Refusing to Believe Homosexual Acts Are Wrong

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Ireaneus was proto-Catholic…the ECF’s claimed apostolic succession…so did the other sects of the time. What the proto-orthodox claimed was not unique among the sects of the time…they just happend to benefit from the fact the proto-orthodox gathered those local congregations under a larger umbrella and kept those congregations in contact with each other…something which the other sects simply didn’t do.

Also the other sects were not too keen on affirming the Roman state and become part of it’s governmental system…the proto-Catholic bishops gained a large amount of political power as well as state backed religous authority when Constantine decriminalize Christianity especially later when the proto-orthodox was deemed the “correct” version of Christianity backed by the authority of the state…plus the state had an already tried and true form of communication operated by the proto-orthodox…a great network system which the state exploited to the max.
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Now I know how Irenaeus felt when he wrote the following Bk 3 Chapter 2 vs 2-3]
 
livingwordunity said:
Have you ever read any books by Dr. Scott Hahn or Dr. Tim Gray about salvation history and/or books by Steve Ray on OT typology? These topics fascinate me, and these guys know a lot more than I do about it. I would recommend them to anyone. 🙂
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Yes, I used to read Scott Hahn and listen to his broadcasts when I was of a more “fundamentalist” brand of Friend…haven’t read too much of his work since he became Catholic…though I’ve listed to him quite a few times on Catholic radio. Same with Steve Ray…listend to Catholic radio every time he was on.

I find the topics facisnating as well…not because they are “typology” but ir serves to drive home for me how the writers of the gospels used OT stories to weave the story of Jesus into Israel’s story line and litrugical year.

Couple of the best books on the subject I’ve found are by John Spiong, “Liberating the Gospels” and “Reclaiming the Bible for a Non Religous World”. Friend John goes book by book in the OT and draws it’s parallel story used by the gospel writers to form the story of Jesus so it could be used during the Jewish liturgical year. So there’d be “Jesus story” that corresponded to the readings of the Torah and Prophets read during the litrugical year.

I’ll never look at the gospels again the same way…fantastic books. The synoptic writers of the gospels were masters at weaving those stories around Jesus…retelling OT stories and corresponding Jewish feasts with Jesus as the “new Moses”…“new Joshua”…“new Elijah”…“new Elias”. Some of the major NT characters and stories even have the same names and perform the same functions and deeds as their OT counterparts.

Great read.
 
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Yes, I used to read Scott Hahn and listen to his broadcasts when I was of a more “fundamentalist” brand of Friend…haven’t read too much of his work since he became Catholic…though I’ve listed to him quite a few times on Catholic radio. Same with Steve Ray…listend to Catholic radio every time he was on.

I find the topics facisnating as well…not because they are “typology” but ir serves to drive home for me how the writers of the gospels used OT stories to weave the story of Jesus into Israel’s story line and litrugical year.

Couple of the best books on the subject I’ve found are by John Spiong, “Liberating the Gospels” and “Reclaiming the Bible for a Non Religous World”. Friend John goes book by book in the OT and draws it’s parallel story used by the gospel writers to form the story of Jesus so it could be used during the Jewish liturgical year. So there’d be “Jesus story” that corresponded to the readings of the Torah and Prophets read during the litrugical year.

I’ll never look at the gospels again the same way…fantastic books. The synoptic writers of the gospels were masters at weaving those stories around Jesus…retelling OT stories and corresponding Jewish feasts with Jesus as the “new Moses”…“new Joshua”…“new Elijah”…“new Elias”. Some of the major NT characters and stories even have the same names and perform the same functions and deeds as their OT counterparts.

Great read.
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I want to read these books, thank you. Your last paragraph would seem to support the belief that Jesus never intended to find a new church. Is that the upshot or am i missing something.
thank you again
chan26
 
DearChan 26

I am not sure God intended to start a new church. It is my understanding that early christians fully participated in Jewish spiritual life, including attending temple with jews. They , however, believed Jesus was the Messiah promised to the chosen people (Isreal). They did meet to break bread (communion) separtely in homes. It was later that christians officially separated themselves, partly do to hostility and being unwelcome at temple and partly do to the fact they began to preach the gospel to other gentiles (non-jews) from other nation states.

Finally, I could be wrong on this but I do not think so…
 
tell your friend that Leviticus should only be read after all the other books of the Bible
 
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