Refusing to be a Personal Reference

  • Thread starter Thread starter BlueEyedLady
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
B

BlueEyedLady

Guest
Hello all! I need some help navigating a tricky, but not life or death situation, with grace and tact.

About a year ago an elderly, disabled woman moved into my building. She’s the only person under 40 in my building, and it is a young, very active neighborhood with bad traffic and parking. I’ve always loved old people, so I gave her my apartment number and phone number and told her if she needed anything to just call. Since then, I’ve given her rides to doctors appointments and the grocery store a few times. She’s always been grateful.

Not long ago, she had an argument with the building manager, who happens to be an Indian man. Since then, she has taken every opportunity to corner me outside to loudly complain about “the damn foreigners”. I’ve always responded by looking uncomfortable and excusing myself. Then a few weeks ago, one of our neighbors had a break in, and this old woman called me and left a rambling and thinly veiled racist voice message. When I didn’t return her call, she knocked on my door and when I answered she stood outside in the hallway and loudly threw a fit about living in a neighborhood with so many " n******". (Yes, that n-word). At that point I told her I was busy, shut the door on her, and ignored her every time I saw her.

A few days ago she started calling me frantically. I didn’t want to deal with her so I ignored it. Then she knocked on my door. My husband and I were still in bed (and we live in a studio, so our door opens to our living room/bedroom), so we ignored her while our rottweiler went nuts. Then she started shouting for me to come outside. And then she went so far as to open my door, yell at my dog to get back, and demand I come outside! I stupidly left it unlocked after taking the dog out, but still:eek:

My husband went out and told her she would have to leave and talk to me later. She told him that she just wanted to let me know that she put me down as a reference for a volunteer job with the same organization that helped my husband out when he had cancer. No, no, no I’m not going to do it. I wouldn’t have done it before because she was insane and racist, but after shouting at me to come outside for (at least) 10 minutes and then trying to come in, I don’t ever want her near me again and I can’t in good conscience recommend that she work with sick, vulnerable people-and certainly not when the organization serves such a racially diverse area.

Now here’s the rub: I need to get rid of this lady. I’m done with her. I’ll probably see her after work tonight, and she’ll try to talk to me. I’m going to tell her that I don’t think I’m the right person to give her a recommendation and tell her that opening my door was so far beyond acceptable that I can’t have her in my life anymore.

Since this is a difficult conversation and I’m not good at confronting grandma, I wanted to run this by you guys and see if there was maybe another approach I could or should take.

Thanks!
 
Hello all! I need some help navigating a tricky, but not life or death situation, with grace and tact.

About a year ago an elderly, disabled woman moved into my building. She’s the only person under 40 in my building, and it is a young, very active neighborhood with bad traffic and parking. I’ve always loved old people, so I gave her my apartment number and phone number and told her if she needed anything to just call. Since then, I’ve given her rides to doctors appointments and the grocery store a few times. She’s always been grateful.

Not long ago, she had an argument with the building manager, who happens to be an Indian man. Since then, she has taken every opportunity to corner me outside to loudly complain about “the damn foreigners”. I’ve always responded by looking uncomfortable and excusing myself. Then a few weeks ago, one of our neighbors had a break in, and this old woman called me and left a rambling and thinly veiled racist voice message. When I didn’t return her call, she knocked on my door and when I answered she stood outside in the hallway and loudly threw a fit about living in a neighborhood with so many " n******". (Yes, that n-word). At that point I told her I was busy, shut the door on her, and ignored her every time I saw her.

A few days ago she started calling me frantically. I didn’t want to deal with her so I ignored it. Then she knocked on my door. My husband and I were still in bed (and we live in a studio, so our door opens to our living room/bedroom), so we ignored her while our rottweiler went nuts. Then she started shouting for me to come outside. And then she went so far as to open my door, yell at my dog to get back, and demand I come outside! I stupidly left it unlocked after taking the dog out, but still:eek:

My husband went out and told her she would have to leave and talk to me later. She told him that she just wanted to let me know that she put me down as a reference for a volunteer job with the same organization that helped my husband out when he had cancer. No, no, no I’m not going to do it. I wouldn’t have done it before because she was insane and racist, but after shouting at me to come outside for (at least) 10 minutes and then trying to come in, I don’t ever want her near me again and I can’t in good conscience recommend that she work with sick, vulnerable people-and certainly not when the organization serves such a racially diverse area.

Now here’s the rub: I need to get rid of this lady. I’m done with her. I’ll probably see her after work tonight, and she’ll try to talk to me. I’m going to tell her that I don’t think I’m the right person to give her a recommendation and tell her that opening my door was so far beyond acceptable that I can’t have her in my life anymore.

