Refuting Bart Ehrman?

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We must remember that the scientific methods are empirical in nature, that is, observation of physical phenomena in order to develop theories which then have to be proven, if possible, by more observation until enough data has been collected so that we can say that the theory is no longer a theory but has been reasonably established physical and scientific law.

How does one empirically examine/observe something that is beyond the physical universe? I claim it cannot without that leap of faith we all must make. We will never in this life find physical data that proves something that is supernatural does not exist. We cannot start with a desired answer and go through all sorts of convoluted reasoning to generate questions to support any claim that the answer is legitimate.

Atheists consistently come up against the question, “where did the stuff that makes up our universe come from?” and simply say “it has always existed.” in order evade addressing the question “how did it come into being in the first place?” , because, IMHO, it would be a fatal bow to their contention that there is no supernatural “First Cause,” i. e., God whom they do not believe exists and cannot prove does not exist by any scientific methodology.

I am a cradle Catholic, a degree in mathematics and training in physics, chemistry, astronomy, and engineering so I think I can legitimately claim to have some understanding of the scientific method. Using a particular field of mathematics it can be proven a bumble bee cannot fly but we can see (and know) that it does by using empirical, observational methods. However, the proof that it can’t relies on a particular field in mathematics that does not apply in the immediate environment surrounding the bumble bee. There is another field of mathematics that does apply and can explain why indeed a bumble bee can and does fly.

In analyzing anything, we must use tools proper to the subject at hand and not resort to unsupportable claims in order to prove one’s point. This is why those of us who believe in God and the supernatural must make that leap of faith using the attendant sanctifying and actual graces that are God-given gifts to begin with.

I wasn’t in any danger of losing my faith in college but somehow I was blessed by an encounter with a priest who had a Phd in Thomistic Theology or Philosophy (based on St. Thomas Aquinas’ works). I am sure this helped me keep a proper perspective w. r. t. my scientific academic training.

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I’ve never heard of Ehrman.
Misquoting Jesus? He’s shaken up quite a few Christians, unfortunately; when they should be taking it all with a grain of salt. Ehrman is a smart guy, but his lack of faith severely taints his research and conclusions.
People like Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris actually reinforce my Faith.
Same here; Hawking too. They’re entirely out of their league when they address matters relating to God, religion, spirituality. That so many turn to them for answers regarding these things is simply a fulfillment of 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.
It is unlikely, though not impossible, that he wrote Ephesians and Colossians.

2 Thessalonians is spurious.

He could not have written I and II Timothy and Titus unless he found a way of writing them from the grave.
I take it on faith that all of Paul’s letters were written/dictated by Paul; don’t care what the evidence “suggests” to the contrary. The same applies to everything else about the Bible; we either trust it, or we don’t. Revelation was “undoubtedly” not written by the same John as the Gospel or Epistles according to some scholars today; while I know that people can write very inconsistently from one time to another. I know I have. Or maybe he had someone else write the book for him, being in old age; Paul did that. In the end, it’s still up to us to decide what we believe.
 
When I first encountered Ehrman, I was warned by my pastor that he was a very engaging writer, but that he had some strong biases. I am reminded of a man in a museum looking at the frame of a work of art and then deciding whether he liked the picture. As others have alluded, science is inductive in its logic, while theology is deductive. For one to tread on the others territory is like picking up a sledge hammer when you need a magnifying glass. It may be the best crafted tool in the world, but it is worthless if used for the wrong task.
 
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