Refuse Jesus as my saviour?

[littleone]

Am I right if I say that
The greatest sin is not to have killed many men, but it is, to refuse to accept that Jesus died for my sins, therefore I can live without Him.

( I know I can’t)

 

[water]

Am I right if I say that
The greatest sin is not to have killed many men, but it is, to refuse to accept that Jesus died for my sins, therefore I can live without Him.

( I know I can’t)

and this:
Lk 12:10 And everyone who shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blaspheme against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven.

However, if one thinks he goes to the church every Sunday, he would be alright, then he must read this verse:
Rel 3:16: So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

 

[littleone]

Yes I did think about that and I know it is biblical that it is against the Spirit of God that is the geatest sin.
The thought on my mind was driven by a person who said to me “Well I don’t need Jesus He’s only for sinners”. I was so saddened and thought how wrong he is, that He thinks He can do without Jesus who is the only way to our Father in Heaven.
I guess the sin of presumption and pride are how tha person related to me.

 

[jimmy]

I actually heard a statement in one of my classes that was something like what you said. I will have to try to figure out what it was.

 

[littleone]

Yes this situation realy saddend me and I thought you don’t know what ou are saying. And obviously you don’t know what ou have to loose.
Sosad.
But then I just thought maybe that is just what Jesus wanted to happen so that I would pray for the persom? quite probably
God bless the Lord…

 

[trogiah]

Am I right if I say that
The greatest sin is not to have killed many men, but it is, to refuse to accept that Jesus died for my sins, therefore I can live without Him.

( I know I can’t)

Please consider a re-evalution of what you believe is the greatest sin.

I do believe that there are greater sins than murder and that those sins have to do with one’s relationship to God. But the sin that the Pharisees committed which prompted Jesus to say “Sins against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven” was not simply that they refused to accept Jesus.

Their sin was this:
They looked at Jesus, at the works he accomplished and the words he spoke (and they heard it first-hand, not through 2000 years of traditions/interpretations/and other possible distortions) and they said “He has an evil spirit” thus clearly indicating that they had totally missed the point of the Jewish faith of which they were leaders.

The person you mention is guilty of something (and I don’t pretend that it isn’t serious) but I don’t think the sin of pride that you have indicated is quite the same as the one Jesus was referring to.

peace

Jim

 

[Damascus]

The audacity of it all! If your friend claims Jesus is only for sinners so he does not need Jesus., he is saying he is SIN FREE!!!
I’ll bet he doesn’t think Mary was and yet HE is?

This man is mocking you. He knows he is a sinner. Ask him if he is sin free then why didn’t he end up on a cross to save mankind yet?

I think you need to avoid logic with this guy. He is beyond that. Just pray for him and shake your sandals off and steer clear of his heresy.

 

[Viki59]

The audacity of it all! If your friend claims Jesus is only for sinners so he does not need Jesus., he is saying he is SIN FREE!!!
This man is mocking you. He knows he is a sinner. .

I think that’s a little harsh. I took my son to confession the other week, and afterwards he told me he didn’t need to go, as he hadn’t committed any sins lately. (This from a kid who is far from perfect, IMHO) But he hadn’t hit anybody (except his sister) or murdered anybody or stolen anything much, so he thought he was sinless.
Perhaps the man in question is thinking of grandiose sins, not attitudes, or thoughts, or maybe he doesn’t know much about the whole subject. I can remember asking a pastor what sins the paralyzed man could possibly have committed, that Jesus had to forgive him of. Maybe this guy’s just ignorant like I was.
I expect God will enlighten him one of these days.

 

[littleone]

***Please consider a re-evalution of what you believe is the greatest sin.

I do believe that there are greater sins than murder and that those sins have to do with one’s relationship to God. ***

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But the sin that the Pharisees committed which prompted Jesus to say “Sins against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven” was not simply that they refused to accept Jesus.

Their sin was this:
They looked at Jesus, at the works he accomplished and the words he spoke (and they heard it first-hand, not through 2000 years of traditions/interpretations/and other possible distortions) and they said “He has an evil spirit” thus clearly indicating that they had totally missed the point of the Jewish faith of which they were leaders.

The person you mention is guilty of something (and I don’t pretend that it isn’t serious) but I don’t think the sin of pride that you have indicated is quite the same as the one Jesus was referring to.

peace

Jim

If you look at what I wrote I said that the gratest sin is NOT to have murderd x amount of men.
I know what it is but in this instant as he was saying it I was shocked, I never thought I would hear those words.
His inference i believe, was that he’s all right he in not a sinner/

 

[Damascus]

Vicki, I have seriously never in my life heard of anyone thinking they had never sinned or can not sin in the course of any given day! Not a matter of being harsh- its just too hard to grasp that concept- never heard it even from my atheiest aquaintences- this must be some new concept- I mean no offense here but I have a hard time believing it in this day and age of technology that someone whould be totally clueless on such a thing!