Since this is a difficult conversation and I’m not good at confronting grandma, I wanted to run this by you guys and see if there was maybe another approach I could or should take.

Thanks!
No. I think you’ve got it.

“I don’t think I’m the right person to give you a reference,” is how I would go. Alternately, “I think you should ask somebody that has known you longer.” If she were actually a nice, helpful, ideal older volunteer, she would have LOTS of people that know her way better than you do.

I wouldn’t mention the door thing. Anybody that doesn’t get that that’s inappropriate isn’t going to get it after having it explained.
 
She put you down as a reference without asking you. When she asks you (if she does, which she probably won’t), you can tell her, “I don’t appreciate having someone use me as a reference when they have never asked to do it.” or “I’m sorry, but you ought to find someone who knows something about you as a volunteer. I know next to nothing about your background. We have never worked together, and I would have to tell them that. They are going to find it suspicious that I’m the person you’d choose, rather than someone who has been your co-worker in the past, if not your work or volunteer supervisor.” If you get a call, tell them you have never worked with her and only know her in passing, because it is the truth. If they ask you pointedly, you can honestly say that she is usually more hard to get along with than not, but I wouldn’t volunteer that unless asked.

You don’t have to confront her to draw boundaries. Charity requires that you are polite to her when you see her and take care of those in need, even people who are not enjoyable to be around, but it doesn’t require that you give her the time of day besides that. (This is what it means to treat one of the baptized as you would “a Gentile or a tax collector.”) With someone like her, the less drama the better. Stay off of her radar. Be pleasant but utterly useless as someone she can use. I think she will start to leave you alone.
 
No. I think you’ve got it.

“I don’t think I’m the right person to give you a reference,” is how I would go. Alternately, “I think you should ask somebody that has known you longer.” If she were actually a nice, helpful, ideal older volunteer, she would have LOTS of people that know her way better than you do.

I wouldn’t mention the door thing. Anybody that doesn’t get that that’s inappropriate isn’t going to get it after having it explained.
Well I have to say something about it, because if it happens again my husband will call the police. We have a huge dog, and even though he’s very friendly, he will hurt someone who tries to walk in uninvited. It could have resulted in a very unfortunate accident.

More to the point, no one has a right to just waltz into my home, and I won’t allow it.
 
Well I have to say something about it, because if it happens again my husband will call the police. We have a huge dog, and even though he’s very friendly, he will hurt someone who tries to walk in uninvited. It could have resulted in a very unfortunate accident.

More to the point, no one has a right to just waltz into my home, and I won’t allow it.
The dog is your out. “Don’t try to open the door, Mizz Lizzie. You know how big and friendly Bruno is? I’m afraid he might jump on you before we can grab him if you open the door unexpectedly.”

But, your main solution is just keeping the door locked at all times.
 
Just as a thought, the woman may have dementia. It’s incredibly common for people with dementia to begin to make racist and otherwise horrid comments. Old ladies who wouldn’t have said another word for poop in their whole life will suddenly start spewing cuss words and the n-word. It sounds like she needs prayers and a visit to the doctor.
 
Just as a thought, the woman may have dementia. It’s incredibly common for people with dementia to begin to make racist and otherwise horrid comments. Old ladies who wouldn’t have said another word for poop in their whole life will suddenly start spewing cuss words and the n-word. It sounds like she needs prayers and a visit to the doctor.
Right.

If a concerned relative turns up, it might be worth mentioning that.
 
Hello all! I need some help navigating a tricky, but not life or death situation, with grace and tact.

About a year ago an elderly, disabled woman moved into my building. She’s the only person under 40 in my building. . . snip
???

I agree with the responders who have indicated that dementia might be involved. In any case, there should definitely be a setting and enforcement of boundaries, including keeping the door locked. Your mileage may vary on this next comment, but if it were me, I would tell her to NEVER come pounding on my door again, and if she does, I would call the police, and then advise her verbally through the locked door that the police are on the way. If you have a cellphone with a voice recorder app, set it going so that there is a recording of the entire incident.
 
2 words:

restraining order.

Sorry you’re going through this.
 
2 words:

restraining order.

Sorry you’re going through this.
Yes, but bearing in mind that a restraining order is only a piece of paper.

On the original topic, if the volunteer organization to which she gave your name as a reference contacts you, tell them that she did that without your permission, and then answer any questions with the whole truth.
 
Right.

