interviewed are normal people
They are normal people. Maximo Alvarez for example is a self-made man but that doesn’t make him abnormal. You seem to think that their jobs or belief systems somehow discredits the truth of their claims about their experiences in their former home countries. Do you really think that their backgrounds and jobs disqualifies them from speaking the truth about their former countries?
 
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