I think that’s a little harsh. I took my son to confession the other week, and afterwards he told me he didn’t need to go, as he hadn’t committed any sins lately. (This from a kid who is far from perfect, IMHO) But he hadn’t hit anybody (except his sister) or murdered anybody or stolen anything much, so he thought he was sinless.
Perhaps the man in question is thinking of grandiose sins, not attitudes, or thoughts, or maybe he doesn’t know much about the whole subject. I can remember asking a pastor what sins the paralyzed man could possibly have committed, that Jesus had to forgive him of. Maybe this guy’s just ignorant like I was.
I expect God will enlighten him one of these days.

 

[trogiah]

If you look at what I wrote I said that the gratest sin is NOT to have murderd x amount of men.
I know what it is but in this instant as he was saying it I was shocked, I never thought I would hear those words.
His inference i believe, was that he’s all right he in not a sinner/

When I first wrote that murder was not the greatest sin I intended that to be an agreement with what you said in the first place. I think I was jumping around in my thoughts a little when I typed them out.

What I was trying to state was actually in response to the person who quoted Luke about "blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

While I do believe your friend has a problem in his relationship with God I don’t think it is the same problem (or quite as serious) as the problem Jesus was addressing in that quote from Luke.

I think this is what I was trying to say:

Saying

“I don’t need Jesus and I don’t accept that he died for me”

is serious but not as serious as saying

“Jesus was possessed by an evil spirit”

which is what the Pharisees said just before the quote from Luke.

Jim

 

[littleone]

When I first wrote that murder was not the greatest sin I intended that to be an agreement with what you said in the first place. I think I was jumping around in my thoughts a little when I typed them out.

What I was trying to state was actually in response to the person who quoted Luke about "blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

While I do believe your friend has a problem in his relationship with God I don’t think it is the same problem (or quite as serious) as the problem Jesus was addressing in that quote from Luke.
I think this is what I was trying to say:

Saying
“I don’t need Jesus and I don’t accept that he died for me”
is serious but not as serious as saying
Jesus was possessed by an evil spirit"
which is what the Pharisees said just before the quote from Luke.

Jim

There is no problem there Jim, I am probably the worst person to do just what you have related. Have a blessed day or night as it may be over there.
God bless.
P.S.
My friend who said that is an Indian (India), and he has much to say speaks in spead and has a tendancy to wish to be right on most occasions, although not suggesting any religion for himself, at present.
God bless.

 

[littleone]

Vicki, I have seriously never in my life heard of anyone thinking they had never sinned or can not sin in the course of any given day! Not a matter of being harsh- its just too hard to grasp that concept- never heard it even from my atheiest aquaintences- this must be some new concept- I mean no offense here but I have a hard time believing it in this day and age of technology that someone whould be totally clueless on such a thing!

Hi Damascus, I was as shocked as you have stated.

He actually said that only sinners need God, seeming to me he was saying I don’t sin do I don’t need God/

 

[Damascus]

Hi Damascus, I was as shocked as you have stated.

He actually said that only sinners need God, seeming to me he was saying I don’t sin do I don’t need God/

Invite him to the forum if you can littleone. Maybe he can tell us how he arrives at this conclusion and we can help him!

Once we are done with him he will get some good Catholic guilt in his bloodstream and feel like a sinner you betcha!!!

 

[littleone]

Invite him to the forum if you can littleone. Maybe he can tell us how he arrives at this conclusion and we can help him!

Once we are done with him he will get some good Catholic guilt in his bloodstream and feel like a sinner you betcha!!!

I think that set a zellous fire going in you Damascus, I have a smile a mile wide with your enthusiasim. However it is at this time that first things first, you and I and all others pray ffor a change of spirit. That the Holy spirit will convict him, to see his sins of denial, pride, faulse interpretation, lies, prejidous, …and the list goes on.
On **our **knees, and he will be put to the test to see what his heart really is made of. How about that andIwill ask the Pord to send him to us to repent, ask forgiveness, change his heart, accept Jesus as his Saviour FOR HIS SINNS.
Sound’s like a good old spiritual beating to me!!! SO!
On **our **knees, and he will be put to the test to see what his heart really is made of.

 

[Damascus]

Shure thing! Let us know if it helps. It sure cant hurt.

 

[littleone]

I believe that the Spirit of God knew that I would be sceptable to the movement of the Holy Spirit as you both have, for thi time for my friend. I believe that God allowed that to happen on purpose for myfriend to see the light some where!
Thank you all, God bless.