Regarding Anglicans: Have I got this right?

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I got my problems with a lot of Anglicans, too.

But I got a few I like.

GKC
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Well I haven’t kept a tally of Anglican acquaintances but I’m sure your list is larger than mine ;)…but a simple reading of history shows the real Anglo-Catholic phenomenon to be a modern one. It certainly isn’t rooted in the Elizabethan times. I do know some folks who claim to be Anglo-Catholic and have many online acquaintances who make the same claim. I tried to straddle the truth behind the Protestantism of the Anglican Church and the Catholicism I wished it had but realized the Anglican Church is Protestant. And I say that not because they reject the papacy but because their core beliefs, their history, their reformers, their Articles, their theology, and essential beliefs are Protestant. I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. I just read it that way. And if you ask the majority of the ACNA membership if they’re Catholics, the “right” Catholics that you speak of are a pretty thin “yes” vote and have a pretty tiny voice.
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I don’t have problems with Anglicans really. God knows I’ve met some wonderful ones, I count you in that group. My old parish was tough to leave (both times!) because the people are great and most sincere. The worship is first-rate and the fellowship tough to beat. I don’t miss the fact that we had to sing all 139 verses of songs from the 1800’s but I miss a lot of other things. I miss the charm of it all. And I find Anglicanism fascinating in general. It’s an anomoly to me because it’s unlike any other denomination. And within it for the better part of 500 years the people within it make divergent and fascinating claims as to what the heck it is. I find the political compromise of it interesting and the push and pull of it equally riveting at times. Sometimes Anglicans are like a Hundai between a Toyota and a Honda and other times proud to be their own brand. They’ve produced their own heroes with completely different philosophies all claiming the same team. I always crack up with American Anglicans who say, “we are Catholics!” when they stem from the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States of America 🙂 All the contradictions and yet beauty as well as sincerity within the Anglican ethos can be charming. Despite my feelings about Anglo-Catholicism vs. the Protestant element I really like Pusey and Wilberforce, and obviously Newman and many others. I think the Branch theory went up in smoke–even Newman knew it (awkward syntax there lol). The fact that his ideas in Tract 90 about the 39 Articles were ill-received and later revoked by Newman himself showed the movement a loss. So, my reading of history leads me away from Anglicanism, like it did for ole Newman. But I still find it fascinating and I guess the gossiper in me finds the soap opera of realignment really bizarre and always an adventure to read about!
GKC said:
I got my problems with a lot of Anglicans, too.

But I got a few I like.

GKC
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Yeah, me, too. I sure liked “Dune” and Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451 was sure great. Lord of the Rings was tops. Wait a minute…off topic alert! 😛
GKC said:
Sometimes I get to talk about books.

GKC
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Masters_Servant said:
You have a good point highlighted above. I have been here a short while and this place is fascinating to say the least. Is FR a “Friar” and if so, can you tell me what that means in laymen terms; I am ignorant on this. If it offends anyone because of the topic, then it can wait. thanks.
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Thank you for the compliment first of all.
Second. “Fr”. is the abbreviation for “Father.” Fra." would be the abbreviation for “Friar.” I use the abbreviation “Fr.” as I am a priest and people tend to call me “father.”

There is technically a difference between a friar and a monk. A monk lives in a cloister shut away from the world while a friar takes the same vows of poverty chastity and obedience but works in the community amongst the people. Monks are also usually a self sufficient community unto themselves while friars depend on the charitable donations of the people to support them. Franciscans are probably the most commonly known friars next to the Dominicans, next to them you have the Carmelites and Augustinians. The oldest of these orders is the Franciscans being formed in the year 1209.

BTW I am not offended in the least by your comment. If you do not ask you cannot know the answer.
God Bless you.
Fr. John
 
Actually he seemed VERY cool. My buddy and I went over to talk to him but he was talking with this annoying dude who would NOT go away and we finally gave up! lol…

Jim, are you a Braveheart fan? I loved that flick. I’m a Newhart fan, too, and just busted a gut when I saw this:

youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6yP5cPqSE

What the heck, this thread has run its course, what a great way to end it! It has a British tone to it after all!
GKC said:
I thought he was kinda nice, in person.

