Refutation of JW's 144,000 annointed

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From “Reasoning From the Scriptures” I think page 166.

“Are the 144,000 only natural Jews?
Rev. 7:4-8: “I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: ... Judah ... Reuben ... Gad ... Asher ... Naphtali ... Manasseh ... Simeon ... Levi ... Issachar ... Zebulun ... Joseph ... Benjamin.” (These cannot be the tribes of natural Israel because there never was a tribe of Joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the Levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See Numbers 1:4-16.)”
 
From “Reasoning From the Scriptures” I think page 166.

“Are the 144,000 only natural Jews?
Rev. 7:4-8: “I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: ... Judah ... Reuben ... Gad ... Asher ... Naphtali ... Manasseh ... Simeon ... Levi ... Issachar ... Zebulun ... Joseph ... Benjamin.” (These cannot be the tribes of natural Israel because there never was a tribe of Joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the Levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See Numbers 1:4-16.)”
Thanks! 👍

I didn’t get what they wanted to say. If not tribes, what then?

Btw, there are multiple theories about who the 12 tribes were i.e. what tribes composed Israel.
 
Stylite, could you send me that book somehow?

What format is it? Or is it some kind of software?
I have it on my library CD and a hardcopy. Unfortunately my secondary hardcopy is already lent out. I tried to send you some info, but your PM box is full.
 
I have it on my library CD and a hardcopy. Unfortunately my secondary hardcopy is already lent out. I tried to send you some info, but your PM box is full.
I got the message!

Thanks, I’ll see about that download. I’ll look at that.
 
I picked up a copy of “Reasoning From the Scriptures” at my local Salvation Army thrift store for fifty cents. Sometimes, you will see their books in library book sale rooms too.
 
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Except for "When you come to Bratislava, let me know (in Czech “vedet” = to know, “videt” = to see)

I’m impressed by you! 😉
Thank you, Zemi! Yes, I now recall the distinction: vedet: to know, videt, to see! Thanks again!

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Thank you, Zemi! Yes, I now recall the distinction: vedet: to know, videt, to see! Thanks again!

😉
You’re welcome anytime! 🙂

Do you have by chance an electronic form of “Reasoning from the Scriptures”? The one that JWs use…

Or anyone?

Hmm…?

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You’re welcome anytime! 🙂

Do you have by chance an electronic form of “Reasoning from the Scriptures”? The one that JWs use…

Or anyone?

Hmm…?

😉
They don’t come in electronic versions, except on the watchtower library. Try getting it on ebay. Maybe I can ask DH to get me an English version and could send to you. I cannot promise he’ll get it for me though.
 
They don’t come in electronic versions, except on the watchtower library. Try getting it on ebay. Maybe I can ask DH to get me an English version and could send to you. I cannot promise he’ll get it for me though.
Yessi, I already got one. I find it quite interesting just as I had thought it would be.
 
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