If a concerned relative turns up, it might be worth mentioning that.
She doesn’t have kids. She shares an apartment (1 bdrm) with her brother who also doesn’t have kids. I’ve only met him once and the kind of language he used made her sound like Mother Theresa. My husband has run into him a couple of times and told me that he’s a real piece of work and I should stay away. I’m inclined to believe him. I don’t think this is a recent development.

To edit the OP: I meant the only person over 40. Good catch Dave.
 
She doesn’t have kids. She shares an apartment (1 bdrm) with her brother who also doesn’t have kids. I’ve only met him once and the kind of language he used made her sound like Mother Theresa. My husband has run into him a couple of times and told me that he’s a real piece of work and I should stay away. I’m inclined to believe him. I don’t think this is a recent development.

To edit the OP: I meant the only person over 40. Good catch Dave.
Whew! I was about to change my screen name to “Old Fossil” 😃
 
You should not only refuse to be a reference but you should shut off all contact with her immediately. You can see if you step back that this is escalating and rather quickly at that.
 
Just because someone puts you down as a reference doesn’t mean it has to be a good reference. If she’s volunteering for a volunteer position, this is critical information they should know. The reason why it’s prudent to ask someone beforehand if you can use them as a reference is to determine if it will be a good reference.
 
If you see her, be polite, but that’s it. If she starts going on about putting you down as a reference, you can let her know that you are uncomfortable with that. If she starts complaining, etc. excuse yourself with an excuse [need to feed the dog, haven’t seen your husband all day, etc.]
 
and…

Lock your door!
And perhaps get rid of the dog. Get a gun instead. 😃 Believe me, no one will barge in or intrude again if the door is answered with a barrel.

“Oh gee Mrs Jones, With all that yelling and ruckus I didn’t know what was going on out there! So when I saw my door being opened I answered in the safest way possible. Why yes, this is a Smith and Wesson. He is real friendly, he just wants to say hi…he has never shot anyone before…”😃
 
And perhaps get rid of the dog. Get a gun instead. 😃 Believe me, no one will barge in or intrude again if the door is answered with a barrel.

“Oh gee Mrs Jones, With all that yelling and ruckus I didn’t know what was going on out there! So when I saw my door being opened I answered in the safest way possible. Why yes, this is a Smith and Wesson. He is real friendly, he just wants to say hi…he has never shot anyone before…”😃
Who said it was either/or?😃

Seriously though, we have a gun. But I think pulling it on the crazy lady with a walker might be…overkill;).
 
She doesn’t have kids. She shares an apartment (1 bdrm) with her brother who also doesn’t have kids. I’ve only met him once and the kind of language he used made her sound like Mother Theresa. My husband has run into him a couple of times and told me that he’s a real piece of work and I should stay away. I’m inclined to believe him. I don’t think this is a recent development.

To edit the OP: I meant the only person over 40. Good catch Dave.
Dementia is the loss of *previously attained *mental capacity, and what you’re describing hardly describes mental capacity too low to belong to a “functioning” adult.

Having said that, I would not be surprised to find that someone with such a low social awareness has some kind of a personality disorder. If she and her brother live with each other because they can’t find anyone else to live with, that would explain why. Those do tend to have a genetic component, and mental conditions with similar unfortunate symptoms can have a strong family-of-origin component.

That is not your concern, except to say this: What you want to do when you live near someone with a personality disorder is to stay OFF of their radar. You don’t want them to see you as someone they can use, but you also don’t want them to see you as someone they want to get back at. The third option for the person with no capacity for empathy is to be one of the multitude that they do not care to bother to think about. That’s what you want to aim for.

In other words, when you turn her down as a reference, encourage her to find someone whose honest first-hand experience with her would be SO MUCH BETTER for her, since you honestly do not know her anything like that well. Answer in a way that sounds as if you are trying to help her file a successful application. Do not let on that your conscience would not allow you to tell anyone anything other than RUN! RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN THE OTHER WAY! if you had to give your honest guess at what it would be like to work with her.

Since she is volunteering, the chances are that the background check will not happen, because organizations are not be as picky as for a position where people are competing for a job. (They also don’t expect anybody is going to choose someone as a reference who will honestly admit that their applicant is a certifiable nut case, so why even call?) If called, I think I would say, “I know who she is, but I have never worked with her. She is a neighbor, and I barely know her. I do not know why she would choose me for a reference.” If they ask if you enjoy her, I would say, “I would not feel comfortable giving an answer to that.” This is one of those times you want to damn with faint praise, rather than giving an answer that might come back to haunt you if it ever gets back to her.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top