GKC
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I used to work with an Orthodox Serb, priest, who during the last world war, had his family murdered by what he called ,'The Ustashi, if that is how they spell the word?. Croats, they were however Roman Catholics. Why should I feel desperate? I live and worship in a traditional Catholic environment amongst traditional Catholics who have a history of two thousand years behind them as a Church.There has been a Church building here since about 1000 AD.Certainly we have problems, but,only on this board is the Roman Church free of them and like the North African we might suffer for our sins.
Never-the-less, we have Christ’s promise that Right will prevail!
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Seeing as how much of the 39 Articles were highly protestant, even Calvinistic with a touch of occasional Lutheranism, it’s tough to view them through the prism of the Seven Councils that were very catholic in character and by no means protestant.
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**Snatch, snatch!
In his book on Trent,Kidd, tells us, as does Brissac, [Paris, 1900]
that a third of the votes cast, at the first vote , were in favour of Lutheran ideas or position.

The Anglicans had other ways to control, the wild men, they could have taken note of the Massacre of S.Batholomew, in Paris and its environs! They could have had the burnings and lynchings practised in southern france. They didn’t though they followed the Doctrine of the Cross.The 39 Articles, were to my mind an improvement to Roman methods. Not as thorough, I grant you,not as satisfying, but as some one else said,‘It has more of Christ about it’!
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I am indeed a Braveheart fan, and a collector of pipe music. And I loved Newhart, greatest finale to a series, ever. I had never seen this, which I enjoyed.

I bet the thread revives.

GKC
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Actually he seemed VERY cool. My buddy and I went over to talk to him but he was talking with this annoying dude who would NOT go away and we finally gave up! lol…

Jim, are you a Braveheart fan? I loved that flick. I’m a Newhart fan, too, and just busted a gut when I saw this:

youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6yP5cPqSE

What the heck, this thread has run its course, what a great way to end it! It has a British tone to it after all!
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Padrej said:
Once again I agree with you. The Anglicans of Luckfredsdad’s ilk like to point to the Oxford movement and say how Catholic the Anglican Church became with Laud, Hooker and the like

Padrej,
Just when have I pointed to the Oxford Movement? When have I ever said,’ how Catholic the Anglican Church became with Laud, Hooker and the like’? The Anglican Church, has its genesis in Early Britain and it has continuity every bit as steady as Rome’s. For your information,[again,] I am not nor have I ever been an Anglo Catholic.
Initially, the Oxford Movement was ,in some ways, a result of the return of the Non Jurors, to the schismatic body! The weakness of the Anglo Cath’s was that they prefered to ape the medievalism of 16/17th Century Rome instead of following ancient customs.The result is we they have an effete stance on Theology and tradition, akin to the Ultramontanes of the 19th Cent Rome.
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luckyfredsdad said:
Padrej;6141983:
Once again I agree with you. The Anglicans of Luckfredsdad’s ilk like to point to the Oxford movement and say how Catholic the Anglican Church became with Laud, Hooker and the like

Padrej,
Just when have I pointed to the Oxford Movement? When have I ever said,’ how Catholic the Anglican Church became with Laud, Hooker and the like’? The Anglican Church, has its genesis in Early Britain and it has continuity every bit as steady as Rome’s. For your information,[again,] I am not nor have I ever been an Anglo Catholic.
Initially, the Oxford Movement was ,in some ways, a result of the return of the Non Jurors, to the schismatic body! The weakness of the Anglo Cath’s was that they prefered to ape the medievalism of 16/17th Century Rome instead of following ancient customs.The result is we they have an effete stance on Theology and tradition, akin to the Ultramontanes of the 19th Cent Rome.
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I never said you did. look carefully at the comment, it said of your ilk.
as to the term “Anglo” Catholic versus Anglican Catholic that you have yourself listed as, “Anglo” has always been an accepted word for Anglican. If that offends you accept my apology.
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Padrej said:
luckyfredsdad;6144056:
I never said you did. look carefully at the comment, it said of your ilk.
as to the term “Anglo” Catholic versus Anglican Catholic that you have yourself listed as, “Anglo” has always been an accepted word for Anglican. If that offends you accept my apology.
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In my mind you are getting like some of these people who play word games! It’s unworthy of you.Since the late 19th, early 20th, Cent, the Anglo Catholics have been a completely disruptive force , at least in the UK.] within Anglicanism, preferring continental ways rather than the old traditional measures. To my mind they are better off within Rome than peering in from the outside.
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luckyfredsdad said:
One shepherd who didn’t mind leaving his sheep!
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I guess tribalism is more important than Gospel or conscience, huh? :rolleyes:

Very classy of you talking about a man who recently died and, I might add, was well respected by Catholics and Anglicans alike. You must be a thrill at funerals and wakes.
 
Mocking the recently-deceased is always classy, isn’t it? :rolleyes:
chris_molter said:
I guess tribalism is more important than Gospel or conscience, huh? :rolleyes:

Very classy of you talking about a man who recently died and, I might add, was well respected by Catholics and Anglicans alike. You must be a thrill at funerals and wakes.
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